First advanced cycle ( please critique! )
5'11, 198 lbs. roughly 12% BF
I'd like to end up at a clean 205-208 with no higher than 10-11% at the end, this will be a lean bulk all the way. I have zero desire to push below 10% BF lol. I believe this will be my 5th legitimate cycle ( did a few PH cycles when I didn't know any better ). I hate to admit how fast I got on the tren train but it is what it is, this will be my 3rd time running it, first time stacking. I'm looking to finally push into a category of my own with this run ;)
I'm certainly no guru and welcome all criticism - encourage it actually. Currently still loading up on support supps for a few weeks before starting. The only AAS that has ever raised my BP to any real extent has been tren, hence the low dose here and shorter duration. I'll be keeping a close eye BP and diet will be very clean & consistent ( 7-8 meals day NO processed/high sodium foods - ever! )
I know the general consensus here would probably be to donate blood, but I really don't want to donate dirty hormone filled blood.... Is this really a necessity?
Also is 200/week high enough on the mast or should I consider bumping to 400? I won't be lean enough for it to make any real difference visibility, just using it to maximize the cycle and dry out the nips. I only have one experience with mast and it was 400/week, didn't do shit for strength or size but definitely dried me out a little.
Support supps ( additions welcome ) -
Hawthorne extract
Celery seed extract
Grape seed extract
Saw Palmetto
Garlic extract
Liv 52
Milk thistle
Fish oil ( 10g/daily )
Multi V
I'm TRT so no PCT. Aromasin and caber as needed. Thanks in advance ebros
Week | Test E | EQ | Tren E |
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1 | 500mg | 1000mg | 400mg |
2 | 500mg | 1000mg | 400mg |
3 | 500mg | 1000mg | 400mg |
4 | 500mg | 600mg | 400mg |
5 | 500mg | 600mg | 400mg |
6 | 500mg | 600mg | 400mg |
7 | 500mg | 600mg | 400mg |
8 | 500mg | 600mg | 400mg |
9 | 500mg | 600mg | 400mg |
10 | 500mg | 600mg | 400mg |
11 | 500mg | 600mg | 400mg |
12 | 500mg | 600mg | 400mg |
13 | 500mg | 600mg | 400mg |
14 | 500mg | 600mg | 400mg |
15 | 500mg | 600mg | 400mg |
16 | 500mg | 600mg | 400mg |
17 | 500mg | 600mg | |
18 | 500mg | 600mg | |
19 | 500mg | 600mg | |
20 | 500mg | 600mg |
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I see a few things I would tweak .. forgive me if someone has already mentioned them .. change the ratio on the test to tren .. pick one high one low.. the difference being sides... some people like to run the test high and tren low and I have seen it run the opposite but pick one that works best for you ... You will definitely see less side effects and the cycle will run smoother for you .... mast as an ai .. it is weak at best.. and there are other compounds that will work better.. run the mast when you are working on leaning yourself out ..
pft donate the blood it isn't dirty ....
AnonThanks Mom <3
I get nasty tren sides if I run it higher than test, at 1:1 it's tolerable but that's it. More test than that I feel better mentally and sleep better sweat at night less etc..... but also the more test I use the less I seem to "feel" the tren in every positive way as well. I'll probably just save the cash and not run mast I'll be taking aromasin the whole time anyways. I think I'll just go ahead and run test/tren where I have previously with good success so the single variable here is the EQ, since EQ is a brand new compound for me.
"the blood isn't dirty" - lol'd
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PermalinkWhy would you donate blood ? To lower bp!?
safetyfirst21Yes.
AnonEQ has been known to increase RBC production, just ridding of some of the excess.
Increase of RBC = thicker blood, higher BP, and increase risks of clots
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I would tend to agree with XVBeast and whats been written there. Also i would say looking at the cycle i personally don't see a lot wrong with it.
At the end of the day bro all i would say is take the logical advice being given but also try and pave your own way with your own cycles and what works best with you.
I have always been one for trying different things and what i thought worked best for my body. So go for it bro and keep weekly notes or a diary on your cycle and your diet as this always helped me when i was reflecting back on my cycle and looking at ways to tweek it.
Personally i would run the tren longer but thats just me
Good Luck
AnonI'll have enough tren for the entire 20 weeks, whether or not I run it 12, 16, or even 20 will depend on how I feel and bloodwork. I ran tren for 16 weeks before (at 500/week) and by the end had some toxicity problems, nothing terrible but I don't like feeling anything but healthy. But my diet wasn't clean at all ( dirty bulk - never again ), BF % was higher, and I didn't do any cardio. I may be able to go all the way with zero issues this time with the clean diet and cardio we'll see.
