posted Sun, 06/23/2013 - 23:54
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Test E 1000mg Frontload, Deca, EQ, Masteron E,
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I front loaded 1000mg GP Test Cyp (then running 500mg weekly), 500mg PT EQ, 500mg PT Deca, and 50mg Dbol as kicker. I'll be running a 22 week cycle, can't wait to see the outcome. Also I'm switching out DECA, and test cyp week 12 replacing with PT Tren Ace, PT Masteron P, and Test p week 12- 18. I'll also be throwing in a DAA, and cycle assist during PCT. I also have Caber 1mg if needed but I haven't had issues with Deca in previous cycles. I've ran heavy cycles before but my concern here would be weeks 12-16 I'm entering week 4 so any suggestions would be appreciated.
| Week | Test Cyp | Deca | EQ | Test P | Tren Ace | Masteron P | D Bol | HCG | Adex | Nolva | Clomid | Caber | Proviron |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 1000mg | 500mg | 500mg | 40mg | |||||||||
| 2 | 500mg | 500mg | 500mg | 40mg | 0.25-.5E2D | ||||||||
| 3 | 500mg | 500mg | 500mg | 40mg | 0.25-.5E2D | ||||||||
| 4 | 500mg | 500mg | 500mg | 40mg | 500IU | 0.25-.5E2D | |||||||
| 5 | 500mg | 500mg | 500mg | 40mg | 500IU | 0.25-.5E2D | 0.25EOD | ||||||
| 6 | 500mg | 500mg | 500mg | 40mg | 500IU | 0.25-.5E2D | 0.25EOD | ||||||
| 7 | 500mg | 500mg | 500mg | 500IU | 0.25-.5E2D | 0.25EOD | |||||||
| 8 | 500mg | 500mg | 500mg | 500IU | 0.25-.5E2D | 0.25EOD | |||||||
| 9 | 500mg | 500mg | 500mg | 500IU | 0.25-.5E2D | 0.25EOD | |||||||
| 10 | 500mg | 500mg | 500mg | 500IU | 0.25-.5E2D | 0.25EOD | |||||||
| 11 | 500mg | 500mg | 500mg | 500IU | 0.25-.5E2D | 0.25EOD | |||||||
| 12 | 500mg | 500mg | 100mg | 200mg | 500IU | 0.25-.5E2D | 0.25EOD | ||||||
| 13 | 500mg | 100mg | 200mg | 200mg | 500IU | 0.25-.5E2D | 0.25EOD | ||||||
| 14 | 500mg | 100mg | 200mg | 200mg | 500IU | 0.25-.5E2D | 0.25EOD | ||||||
| 15 | 500mg | 50mg | 200mg | 200mg | 500IU | 0.25-.5E2D | 0.25EOD | ||||||
| 16 | 500mg | 50mg | 200mg | 200mg | 500IU | 0.25-.5E2D | 0.25EOD | ||||||
| 17 | 50mg | 200mg | 200ml | 500IU | 0.25-.5E2D | 0.25EOD | |||||||
| 18 | 50mg | 200mg | 200ml | 0.25-.5E2D | 0.25EOD | ||||||||
| 19 | 50mg | 100 | 0.25EOD | 250mg | |||||||||
| 20 | 50mg | 100 | 0.25EOD | 250mg | |||||||||
| 21 | 25mg | 50 | 250mg | ||||||||||
| 22 | 25mg | 50 | 250mg | ||||||||||
| 23 | 25 | 50 | 250mg |
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safetyfirst21Generally Deca is to be run 12 weeks minimum due to the long ester, nandrolone decanoate, it takes a long time to kick in, and a long time to dissipate. Test is usually used at much higher dose than Deca (+100mg-double) to compensate for the "old testament sides," as shown may be fine, I don't know, but you will eventually. The prolactin issues will definitely need to be contained with Prami or Caber, if you keep your dose, even if they change prolactin will be a potential issue. Masteron E is still a long ester, you leave no time for it to leave the body before PCT. Give a good two week gap after before starting PCT, if you start it earlier in the cycle it "should" help with aromatase issues (less estrogen worries). Same deal with the EQ, it takes a long time to clear out, you'll likely need another week, give or take. Run your Tren higher than your Test, they compete for the same androgen receptors and Tren will win. With all that Test floating around freely you leave a lot of room for sides. Looking at the log as shown I'd almost say to leave a week gap between the Test C and Test P but start the Tren as shown. Thats kind of a crazy thought really, you should just lower the Test P dose, I personally might consider the gap but I have odd ideas all the time, no need to hold onto that idea too tightly. It was a thought caused by the receptor battle that's going to occur. Tren will also cause prolactin issues, so again with the Prami or Caber. Prami 0.25-1.0mg ed, 0.25-0.5mg should be fine, Caber 0.25-0.5mg e3d. Nolva has also been shown to increase prolactin for the first 2 weeks of use, so again I can't stress enough the need of Prami or Caber, it would be wise to run them into PCT for 1-2 weeks. Adex has a 46 hour half life, so e2d or e3d at 0.25-0.5mg to start. 