posted Fri, 07/08/2016 - 03:34
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Pharmacom Cycle!
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STATS, DESCRIPTION, GOALS
This is my first cycle
I am 5 11' and I currently weigh 185 lb's
I expect to gain 15-20 lb's
The only concern I have is pinning! (i have shaky hands)
| Week | Testosterone Cypionate | Dianabol |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | 500mg | 30mm ED |
| 2 | 500mg | 30mm ED |
| 3 | 500mg | 30mm ED |
| 4 | 500mg | 30mm ED |
| 5 | 500mg | |
| 6 | 500mg | |
| 7 | 500mg | |
| 8 | 500mg | |
| 9 | 500mg | |
| 10 | 500mg |
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RustyhookerContact catalyst below and get your foods on point. A true ectomorph 100% relies on constant big calories. Once you got that, growing starts booming.
Old farts like me...then the chore of always balancing everything kicks in. Lol
not a good cycle indeed. you will not gain 15-20 lbs with this cycle. or better to say, you gain... water. my personal opinion:
1. for the first cycle use only short-acting esters. testosterone propionate is preferable here. it will allow you to quickly quit in case of any possible side effects.
2. testosterone without other drugs will not provide you dense muscles. you need something else. you can mix 2 oil-based drugs in a single syringe to reduce amount of pins. If you are about to have a long cycle, add boldenone into this stack. all 10 weeks throughout. it is a pretty mild and safe drug, which will provide a synergic effect.
3. you use dbol within first 4 weeks and nothing after. i would extend it for 6 weeks at least. but always take into account how you feel and don`t forget about side effects. dbol has expressed estrogenic activity, it aromatizes into methylestradiol, which has by about 30% higher estrogenic activity as compared with the regular estradiol. So, you will need aromatase inhibitors like anastrazole or exemestane.
4. I personally would include into this stack proviron on the daily basis. It will lower your SHBG level, which means increased level of free = bioavailable testosterone in blood. It also helps to get a harder look for your muscles.
5. Regarding bloating, in fact it depends a lot on your nutrition plan and carbs amounts you consume, and, the most important, on your estradiol level. Keep it closer to the high reference limit to stay not bloated, but still have optimum conditions for muscle bulking.
I've flagged your post so it's not read again. Apologies for the "multiple violations", but there isn't an option for "abject stupidity" or "crap misleading advice".
Should stick to your SI.
let me know if this happens again please.
hi guys , probably there is some misunderstanding here?
Because English is not my native language.
Actually the very first thing i wrote in my post was that he shall not use long-ester drugs for the first cycle in order to be able to cancel the cycle in case of any possible issues. i recommended short esters like propionate. is it a bad advice? this was the very first and main idea of the post. Next, I said he needs AI inhibitors to control his estradiol levels, because dbol aromatizes into methylestradiol, which is more active as estradiol + aromatization of testosteron. He had no one word said about AI inhibitors and could get a bunch of side effects incl. gyno, bloating, high pressure, etc. You wanna say this was a bad advice?
This was all i wanted to post first. But then i noticed this thread https://www.eroids.com/cycle_logs/updates/first-injection and understood that he just ignored all of your advices, which meant he is not going to use the previous scenrio or any of your advices. So, i decided to recommend him option 2 with long esters and minimum side effects, which were cyp+proviron+bold+anastrazole. This is for sure a better alternative to cyp + dbol. Proviron helps him to use his cycle as efficient as possible by lowering SBHG. It has a minimal effect on inhibition of HPTA, on cholesterol levels and on liver. It is for sure much safer as dbol. Its chemical structure is very close to our native DHT, it is more native. Finally it helps to avoid bloating in combination with controlled amount of carbs. Bold is also a mild drug with minimum side effects. so, test cyp + bold are for sure a safer and more easy-to-be controlled-cycle as cyp + dbol, where he could get estrogenic side effects beyond his control. HPTA is inhibited on any cycle, but with proviron and bold inhibition will be probably even less as with dbol.
Ok, i am sure if i got so many minuses, this is not for nothing and something is wrong and i wont recommend anything anymore. But i still think there is some misunderstanding here...
YourdadAll of you become scientists lately......the quy is probably lifting for a year or 2.Waste of gear
I am not a scientist, but 1. I have a pretty reach personal experience. 2. I read a lot, i have seen hundreds of blood works after stupid cycles and respective consequences as well as ways how to solve them. 3. I am a member of one of the worldwide largest manufacturers of gear, so in this area my experience is still richer as of many of members. But as I said in my previous post, looks like we have different approaches, and i am only a guest here, so you are right, i won`t give such recommendations anymore.
YourdadI don't know who you are and what do you know....they only think I know is that: If someone uses gear without enough training,diet etc he would destroy his physic forever. If you jump on gear there is no way coming back and build natural gains easily.
many have asked you to slow your roll and refrain from poor advice via eroids standards. I'M NOT ASKING im telling you. Enough, there is a certain way we do things around here. I suggest you learn them.
this is exactly what i told, even twice. i am a guest here and i got it. I won`t give such recommendations anymore. Sorry.
