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Dbol/Test/Deca---Bulk

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STATS, DESCRIPTION, GOALS

Stats: 6'0" 190lbs 10%< bf

My goal is to break 210-215lbs. Complete a successful PCT.

Putting it up for a visual for myself, and also open to critique. Tried to iron out all issues before posting my log.

Blood tests:
Pre-cycle
7-8 weeks in
6 weeks after PCT

Beginning the cycle after I receive my first round of blood test results.

I will be tapering my Pramipexole, and Exemestane as needed to combat sides. And using Liv. 52 liver support.

WeekTestosterone EnanthateNandrolone DecanoateMethandrostenolonePramipexoleExemestane ClomipheneToremifenehCG
1750mg500mg25mg/d.125mg/d
2750mg500mg25mg/d.25mg/d
3750mg500mg25mg/d.5mg/d3mg/d
4750mg500mg25mg/d.5mg/d6mg/d
5750mg500mg25mg/d.5mg/d6mg/d
6750mg500mg25mg/d.5mg/d6mg/d
7750mg500mg.5mg/d6mg/d
8750mg500mg.5mg/d6mg/d
9750mg500mg.5mg/d6mg/d
10750mg500mg.5mg/d6mg/d
11750mg500mg.5mg/d6mg/d500IU
12750mg500mg.5mg/d6mg/d500IU
13750mg500mg.5mg/d6mg/d500IU
14750mg.5mg/d6mg/d500IU
15750mg.5mg/d6mg/d500IU
16---.5mg/d6mg/d--500IU
17---.5mg/d6mg/d--
18.5mg/d6mg/d100mg/d120mg/d
19.5mg/d6mg/d100mg/d90mg/d
20.5mg/d6mg/d50mg/d60mg/d
213mg/d50mg/d60mg/d
223mg/d50mg/d30mg/d
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Eccentric's picture

I updated it to reflect the changes I've decided to make in PCT. Adding hCG, and reducing the PCT by 1 week. I will be tapering my Pramipexole, and Exemestane as needed to combat sides.

boldone's picture

Start the HCG a week earlier to allow some time between last HCG pin and PCT. HCG will lessen LH production, which is started again by PCT. You could also blast it at the tail end of the cycle instead, 250-1,000iu per day for a period of time, dependent on dose.

boldone's picture

With the half life it should be spread out quite a bit. The zombie part I knew, it'll put you in the dirt if you dose too high. I wasn't aware of the impulse control side. I looked into it for confirmation, not that I needed to, Badger knows his shit. I've started dosing low twice a day.

Eccentric's picture

I have never used an anti prolactin drug, but I will deff adjust the dose as needed as I progress!

MedDx's picture

On the Prami, make sure you begin titrating the .25-.50mg through the week, especially from low qd (every day) to moderate dose qod (every other day) to one time per week, or what you need to combat the increase of prolactin.

Eccentric's picture

Haha thanks for the heads up!

Muffins's picture

I blame the purchase of my BMW on steroids. Then I went and picked up a Volkswagen six months later. I could be banking in my 401K, instead I have these unnecessary cars.

Eccentric's picture

Well, I'm doing all the work for you then! So much research, and input for very intelligent guys has gone into this thing. Looking forward to some big gains, and actually keeping them this time! I still need to finish editing it as I have decided to add hCG to the last 6 weeks of the cycle, and reduce my PCT to 5 weeks instead of 6 since I'm adding the hCG.

Muffins's picture

Good cycle. Liver supports in order? Six weeks of dbol and you'll need them.

Eccentric's picture

I had so many many rows and columns that I didn't put it, but yes liver support for sure! And I didn't have to put a fake name, and sign my soul away to the devil to get that particular drug!

Thanks for the support on the cycle. I did as much research as possible on this one and talke to very high ranking members about everything. Couldn't be more appreciative about the help I've recieved.

sarmanti's picture

What are you using for the liver support, mate?

Eccentric's picture

Liv52 sir.

MedDx's picture

I think I read he has Liv52, which would be a good medication to utilize, whitepower...

boldone's picture

You feel you need that long of a PCT? Have you considered HCG during cycle? You'll need about another week of time off before PCT. Be sure to taper up to that Prami dose, if you don't, you'll know why you should. You cycle before?

purejuiced's picture

11 days is the active half life for test e. Which is completely different.

boldone's picture

You're accurate in the life of the compound, but with this high of a dose it will take longer to clear out. 2 weeks is the standard waiting time for a 500mg run. More Test, more build up, more build up, more time needed for clearance.

boldone's picture

Common sense dictates that one. You can also punch the numbers into a compound calculator to get a better idea: http://pct.befit4free.net/index.php
I've used a couple calculators and can tell you none are 100%, half-lives vary from body to body, but this gives you an idea of how long it takes the body to clear various doses of compounds. Type in 1 drug used, Test E, 105 days (cycle length), 375mg (initial dose), click the button next to Every, type in 3.5(days), calculate. I don't agree with their PCT start time, its a little late for me. I go by an article I read some time ago posted by an anonymous pro, and no, not the recent "Who Am I?" There was nothing mentioned in there about levels anyway, I just wanted to clear that up. The other "anonymous" went into waiting for blood levels, based on mg and half-life of the compounds and not blood serum levels, to drop around 200mg. Slightly above is ok, depending on what ester you're dealing with, as is slightly under. If you have too much exogenous "anything" in your system, the body will, essentially, ignore your PCT regiment and not start reproduction. Your exo levels are too high and the body still see's its own production unnecessary. A simple metaphor/example to compare it to would be something like; take a 0.5 liter water bottle, drill an 1/8" hole in the top, tip it and allow it to drain itself. Lets say it takes 7 seconds (I made that number up, this is a hypothetical analogy, you can perform the process if you want, the time will be different I'm sure, but the results will match this comparison). Now take a 0.75 liter water bottle and perform the same process. Stop the bottle from draining at the 7 second mark, or whatever the time to drain the first actually is. Look at the bottle. How much water is left? Same clearance time/half-life (same size hole for the water in the bottles to drain from, same densities), same amount of time given to clear (drain from bottle), one has cleared (smaller bottle is empty) and the other has some remainder (water still in bottle).

Eccentric's picture

What would you suggest?

boldone's picture

3 weeks +/- a day

Eccentric's picture

What do you recommend then??

boldone's picture

I'd keep the Prami from the beginning, he won't really need it working until later on, but it gives him time to taper up to his needed dose. Starting off at 0.5mg will flatten him out. try 1/4-1/2 that and ease up to whats needed to avoid the negative sides of a hefty dose. Arom/Exem: 6.25/6.25/3.125/3.125, Clomid: 100/100/50/50, Nolva: 20/20/10/10 will be a good PCT, HCG would really help out here, if not during cycle, at least as a blast at the end.

FOOLMEONCE: Get your bloods at 6 weeks instead of around 3. I've sat down with a pharmacist I knew and discussed "hypothetically" (of course) what kind of a clearance I was looking at for Clomid and Nolva for dope testing. Clomid is around 3-5 weeks and Nolva around 4-6 for detection, I may have those mixed up, but, none the less, you'll still have SERMs in your system that will make the blood test partially inaccurate, due to the fact that they're still affecting your endo system.

Eccentric's picture

I don't have any HCG, didn't really get a lot of posative feedback on it when I made my PCT inquiry. 2 weeks 4 days after last injection is when my PCT starts. This will be my 3rd cycle.

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