-2 Low test high NPP
Ok guys here goes. After doing some research and getting feedback from you fine gentlemen I will be running 150mg of Test Cyp and 900 of NPP. I am going to be using 12.5 of aromasin daily in hopes of keeping estrogen low enough to prevent potential prolactin sides (I had some success doing this with tren). I’m going to be as honest as I can about this cycle. I’m sure some will disagree with me. I’m starting at 195lbs and 20% bf. High I know but I lose a decent amount of fat on cycle without cutting calories. I know broscience says this doesn’t happen but it has for me. I want to add a decent amount of weight and then cut with DHB in the spring. I’m a family guy with young kids and I work a fair amount so being regimented can be tuff. I plan on keeping protein around 250 and calories at 3500. Fats and carbs are likely to fluctuate based on the day. I weight train 5-6 days per week and do 20 min of post workout cardio. If I get even fatter then oh well I’ve learned my lesson. I just want to share my experience on this. A little experiment for an average guy who loves to train but wants a fairly normal life as well. I’ll post updates every couple of weeks.
| Week | Testosterone Enanthate | NPP | Aromasin |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1-12 | 150mg | 900mg | 12.5mg |
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I'm a little late jumping in on this but what you're asking for with deca or npp is a little counter productive. From experience with just 300 mg of deca, I put on a sloppy 30lbs with a twelve week cycle despite eating clean. But, after pct and a couple of weeks of clen, I trimmed off about half of what I gained and looked pretty good. It's not so much the fat gain but it's water but it's necessary. I cant imagine the effects at such a high dose of NPP, its definitely not needed and in always less is more kind of guy.
Also, why not substitute for some eq? You can run an 18 to 20 weeker eating a lot of clean food and live in the gym due to the increase red blood cell count. This of course would require you to donate blood to drop the high RBC count but use that extra stamina, eat more and reckon your body. Don't fuck your body up with a 19-nor like that.
Good luck and listen to the bros
The water is not from the deca. Deca barely aromatizes. You can thank the test that was aromatizing freely because of the presence of nandrolone for that. That’s actually the whole rationale for running nandrolone higher, to avoid the bloat.
RustyhookerCuriosity. You run deca higher? Whats your advised doses that you've run and gains?
At the moment. I don’t advise anything. This is my first time, so I’m seeing how it plays out. I’m already in the middle of this thing so I may as well finish it out and it’s absolutely fine at a 3:1 ratio regarding vitals and everything. But you know what, I’ve done a lot of growing up lately, even within the last couple months, and this is the last time I do something “experimental” like this for a while. I just don’t think I need anything besides a modest dose of test every once in a while, and I’m going to keep it more traditional in the future, even if things do work out great. It’s not about the gains anymore, it’s about my health and longevity. Priorities have changed. Not that I don’t love what I do. Rather, I love it so much, I want to keep doing it most of my life, up into old age. I used to look up to Arnold. Now I’d rather be like LaLanne.
One of the best posts I have seen. That is really cool to say, hey I changed some things to be healthy and be healthy for my future. Good job anyti.e in life you make positive changes good thing come with it
As the old mod Hollywood used to say with a nandrolone cycle "it's not how you feel during cycle, it's how you feel during the recovery."
Assuming the person in question went the cycling route, that’s true.
RustyhookerI used to look up to Arnold. Now I’d rather be like LaLanne
Standing ovation!!! I can see that. Hell ya!
I always run low test and still bloated off that cycle. I'm going to try the same cycle with even lower test but keep the compounds the same dose at 250 and see what happens. I'd even consider running test at 200mg and nandrolone at 300mg but have always been advised not to do it.
You got 50 plus people here giving you great advice. And you didn't listen to anything anyone said.
I posted an update but it looks like it started another thread. Are you guys able to see it
RustyhookerYes. Noone is going to answer. Good luck
Should I just stop logging. I don’t want to post it if no one is interested
RustyhookerThats up to you. Folks advised you. You went yolo. If you dont care then why would we? Its your body to break any way you like. I woulda been interested if you ran normal type of doses. This yolo crap though....
