+ 5 First Ever Cycle
Planning out my first cycle, and my research tells me that all good cycles start with a good plan. If you see something that does not look right, please chime in.
Stats: 45 years, 5-11, 177lbs about 14% BF. lifting for two years with a solid routine and diet. I am somewhat of a hard gainer, losing weight comes real easy.
I plan on running the basic test e cycle, 500mg a week for 12 weeks. I decided to go with aromasin as my AI, and will use clomid and nolva for PCT. Will do 2 test injections per week.
I have pre cycle blood work scheduled for next week, getting the female hormone panel from the online blood test company. will do another around week 6 or 7 and again a few weeks after PCT.
I plan on doing a 4 days per week upper lower split, keeping the reps around 8 to 15. Hope to avoid tendon injury by keeping the reps up. Workouts should last about an hour and 15, pretty much sticking with my usual workout program. ( generic bulk routine)
My Kcal for maintenance level is about 2800, plan on eating around 3500 during cycle. will adjust as needed for blubber control.
I've purchased 20gauge needle/syringe combo for pulling the oil and have 23gauge 1" for pushing it out.
plan on hitting quads first, then switch to glutes. not sure where I'll pin after that.
I'm counting on the advice from the guys here at eroids for pretty much every aspect of this cycle. I have no friends that have done this before.
| Week | Testosterone Enanthate | aromasin | Nolvadex | clomid | Torem |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 500mg | ||||
| 2 | 500mg | ||||
| 3 | 500mg | 6.25mg | |||
| 4 | 500mg | 6.25mg eod | |||
| 5 | 500mg | 6.25mg eod | |||
| 6 | 500mg | 6.25mg etd | |||
| 7 | 500mg | 6.25mg eod | |||
| 8 | 500mg | 6.25mg etd | |||
| 9 | 500mg | 6.25mg etd | |||
| 10 | 500mg | 6.25mg etd | |||
| 11 | 500mg | 6.25mg etd | |||
| 12 | 500mg | 6.25mg etd | |||
| 13 | 6.25mg etd | ||||
| 14 | 6.25mg etd | ||||
| 15 | 6.25mg eod | 20mg ed | 50mg ed | 60mg ed | |
| 16 | 6.25mg eod | 20mg ed | 50mg ed | 60mg ed | |
| 17 | 4mg eod | 10mg ed | 25 mg ed | 45mg ed | |
| 10mg ed | 25mg ed | 30mg ed |
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Am new to this so don't know how to do that. Why PM? Anyways I keep getting bad karma so can you tell me how to obtain good ones?
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/forum-rules/the-rules
Im not sure if its ok to talk about sources in a cycle log, but I generally don't talk about a source anywhere except on the sources discussion page or in PM with someone. Its just the rules bro. And my guess is you are getting karma points knocked off for breaking rules so my advice is go read the rules section in the forum, and when you post, be polite, don't ask questions that you haven't already tried to find the answer to using the search feature (magnifying glass by the sources dropdown tab on top) and generally karma is given for leaving someone good advice. That being said, don't just copy and paste what someone else has said and expect to get karma from it: Ive been on here for a year and only just started giving advice a couple weeks ago because I felt that finally after hundreds of hours of research, I knew enough to give basic advice.
Yea, I've seen a few people mention their source in their cycle logs. I'm going to error to the side of caution and not mention my source here, unless a Mod tells me otherwise. I am very happy with the source I chose based simply on his communication, fast shipping, and gear that doesn't leave me hurting. I can't speak for the quality of the test e I'm taking just yet, it's only been 4 days. I did my second pin today, and jumped right into a 7 minute HIT cardio blast after. This pin is less noticeable than the one from 4 days ago. I pinned the side of my thigh, like all the folks here suggest. Gonna do glutes next week.
PM me for my sources name.
Cheers mate, I appreciate your feedback and advice. Any chance you can PM me so i can ask you some questions please?
FR sent, and ask away. You will need to go to your profile and it should have a banner across the top saying Ive sent your a friend request. Approve that and then go to my profile and send a private message located under my photo on the left hand side
I did it!, pushed the plunger on my first ever pin this AM. It went fairly smooth, but not w/o some screw up.
I started the whole operation nervous as shit, but tried to keep my shit together.
So I pull the little cap of of the 10ml vial, but for some reason I get the idea I need to expose the whole rubber top. Back when I was injecting insulin in my dog I remember seeing a larger area on the top of the vial. So i ended up pulling most of the metal cap off, enough where the rubber stopper for the vial came loose. It is still in there, but held in place by gravity now. I'm planning on ordering an empty vial to transfer this one into. I did order enough extra gear that I can toss the bottle if I need to, but I did use it today and all is good.
The Pain..... So far there is none!!!! just a little discomfort. I couldn't even feel the needle sliding in, and the injection part didn't hurt either.
I'm still suffering from PIA, post injection anxiety! It was one of the scariest things I've done in decades. It reminded me of dropping acid for the first time, or doing my first big cliff jump at the lake. Taking that leap of faith and hoping you enjoy the ride.
Good man. I am feared of injections. I know orals are harsher but your read was interesting
Good deal man. I had some shifty gear from an overseas lab a while back where the stoppers would come out when I pulled the cap off cuz it wasn't crimped properly but as long as you didn't touch anything that goes on the inside of the vial, the sterility should be intact though a transfer to another vial is a good idea.