That's a good point I definitely need to keep a weekly log of my diet I've only logged dosages previously. I think I'll just run the mast the 2nd half of cycle as a test to see if it even does anything for me like I know proviron would.
safetyfirst21This has helped me in the past. Write down every single calorie you consume. I would even write down gum, but I was cutting.
By the sounds of it you already know your personal tren limits, so i wouldn't push past that.
With regards to diet, this is the go to source = http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/wanna-get-ripped-read-this
You raise a valid point about proviron, follow your gut on that one.........
I like this my last cycle was similar i did 600 eq 500 tren 300 test got a lot bigger and went down 6% bdf im glad your not getting flamed i posted this cycle last year and i got jumped on my karma went down -12 and it was like a sin to talk about tren im glad now we can all get along...
by the way keep the tren in check and you'll have fun
AnonDefinitely won't be going higher with the tren, especially considering the EQ is new for me and I don't know how exactly I'll react BP wise. We're all different I know I couldn't handle 500/week tren with the rest of this gear personally. My BP would spike without a doubt. Glad it went well for you though
i would choose between the eq and the masteron, not both. too much dht activity there. personally, i'd go with the EQ over the masteron for this one. masteron and tren paired work great as a cutting stack. the eq can help keep you lean, if you eat right, and your test dose is just right for adding a lil mass but not full blown bulk.
why only 12 weeks on the tren?
AnonOriginally had the mast at weeks 11-20 @ only 200mg, the idea in theory was just to free up SHBG and maxmize the tail end up the cycle being a longer one. I avoid taking oral anything whenever possible figured I could inject my proviron. Still not sure what I'm doing with the mast, if anything at all. I don't care about the hardening effects of mast on this one, won't be lean enough, just trying to maximize gains.
Whether or not the tren will stay for 12 or 16 weeks will depend on bloodwork it's the only injectable to ever seriously throw anything off but granted that was at much higher dosages. I've just assumed my BP will be up from all this, if it's not ( significantly ) and everything looks good I'll run tren for longer.
Masteron and proviron are very similar but not equal. Also, proviron is not a 17aa compound, so liver toxicity isn't an issue there. IMO adding masteron simply for lowering SHBG isn't a wise choice. There are other ways to get that effect. For instance, aromasin does the same thing, and proviron can be taken for prolonged periods.
front load w/ the eq for the first 3 week at around 1000mg and then bring back down, increase the masteron E to atleast 350mg and run it all the way through w/ the tren.. i would take out the tren and raise the test to 750mg or keep the tren and lower the test to 200mg..or raise the tren to 500mg and lower the test to trt doses..
or
u can keep the cycle how it is right now and raise ur masteron doses and run the masteron w/ the tren.. if u know that u dont get sides from the test being high.. personally i have tried it both way w/ the tren to test ratio.. i do experience sides w/ the test being higher then tren.
AnonThanks I appreciate the feedback. Did you mean run the mast the entire cycle or just 1-12?
Personally if my tren is much higher than test I get HORRIBLE sides. I find a 1:1 to be comfortable. Won't dare run test any lower than tren.
I like the idea of lower test especially since I have to eat AI's like damn candy but I'd feel like garbage at anything near TRT levels 350 is lowest I'll go. I know higher tren would make for a more productive run but I really want to get a feel for the EQ this being my first time with it
Think I should stick to 600 on the EQ or go ahead with 800 since I'm not increasing tren? I'm not seeing any real danger here besides the possibility of overdosed gear from doing 800 vs. 600 correct me if I'm wrong
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PermalinkStevebI would listen to XvBeast
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StevebHow old are you?
I don't seem to get good results from EQ til I run it a 1000mg. At 600 it took forever to kick in and the results were not all that. At 1000 it kicked in quickly and I did a lot more for me.
Anon24, admittedly a little young but I'm already here. I forgot to mention, I've never ran EQ before. Until I know how I react to it & see how my bloods come back I won't dare push past 600
If everything is going exceptionally well I may extend the tren to 16 weeks, but won't increase the EQ
StevebI feel EQ is the safest injectable you can use. Just check your blood pressure and make sure it doesn't go too high. You could bump up the EQ and Tren and lower the Test