Bro , you can do it with test and tren or eq but not with npp or deca , it’s really harsh and if your deca or npp really dosed then you will go really down in all ways . Rethink about it
Hey ill be the first one to say ive done some stupid cycles. Ive learned alot and been on this forum for years. Right now im running deca at 500 mg ew and sus at 600 mg a week. It was at 500 mg ew with the sus at 500mf . I had to bump the sus up. I thought the same thing as you with running the test a little lower. I was fcking with my hormones bad and my sex drive was all fcked up. Come to find out i think the sus i was running was pretty weak but here nof there u dont want to run your test that low compared to the deca. You will regret it. Its your body and you can do what you want and atleast its npp and you can back off quicker than a long ester but trust md not a good idea. Also throwing your hormones around like that will give you roid rage. Blood pressure will be all over thr place and we dont know if your on other meds by a real doctor. Most cycles u will see deca at a lower dose like 500 and test at 750. Wich u seem to know. You can do more damage than your dick not getting hard. 900 mg ew? Where did you even get that number from even at 1 ml ed 700 mg ew. Your anove that. Why not test prop or phenylprop and npp 100 mg eod of both. More isnt going to be better. Fighting high estro sucks and all the other sides. Dont you want to enjoy your cycle? This is about having better quality of life and having a good time while doing it.
I can definitely appreciate a brother looking out for another and your genuine concern- the only thing I disagree with is you saying one must run test higher than nandralone. Definitely not true. But, running the ratio and doses he suggests he is, yeah, not smart nor efficient whatsoever.
But you are right, I’d HATE to see what his blood pressure is... and hands down agree with you that more isn’t always better. I personally like to take the lower end dose that will obtain maximum results- and rely on my fuel (diet) and training/recovery to be the main tools, as they should be.
A lot of solid advice here mate. Some very knowledgeable member in your thread.
I'm late to the party but I will say I see nothing wrong with doing a run with a bf as high as 20%, if more people were honest I think a least half the community would be 20%+ BF year round. Yes there are health concerns, yes it puts more strain on vital organs and yes oestrogen is harder to control but if you're happy at that % and know the risks crack in on
Nothing to do with OPs cycle, but you really think so brotha? (That “at least half the community would be 20%+ BF year round)
Yes. Look at the selfies a year ago. People get called out more now a days which is why a lot of members don't upload photos.
Yea thanks man. I know I’m prob gonna take some heat for this but I’m following my plan. Maybe I’m just hard headed but I only don’t see the problem with this cycle. I’ve looked at it from every angle and decided to pull the trigger. I’ll be posting bi weekly updates. So far I feel great
900 NPP is a massive dose bro. Let us know how you get along please fella
I posted asking about this a few weeks ago. Couldn’t find a single first hand account of a bad experience with low test high npp. Is the concern that it’s too high. The original plan was 325 test 600 NPP but it was recommended I try lower test. I don’t think a gram of gear was all that outrageous. A little high for a forth cycle but I didn’t expect this kind of response. I know my body fat is high but I want to get as big as I can this winter. Any suggestions for tweaking. Are there any safety concerns with doing this or does everyone just think I’m jumping the gun. Thanks guys
RustyhookerAny safety concerns? That statement alone is a red flag.
You are 100% correct.
I’m asking because I don’t see any. On paper nandrolone seems to be a safer AAS. I see very little resistance to people running 300 test and 600 tren and orals. Or 500 nandrolone and 600 test. I’m not understanding what the issues would be. I’m definitely trying to keep an open mind because a lot of you are advising against it but I’m not sure why
Running any AAS at a higher dose than your body produces is a risk. I can name off a 100 issues but I’m not your momma or pop pop. Remember your half life is only 2.5 days it’s not like deca. Most guys I know run it every 1-2 days to keep blood levels consistent once again it’s not like deca. Running 500-600mg a week should be fine. Remember this stuff won’t kick in until around week 4 also your Test should be higher dose than the NPP
RustyhookerBingo!
Sometimes I just sit back and think........
Why not a good old easy test only cycle? 500 mg test e for 8-12 weeks. You still have a lot of room to grow before stacking compounds is necessary. Also nandrolone shuts test down harder then any other compound that at least I know of. Are you ready to go trt? Roll the dice..