There's no misunderstanding. I'll answer you very simply so it's clear for the future. 1) Don't recommend multi compound cycles to members running their first cycle. 2) don't recommend anything to people who haven't built a base naturally.
well, i have something to reply, just a comment to explain why i did what i did. We have a couple of Russian big boards, where members discuss different topics. The biggest thread there is devoted to recovering on PCT and different issues on and after cycle. Lot of young people come with blood work results and complain about something being bad... gyno, high AST or ALT, high cholesterol, low libido, a ton of different problems...and we noticed one thing: if not most of them, but lot of those guys are newbies on the board, they come, ask to comment their cycle, for any advice. Experienced members firstly replied the same way as you here. And this is correct,there is no way i doubt it. BUT those newbies wanna get big and with minimal efforts. This is our current reality unfortunately. They are young and they think only in one way, they wanna get big asap. If they receive a reply like - you shall wait at least when you are 25-26 years old, or you shall not use long or multi drugs at your first cycle. You think they listen to it? No, very rarely. They just think - i am young, i have no health issues, i have already bough gear, those board advisers dont understand me, etc. If we wanna something and someone says - it is not right, but we still wanna this, our brain always finds a bunch of reasons why we are right and others not . And everyone thinks he is a special one and wont have issues. Lot of newbies dont reply anything on boards, they just start their cycles in the right as they think way. No word from them within a while and after several month we see those newbies with blood work results in that big thread asking our experts for a help... What I wanna say with this. All you said is correct, but newbies dont listen to the right advice. They just dont have enough patience. If you say kind of - wait when you gain a base naturally or wait when you are 26 years old at least, etc, this is all correct, but they dont wanna listen to this. This is a fact proven lot of times. And what happens next? Next they got side effects and issues because they use cycles like deca + dbol, or dont have any idea about aromatase inhibitors and a million of other reasons. Because they are too lazy to read more and they see replies like - you shall not do it yet, they stop reading and still do without knowledge required. I got lot of minuses now for my reply. Ok, all of your replies were correct. Yes he shouldnt have started this cycle, but he has started it. So, he did not listen to your replies. He started a thread and made his first injection. There is a link to that thread above. When i noticed this i advised him to use another drug like bold or primo, not dbol. This is not the best possible way as you advised, but he has in fact ignored the most popular advice - not to start a cycle yet. In this case it is better to advise something what will reduce side effects to minimum as to continue saying - drop it off, you are too young yet. He has already started... At least in russian boards if we clearly see that newbies are ignoring recommendations we do at least something to reduce possible side effects as much as possible so that he does not come to that big thread asking about why he is feeling bad on or after cycle. Looks like you have a different practice on eroids. Ok, I am only a guest here, so, i got this and i completely understand, i won`t provide any recommendations like this anymore.sorry.
I agree entirely with you, nine times out of ten you're right. Sometimes they come around though, albeit few and far between.
I appreciate things are done differently elsewhere, I even understand why. Just not what we do here and personally I'm glad it's that way. The approach to say "he's going to do it anyway let's minimise the damage" isn't how we work. Humans learn from mistakes way quicker than successes, sometimes ending up in a mess is the wake up call they need.
ok, i learned the lesson. it won`t happen again.
+2 for handling yourself in a decent manner.
if they do not want to listen oh well. We aren't going to give in and let them have their way just because they go in and just do it. Oh fucking well. Natural selection. Lessons are expensive sometimes and some like to learn the hard way. So that he will do. We have a standard protocol here. An diving in and giving advice just because someone is going ahead with their plan anyways isn't it. He was given advice. Now if he chooses not to listen that's his problem. There will be no hand holding just because he wants to do it anyways. Suggesting multiple compounds to a newb who aside from being a newb doesn't have a physique to warrent it is ridiculous. Obviously he needs help with his diet and training. Gear doesn't make the physique, time , food and training does bro.
Since when in buttfuck do we advise 4 compounds for a first cycle? Are you fucking high?
Am I even allowed to neg this post?
There ain't a man in your family if you don't neg that post ;-P
Richard.SimmonsAnd another one.... Your going to gain a lot of water that's what your going to gain and than loose it all.... Diet diet diet !!
getbig247I done the same cycle except I ran it for 12 weeks and I gained a little more than that using pharmacom gear! If your diet and nutrition is right you will go far! Just be smart and keep up the diet and training and you'll be fine. Don't forget blood work. I suggest doing blood work 4 weeks after your first shot and 4 weeks after your last oral. Good luck and I hope your first cycle does you well!
good bye.
You fucking nincompoop.
All these people give a responsible opinion and you come along and know better. At 23 years of age about the only thing you do know better than these guys is stuff like PlayStation games and power rangers.
Well done, you told him what he wanted to hear. You da man.
I think Power Rangers were before his time. ;-)
Just what the OP wanted to hear. -2 for being irresponsible.
Glad to hear it man and I will be doing blood work. Thank you!
Use your head man. You have several members here advising you to wait a little bit and hold off until you have a larger muscle base. You turn a blind eye to all this advise and then you have this fuckstick who's 23, knows fuck all about steroids come in and stick his thumb up your ass telling you to go for it, and that's all you need? Are you that fucking simple? Next time talk to a 2 year old and ask them if they approve and if they giggle then that means go for it.
Whilst you may not agree with the feedback you got here, you should realise that's it's good advice. Other than your friend above, there's a reason why everyone's telling you the same thing. It's not to offend you, it's to show you how to do things in a more productive way. Should build a better base first rather than impatiently jumping on gear at 185lbs.
You sound like your here to help. I'm listening. I'm only a week in and I suppose Its not to late to stop. Not really sure if i can bring myself to do that or not. The reason why I started this cycle is because I used to weigh 140. Always had a hard time gaining weight. I decided that enough was enough. I gained 45 pounds naturally in about 8 months with diet and workouts. My body fat is around 14 percent now but what ever at least I got some meat on my bones. Ever since I hit 185 I cant seem to get up any more. I'm doing 3800 cals a day. 220 grams of protein. 400 grams of carbs. I feel like I have gained a good base. If i stopped the cycle now and got up to 200 would that be okay? To do that, I would have to take my nutrition to a place that isn't holy but its obviously possible. Thoughts?
I'll certainly try and help you out. Stop me a FR and we'll talk on pm ok?