Last Monday I got a little sloppy with form and pulled something in my back while doing deadlifts. I was halfway up with 310lbs and felt a little something give in my lower back, it felt like ripping off a bandaid if you know what I mean.
It scared the crap out of me, I've never felt that tearing sensation before. I broke out in a cold sweat, wondering if I just wrecked my back for life... "did I just blow out a disc?"
I treated with some ice packs and advil, and fortunately didn't experience too much pain. It's five days later now, and I feel pretty good. The pain is just in the tail bone area, and only gets worse when I tighten up the posterior chain by raising my toes. I'm still able to squat down and touch my toes without pain, so I think my discs are all good.
This was another wakeup call on the importance of perfect form! I will probably have to go real light on DL's and squats for a while. I plan to do one leg leg press, led extensions and lying leg curls to keep legs strong while my back heals.
I had planned to do my first pin right after getting my blood draw, but I might be waiting a few more days so I can start the cycle being able to lift some good weights.
Got my bloodwork done yesterday. I went into the clinic with the intention of watching the phlebotomist put the needle in me, but turned away at the last second. I imagine after a 12 week cycle I should be a little less of a needle phobe.
The Private MD lab contractor I went to was small, clean and friendly. There was one worker there doing everything, she checked me in and then drew the blood. I was the only customer at the time.
I placed my order for gear and syringes on Thursday and they both showed up today. I have bloods scheduled for friday afternoon, Hope to be doing my first ever pin on Friday night. I'm not sure what to expect from the whole pinning experience. I had a dog with diabetes, so I have drawn blood and done sub q injections before, but never on myself. I usually look away when I'm getting poked by a nurse, or random person at the health fair.
I hope I'm not the dude that will pass out before the plunger bottoms out, but I'll be seated for the first go just in case.
This looks good man. Are you familiar with technique for IM injection? It differs slightly from the Sub Q injections you give your dog. And as far as injection site rotation goes, if you are only injecting 2 times a week, bilateral quads and glutes gives you 4 different sites which is plenty for such a low injection volume.
Using a 22 or 23 gauge needle for injection just feels like a tiny pinch. You should be seated for quad injections anyway so the muscle is relaxed. You will do just fine as long as you quickly and confidently insert the needle in one fluid motion. Is doesn't hurt so don't hesitate. Before injecting, remove all the air bubbles from the syringe and push the plunger enough so a drop or two of oil comes out of the needle (this is also good lube for when pushing the needle into the skin). When injecting, push the needle nearly all the way in, up to the hub (the plastic thing the needle anchors in) and hold the barrel steady with one hand while drawing back on the plunger (aspiration). When you pull back on the plunger, you should see little bubbles from suction appear in the syringe which will disappear when you release the plunger. If you draw back and get any blood, pull the needle out and move to a different site because it means you are in a vein. After aspirating, continue to hold the barrel steady with one hand while slowly pushing the plunger with the other: it should take anywhere from 15 to 30 seconds and you will be able to feel if you are injecting too fast. When done, pause for a few seconds to allow the oil to disperse in the muscle and then swiftly withdraw the needle and put pressure on the injection site with your alcohol swab for a few seconds to stem the bleeding and prevent any oil from escaping.
Thanks for the info. I'm still a little apprehensive about the pinning in general. Read too many posts about infections, hitting veins, PIP, and passing out!
You should be fine man. I hated that shit at first and had to get a few drinks in me but I do it daily now and it's all good. PIP most likely won't happen with what you're running and it doesn't kick in til the next day anyway. Infections are usually people not using proper sterile technique, very rarely is it dirty gear if you got it from a source on here. Hitting veins doesn't hurt, you just don't wanna inject in one cuz the oil can cause microembolisms in lungs and brain. And people pass out cuz they get nervous and forget to breath lol
For your pin sites.. I like to run 6 sites even with only pinning 2 days out of the week.. I hit quads glutes and delts... the glutes are a breeze!! sometimes I think I accidentally hit it subq because I dont feel anything! Delts are pretty simple as well, my quads make me a little nervous, I guess its because I am sitting and I feel it more.. Good luck on your cycle, layout looks very good.. you are really going to enjoy it, my recovery time on test is unreal, it takes twice as much work to even get me sore!!
Looks like a pretty solid first cycle. Very glad you are being wise and sticking with a simple, yet quality cycle for your first go around.
My only suggestion is your AI dose. It may be too often and possibly too high for being on 500 mg of test. This is a good starting point, but I would possibly recommend EOD at 6.25. You can always increase if you need or even decrease. Be very aware of low estro sides (as well as high) and adjust from there. Everyone is different when it comes to their estrogen conversion, so keep an eye on it and adjust accordingly. Best of luck!
This was very helpful advice!
Great, thanks for the suggestion. I will start with every other day, and adjust as needed. I'll read up on signs of hi/lo estro as well.
Very good advice! This is often the case with aromasin you can't always run a set dose +2
looks good to me.. Side effects should be low to nonexistent with this cycle!
my recommendation is to extend the aromasin all the way through PCT. clomid and nolv don't lower your estrogen, they block its effect on your body. since estrogen is extremely suppressive, you need to make sure you keep your levels in check. now this may just be me also, but i start my PCT later than two weeks since you will undoubtedly have endogenous levels of test circulating in your body after two weeks since your last injection. I waited I think a little over three weeks before I started mine at the same dose youre running, but I'm not an endo, just another bro.
Thanks, I've adjusted my table. Would hate to have estro problems while trying to PCT