posted Sat, 09/26/2015 - 01:05
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+ 2 New Bulking Cycle but first time using Masteron
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STATS, DESCRIPTION, GOALS
I'm 5'10" and weigh about 190lbs and about 12%, with a minor gut which i will be able to get rid of just by improving my diet and making my wife stop putting f'ing awesome fatty ass food in front of me every day (God bless her and hate her at the same time!). Looking to gain about another 15-18lbs and then lean out to about an even 200lbs. Want to know if the combo of test, dbol and mast is overkill (which i guess i wouldn't be TOO upset about) or not. Have not used Masteron before but have seen sick results on friends.
The photo I have below is the only somewhat recent photo i have with shirt off but it should still give an idea...
| Week | Testosterone Enanthate | Dbol | Masterone | Adex |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 500mg | 50mg ed | 100mg eod | .25 eod |
| 2 | 500mg | 50mg ed | 100mg eod | .25 eod |
| 3 | 500mg | 50mg ed | 100mg eod | .25 eod |
| 4 | 500mg | 50mg ed | 100mg eod | .25 eod |
| 5 | 500mg | 50mg ed | 100mg eod | .25 eod |
| 6 | 500mg | 50mg ed | 100mg eod | .25 eod |
| 7 | 500mg | 100mg eod | .25 eod | |
| 8 | 500mg | 100mg eod | .25 eod | |
| 9 | 500mg | 100mg eod | .25 eod | |
| 10 | 500mg | 100mg eod | .25eod |
PRE CYCLE PIC:
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here is my honest opinion. cut the dbol back to 4 weeks... drop the mast completely,take the test to 12 weeks. if your going to bulk brother then BULK cut after your cycle is over. I think you will have much better results. keep it simple for a bulking cycle.. Right amount of calories with the right amount of protein and carbs will make you explode if your training is there of course.
That's actually damn good advice, thank you!
However, I guess I'm not looking to put on 20+ pounds. I have actually done cycles just like this before (bulk first and then cut second half) and they've worked like a f'ing gem but keep in mind that I am not competing or anything like that. I am basically just trying to get up to about 205-210, which I can definitely do, a lot from muscle memory, i admit, and this cycle. Then I just want to cut up while hanging onto as much of that mass as I can.
Do you think mast would not help me do that? Or is it just not necessary at all? I'll be honest, I'm not looking to put my body through shit that it doesn't have to go through if the general advice is not to.
The mast isn't worth it for what your trying to accomplish .. +2 for ya
Thanks, man, I really appreciate that. But I appreciate the advice even more!
So let me ask you this...like I said, I will likely get a lot of muscle memory kicking in, so do you think kicking dbol and doing mast with the test instead would be any better? Almost making more sense to me...less water, less loss when off, etc...
whatcha think?
Forget the mast bro run your test and dbol and eat and eat and train you will thank yourself later
I with GJ here. Mast is going to add little or nothing for you here.
yeah ok, you guys have sold me. thank you. so i'll stick with the general bulking with the test and dbol. now I'm definitely going to want to cut after this, so i'm guessing nobody would recommend "continuing" this course into a cutting cycle, or do you recommend going through the whole recovery/pct process first before i start a cut?
I view it as one or the other. If you're bulking, eat accordingly, maximise the gains. When you can't eat any more, get another meal down you. Unless you're puking, you can eat more. When you're cutting, set up your compounds and your diet as such. Trying to do both generally ends up with you being a master of nothing.
Bulk, pct, then drop me a line and we'll get a diet in place and working ready to line up a cutter. Bulk, carve it up after, repeat. Done that way for decades for a good reason, it works ;)
X100 well put
Yeah, hell, well put. Tough to argue with it when you put it that way.
Can't tell you guys how much I appreciate you taking the time to hook me up. I know you don't have to so it's really appreciated.
Guess I'm gonna have to post a new cycle and come back with results.
I would just edit this one but wouldn't that just confuse anyone else coming here to check it out? Not sure of the protocol for something like this
You're good, if anyone reads through they should be able to work out the path you've followed.