0.25mg e3d isn't enough, go to e2d, not enough 0.5mg e3d, not enough e2d, not enough your shits probably bunk (or something else is indeed going wrong). With 19-nors (especially 2) you should try to prevent the testicular atrophy instead of remedy it. Try 250-500iu e3d while on. Leave a 5-7 days gap between last HCG pin and start of PCT, as it will suppress your LH production. HCG can increase aromatase, so be ready to adjust your Adex dose to remedy this. Aromasin would be better overall, it forms an unbreakable bond and will remove the possibility of estrogen rebound. Once Adex is stopped it leaves that definite possibility. You will want to slowly taper off the Adex to help prevent this. Clomid: 100/100/50/50 Nolva: 40/40/20/20 is the standard PCT. Aromasin run through PCT will allow for a lower dose of Nolva: 20/20/10/10. Aromasin has a positive effect on LH and FSH production as well, it will also keep your estrogen contained, which is another reason the Nolva can be lowered, as it bonds to the breast tissue (Nolve) preventing gyno. If there's less estrogen, it lowers its necessity. This is also great with 19-nors (prolactin reasons that I already covered). I don't want to start another debate with the Clomid and e2, but the Aromasin in PCT is definitely a good idea overall. You "may" need another week of PCT as Warthor said, I'd start off with the "may" part in mind. If you feel right after 4, or better yet with bloods after 4, than thats that. Be prepared for more. This cycle is gonna destroy your natural system. You should be fine, however, just remember how harsh this is going to be on your system, there is always a worst case scenario.
@Aggieguy ^^^^
Yes very interesting. I think panda was saying that the low E2 caused breast tenderness and inflammation which acted like gyno. I am trying to research it and so far I can't find anything medically accurate on that as of yet.
Awesome info Safe thank you brother, I have ran Tren and the last cycle dropped my T's low I started getting sides but I was running a higher dose than this. This cycle is the first I'm trying due to it's ability to recruit nutrients while on a low calorie diet.
I do want to say thank you guys I'm always looking to adjust cycles in search of cycle prefection :-) I'm going to adjust and let me know what you guys think. Also right now I'm running adex because I'm waiting for aro to come in.
safetyfirst21Cool cool, I'll be checking on it. I've always preferred removing calories through light to moderate cardio instead of cutting it through diet, both if I'm cutting hard. You get the nutrients from the food while burning of the calories you don't want. It's just harder to calculate. Check this out:
http://www.acefitness.org/updateable/update_display.aspx?pageID=593
Thank you brother
safetyfirst21Yup yup
Run HCG at 250ui 2x/week for all the duration of the cycle.
It will keep your testicle from atrophy and will easy the recovery that you will need because its a pretty heavy cycle...
I would stop everything at week 12... you have like 2 cycle worth in one... may seems good on paper but for the recovery it won't be a good idea.
But you are the one who know how you react...
Drop the deca at week 10... Having deca+tren circulating in yoru body with fuck you up hard!!!
And don't just have cabergoline on hand... USE IT.
