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Some Questions - 3rd Cycle - Test/EQ/TBOL/Var

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STATS, DESCRIPTION, GOALS

Stats

33yr
6'5"
200lb
12% bf

third cycle.

first cycle was 2 years ago - 500 Test-E only. 8 weeks. Got great results, got up to around 210lb from 190lb and leaned out a lot. Outside of some acne on my arms, no real side effects

Had dropped backed down to a lean 190lb after running a marathon and ran a 2nd cycle last year of Test P (500mg) & EQ (300mg). 12 weeks. Got up to a very lean 205lb. Again, outside of acne, no real side effects. Decent diet, but could have been better.

After selling my company and being under a lot of stress over the fall, I have stayed around 200lbs, but at 12%bf vs. around 9% when I wrapped up my last cycle. Decent diet, could have been better.

I loved how lasting the gains I had on EQ seemed to stay (especially compared to my test-only cycle), so want to give it another go ahead. My goal of this cycle is to to get a very athletic "ripped" look that I can keep as much of post cycle. In an ideal world I would end the cycle around 215 and 7% - again, an ideal with crushing my diet and the gym.

After doing a bunch of reading, 16 weeks of EQ seemed to be a solid amount - not stretching too far beyond my previous cycles, but going long enough to get some solid results from the EQ. I definitely have time to go 20 weeks, but don't want to stretch my 3rd cycle too far.

I'm adding in Proviron for the extra libido boost and to safeguard against gyno. I've never had any gyno issues before on past cycles, but adding a bit more to this one, and wouldn't mind the extra sex drive over the summer.

Given the length of the cycle and my balls shrinking up pretty significantly on past cycles, I want to run HCG to combat any long-term shutdown. Balls are back to their normal hanging selves right now, but definitely get raisined after a couple of weeks on test.

Anavar is added to help cut me down to that magical 7-8% BF on the last 8 weeks of this cycle and before I head out to spend 2 weeks shirtless on vacation.

After doing a bunch of research, I have outlined the cycle above and have a couple of questions I would love help with.

  • What test ester is best to run on this cycle? It was planning on Test E, but would love some advice here on people's thoughts.

  • How do my dosing for Test & EQ look?

  • Should I extend the EQ to 18 or 20weeks (and adjust the rest appropriately)? Is that too long for my third cycle?

  • Planning on kickstarting the cycle with 4weeks of TBol. Heard some good things about doing this and gives me a bit of a boost from day 1. Any red flags there? Extend or is 4 weeks good?

  • Start Proviron Week 1 and run until PCT?

  • Start HCG week 2 or wait until longer? is 500ui enough?

  • Does the Anavar raise any red flags? Timing? Dosage?

  • Does my PCT look in check?

Finally, would love to get thoughts on what other supps to run alongside this. Previously took daily cycle and liver support pills, and blood work always came back fine, but given the increase in substances, I want to make sure I keep everything in check. Also - outside of creatine, any other supplements people normally take?

WeekTest EEQTBOLProvironHCGNolvaClomid
1600mg 600mg50mg25mg
2600mg600mg50mg25mg500UI
3600mg600mg50mg25mg500UI
4600mg600mg50mg25mg500UI
5600mg600mg25mg500UI
6600mg600mg25mg500UI
7600mg600mg25mg500UI
8600mg600mg25mg500UI
9600mg600mg25mg500UI
10600mg600mg25mg500UI
11600mg600mg25mg500UI
12600mg600mg25mg500UI
13600mg600mg25mg500UI
14600mg600mg25mg500UI
15600mg600mg25mg500UI
16600mg600mg25mg500UI
17600mg25mg500UI
1825mg
1925mg
2040mg100mg
2140mg100mg
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2320mg50mg
Outlawthing's picture

I agree too much going on here for third cycle I would raise the test to 750 and run provirin with it use either tbol kicker or var finisher make sure to have liver support I didn't see an ai if you need it save the eq for later eq is best if ran 20 weeks but I find the 750-900 mg work best for me 20 weeks is a long cycle too body takes a beating

folsom's picture

thanks for the feedback - I had run EQ for 12 weeks my last cycle and really enjoyed it - especially because I keep a pretty aggressive cardio schedule - and thought the gains stayed more significantly than they did on the test alone. I have pretty low blood pressure, so didn't run into a lot of the issues others see with EQ. I'll take out the anavar for sure. TBol was more to give a jumpstart to the cycle given the long esters, but don't want to throw myself too overboard, so debating taking that out as well. I'm on a flight right now so don't have the bandwidth to upload pictures, but will this afternoon.

vhman's picture

Third cycle and you've got SIX compounds proposed. Way too much for your stated goals. No reason a simple test-e/c and provi run won't work for what your propose goals are. Hcg is fine as well, but Eq and the orals are overkill. You need to lock your diet down as well. You're under weight for your height. I'm 6'2" and 235, and I'm not a bodybuilder.

freedom1981's picture

You got your advice down here , PS hcg week 3 or 4 500 ui good enough in a week . You don't need anavar or eq . As MedDx said . Third cycle keep it simple , and try to not extend the cycle more than 12 or max 14 but as a third cycle 12 good enough . Your pct looks good . But too much compounds for third cycle isn't a good idea . And 200 ponds with 6'5 this isn't much too . You need food and food . First food then steroids .

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MedDx's picture

If you want to put 15lbs on then increase your calories and titrate your macros to meet your goals. If you want to do it with AAS, then go back to using long-estered test and proviron. If u can keep the 215, then your next cycle could be with EQ/Test.

Although the orals arent harsh, they will still raise your liver enzymes, and you will need liver supps with them, but one at a time. Stacking orals like you posted isnt too bad, but this is your third cycle and i dont advise the stack. Keep it simple, safe and stress free, while mastering what makes the difference