Sent friend request. i might bug you with other questions if you don't mind
Animal! Thank you brother...you had me at "eat and eat and eat!" you just combined my three favorite things to do! lol
X 2. Your a 190 lbs and can keep a good 10 lbs of wheight just from a test e cycle. You need to allow your body to keep up with your gains or your tendions will start rocking you. I wouldnt waist the masterone. Save it for something better.
Thanks House. You actually make a really good point too because my joints and tendons have already taken a bit of a beating over the years from sports. Like I said above, I'm not looking to do more damage to my body than i have to just to keep my vane ass looking decent. Don't judge! lol
Looks good, this not advice just my plan. I'm adding masteron on the next cycle also, I've read it presences helps the 19 nor compounds such as tren or deca bind to the proper cells so mine will look similar but with more test and less dbol and maybe 600 mg of deca. As always make sure you're eating and sleeping to grow.
I appreciate it and diet is a little bigger at the moment as I am expecting to put some size one before i start cutting
Im confused at this layout. I dont know if its pulling up right on my phone. Can you tell me? I see the test e 500 mg ew, dbol ? And mast prop?
Yes you got it right. Test is 500mg per week, dbol is 50mg per day for six weeks and mast is 100mg eod for the length of the cycle. Keep in mind that I am aware that mast is more known for it's strength gains than it's size gains, but I'm a firm believer that the strength is where you will keep more of your size from.
Gaining weight is a calorie game. Losing fat is a calorie game. Regardless if you run MAST or not, the amount of calories you eat daily will dictate what your weight does. Not the drugs you run.
You could have picked a different stack for your specific goal of wanting to add 15-20lbs. But theres nothing wrong with the cycle laid out above. Your goal of putting on the amount of weight you are intending on doing will be dictated on you being in a positive energy balance for all of your cycle.
Best of luck and if you have any questions regarding meal plans or you would like someone to look over your current meal plan, just reach out. Nutrition is my obsession. I can definitely make some recommendations as to what's worked for me and for other people I've worked with in the past.
Tried to give you a thumbs up for your help but it won't let me...guess I'm not high enough with the cool crowd yet to do that? lol
First of all....thanks for you advice...much appreciated.
I up my calorie intake like crazy when I'm looking to add mass (even 800 calorie lean shakes before bed) just like anyone who isn't born last night would. I obviously change up the routine when it's time to cut. However, I'm a bit of a believer that strength, (which mast supplies a lot of) and i believe it will benefit me more in the end because I've always felt that more strength will equate to the type of gains that you can hang onto. What's your thoughts? Thanks again
If your main goal is to add 15 to 18 lbs than save the mast for a cutter ...if you want dryer gains than a test eg dbol would work ..keep things simple bulk or cut ....if you make it to complicated than your desired result is much harder to achieve if you can achieve it at all..
I my thought was to go for gains during the first half of the cycle and then change the diet and add more cardio to cut down during the last half of the cycle but you're saying I should cut out the mast completely and save it for a cutting cycle after this cycle with just test and dbol? Thanks for the input as well mate...much appreciated
I had a typo i was sayin bulk with test dbol and eq the eq will give you dryer gains.
Kind of tough to bulk up and then cut in one cycle, especially in 10 weeks time. Just eat clean calories throughout and you should be able to add muscle while dropping body fat.
Thanks brother....and I agree...near impossible to do both but this is not the first time I've done the, bulk first half and then cut the second. And it's always worked incredibly well. Keep in mind I'm not looking to enter any contests anytime soon...this is purely for myself.....and maybe for some ass ;-)
ZewiAnabolXI agree with Chuck save the mast for the end.. Also why are you running Dbol for 6 weeks? I'd run it for 4 if trying to cut and gain Understand you want to be 200lbs...
However, there is a difference between looking 200lbs and being 200lb....
Diet will be major key to hitting this goal, with the cycle you laid out..but hold off on the mast till the end..
Not sure why they're watchin you Zewi, but I appreciate the advice brother. The diet will be properly adjusted when I am at the stage of trying to cut. Right now I'm doing almost 3,000 cals a day while bulking but I plan on cutting down to about 2,200 a day a long with much more cardio during the second half of the cycle. but as Darkhorse said, now I'm contemplating if I should just do the blking cycle with only the test and dbol first and then do the cutting cycle with the mast later.