Winter Bulker
5' 9"
190 lbs
37 yrs old
BF 10%
Looking to gain 10 loyal pounds. The plan is to run this cycle for 18 weeks. I'm trt so no PCT. AI and prolactin control are always as needed. I may let my estro run a little wild during this cycle to help with strength and gains. Also will be donating blood on Sept. 9. Planning to start this cycle mid-late October. Until then I'm cruising on 250mg/wk Test E.
I think we all know what Sust and Deca can do alone with proper diet. I'm really excited to see how my body responds to running Adrol and Tbol back to back. Hoping the Tbol will help sustain some of what the Abombs add. Orals will be split into am/pm doses. Oils will be pinned between 7pm and bed time.
Most cycles I run are really unconventional. Thinking outside the box is sometimes slammed in this section, which is why this is the first time I've posted here. But, I'm open to feedback, positive or negative.
Thanks
| Week | Sust 250 | NPP 100 | Deca 300 | Adrol 25 | Test E 250 | Caber/Adex/Letro |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 250 mg EOD | 100 mg EOD | 300 mg E3D | 50mg ED | 250mg Friday | As Needed |
| 2 | 250 mg EOD | 100 mg EOD | 300 mg E3D | 50mg ED | 250mg Friday | As Needed |
| 3 | 250 mg EOD | 100 mg EOD | 300 mg E3D | 250mg Friday | As Needed | |
| 4 | 250 mg EOD | 300 mg E3D | 250mg Friday | As Needed | ||
| 5 | 250 mg EOD | 300 mg E3D | 50mg ED | 250mg Friday | As Needed | |
| 6 | 250 mg EOD | 300 mg E3D | 50mg ED | 250mg Friday | As Needed | |
| 7 | 250 mg EOD | 300 mg E3D | 250mg Friday | As Needed | ||
| 8 | 250 mg EOD | 300 mg E3D | 250mg Friday | As Needed | ||
| 9 | 250 mg EOD | 300 mg E3D | 50mg ED | 250mg Friday | As Needed | |
| 10 | 250 mg EOD | 300 mg E3D | 50mg ED | 250mg Friday | As Needed | |
| 11 | 250 mg EOD | 300 mg E3D | 250mg Friday | As Needed | ||
| 12 | 250 mg EOD | 300 mg E3D | 250mg Friday | As Needed | ||
| 13 | 250 mg EOD | 300 mg E3D | 50mg ED | 250mg Friday | As Needed | |
| 14 | 250 mg EOD | 300 mg E3D | 50mg ED | 250mg Friday | As Needed | |
| 15 | 250 mg EOD | 300 mg E3D | 250mg Friday | As Needed | ||
| 16 | 250 mg EOD | 300 mg E3D | 250mg Friday | As Needed | ||
| 17 | 250 mg EOD | 300 mg E3D | 50mg ED | 250mg Friday | As Needed |
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Updated the cycle layout to reflect changes discussed below and added a link to progress and experience thus far.
I've never been good at the eod pin schedule. For longs like this I've always done MWF or MWFSun. I really like the MWFSun best to be honest. I know you're not a rookie who really needs advice so I won't bother too much in that regard. What I can say is 1g is Sust is my sweet spot and 600mg a wk of Deca falls right in line with my typical set up. I'll be honest I would go all in a lose the Tbol and run Adrol 2wks on 2 off the whole way through. I prefer tbol on a NPP run rather than Deca. I've run plenty of these stacks so let me speak from experience when I say that Sust Deca Adrol are three of the most synergistic compounds ever created. They work effortlessly together and they produce some crazy ass size and power gains. If you're gunna bulk just sell out and go all in bro.
If you really want to add a little more stability to your test levels add an extra ester like Cyp or Enanthate. I added cyp to the last couple Sust cycles and it really smoothed things out for me. Catalyst showed me that trick.
Add in some good GH and food and that's a proven winner for your winter bulked man. Enjoy yourself stacks like these are why I feel in love with Gear. They're funner than shit to run
Yeah, drop the tbol and pulse the adrol. I am pulsinig adrol now and I don't think there is any better way to run it. You could pulse it that way for the entire cycle.
Ok, so pulse the drol 2wks on/ off. Stay at 50mg/ day? In the past, I've run it at 100mg/ day, split am/pm.
50mg has been plenty for me split am/pm. that seems to be my sweet spot. The nice thing about pulsing it is that the receptors stay fresh so you shouldn't have to increase dose later on to illicit the same response.
Exactly and I have to add 100mg of Drol makes my mood change a lot. On 50mg I grow and get strong and little attitude change. 100mg I blow up size and strength wise but I get edgy as heck over petty stuff. I've learned it's not a cost/benefit worth sustaining for me.
Thanks Mak
Lose the Tbol... Man, you've got me thinking. Tbol is new compound to me and everything I've read says the gains are minimal compared to Dbol and Adrol, but they're more likely to be kept. 2 loyal pounds in 8 weeks seems to be the common experience. But as I said, I've never run it and I'm definitely familiar with the effects of Adrol. I have 6 weeks until the cycle kicks off. Def gonna think on this.
As for adding Cyp or E, it would be E. Cyp knots me up. Where would you add the E? Sust MWF, E on Sun?
I always split it up bro. Minimal oil per injection was my rationale. .5cc depending on the mg/ml of the oil. Depending on the concentration of your other oils you could be be only injecting between 2-2.5cc of oil at once which isnt bad at all. I'm telling you bro I love these three compounds. Drol makes me a bit edgy or grumpy as the wife would say but overall nothing is funner than this stack. Well that's my opinion anyhow:)
Why are you pinning deca every third day? I would kick that out to 5-6 days. A lot of buildup by the end of the cycle if you don't.
Just as a starter, I'm not a fan of big doses, but that's me. I think you're test dose may be a bit high as well.
12 weeks of orals seems like liver trouble as well. Maybe a break between them and shorten the tbol or possibly pulse them.
I think you have a good start here and I think you could lower and shorten some of this and accomplish your goals, but again, that's just my conservative opinion.
Thanks for the reply vh. I'm pinning the deca E3D because it keeps my level just a bit more constant than if I pin every 5-6 days. Here is the breakdown on steroidplot.com
http://steroidplot.com/share/?l=18&t=19&n=8&c0_d=30&c0_c=testosterone&c0...
My sweet spot for test is about 1g/ week, but that's always been with Enanthate. I know you conservative guys rarely get higher than 600. As for the orals, I'm actually running them for 25 days and 50 days, not quite the 12 weeks it appears in the log. Liver concerns are why I'm running the Adrol at 50, so I'm with you there.
I know you have experience running this stuff, just adding my .02.
Be sure to get bloods and keep an eye on you BP with the higher doses. I would add a liver supplement (tuduca) and possibly cut the tbol a little shorter and possibly start it a week or two after the drol.
I'm not a fan of sust, but many are, so I hope it works well for you.
vh, thanks for being the voice of reason. Somebody needs to be. Lol
Keep us updated on how it all goes.