18 weeks of 19nor will be pretty harsh...
Run arimidex since first day, it jsut makes no sense to wait... (also .5EOD over .25 anytime!)
If you want kickstart with dbol you could stop it at weeks 4. if 8 weeks be carefull with your liver.
Your PCT Is clearly lacking... It's a heavy cycle!! why not including clomid??
do 50/50/25/25/25 of nolvadex(yes 5 weeks...)
and 100/50/50/50/50 of clomid
Arimidex is of no use into PCT. You arent supose to start pct when your test lvl are higher than normal(due the need to wait 2 weeks after test E) so the aromatization will be normal(ITS VERY IMPORTANT to keep the E2 in healthy range.) If you use adex during pct you will only kill your E2 and have erectile disfonction during your pct... Plus, when E2 is in good range it ease the recovery.
Which you the best of luck, however your cycle it dangerous, especially when you make it hard to recover like you do right now...
Good luck.
Thanks Thor I will for sure work HCG in x2 a week at 250iu. Also I'll be doing Blood work at mid and end of cycle I was going to in the start but missed appointment due to work
Thank you Thor I tweaked it a bit, you made some very good points brother.
No problem, I'm there to help.
I clearly see the amelioration in your planned cycle.
However there is still some little things.
Start HCG and Arimidex since day 1. It's not because you don't feel it kicked in, that it arent already shutting you down. And even in the first week, its aromatizing.
More important you are frontloading (good choice BTW), 1000mg test, the E2 will acct fast if not under control. IMO long ester should always be frontloaded.
You could also switch masteron E to mast A(didnt saw that the first time) And finishing it at the same time than the other.
If you already buyed your masteron, you could frontload the first week, but it wont be optimal.
18 weeks of 19nor... You'll need prami/caber. Just not on hand...
To limit the 19nor side you have to control your E2 and with arimidex it's harder to kill your E2, so I think it would be safer for you to use .5mg/ED
You already have a great shape, continue your hard work.
I'll work in Caber into cycle you make a good point being safe than sorry. As for the Masteron E I was thinking of running it late due to its mild sides, I've been told that it helps when going into PCT because you will still have traces of Mast going into the first week of PCT. I'm picking goodies up for a buddy so might just throw in 4 mast A and run them to see how it goes.
safetyfirst21Caber will need to be started as soon as the cycle does, it takes a couple weeks to build up in your system to really be effective. Prami can be worked in I guess, that takes effects pretty quickly. In this cycle I wouldn't want to "work" them in so to speak. With 3 total items that will increase prolactin from start to finish, not getting it contained is a recipe for lactation. I suppose in theory you could be someone who doesn't get this issue, but, especially with a double 19, I wouldn't wait. As great as not having to buy milk would be, I don't think I'd enjoy my own. The Masteron will greatly increase your DHT levels and keep your HPTA suppressed. You want it to clear out before PCT. It helps with estrogen issues while on and can enhance the effects of your Test, just keep it away from PCT. If your mothers father is bald, you may not have a good time when you brush your hair.
Lol don't want milk :-)
safetyfirst21Don't use Arimidex everyday at that high of a dose, or everyday period. Control, not obliteration. Switch to the Aromasin as soon as you get it in. Starting from the beginning isn't a bad idea, you could maybe wait 'til the end of the first week. Dbol has the shortest half life out there 3-6 hours, give or take, it aromatises very quickly. One thing I'd really suggest on the Dbol is to be safe with the weight. I got overzealous on incline, I was catching up to my previous pr from years past, and felt like I was gonna rip my pec off straight from the shoulder. It has a way of convincing you to go too heavy too fast.
Thank you Guys,
Aro should land by Friday so I'll switch over once it gets here. I do prefer Aro just mis counted my bottles they turned out to be adex :-) I hear you on the weight thing bro. I was hitting shoulders last Wednesday and received a bit of a scare I kept jumping 15 pounds and my right shoulder gave me a burning sensation. I stopped a immediately but I'll see tomorrow how it feels wont be jumping weight just to be sure.