posted Sat, 01/04/2014 - 05:47
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First Cycle - Athlete: Test E with Test P kickoff
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STATS, DESCRIPTION, GOALS
Age: 25
Height: 6' 2"
Weight 181lbs
Lifting for 5 years, though not strictly all 5.
In the military, working out is mandatory anyway.
Looking to increase athletic performance and aesthetic appeal. Gain size without ballooning up too much, I run and can't afford to be crippled by calf pumps or any of that craziness.
| Week | Testosterone Enanthate | Testosterone Propionate | Clomid | Nolvadex | Aromasin (if needed) | HCG |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 500mg | 100mg EOD | 6.25mg ed | |||
| 2 | 500mg | 100mg EOD | 6.25mg ed | |||
| 3 | 500mg | 100mg EOD | 6.25mg ed | |||
| 4 | 500mg | 6.25mg ed | ||||
| 5 | 500mg | 6.25mg ed | ||||
| 6 | 500mg | 6.25mg ed | 500IU | |||
| 7 | 500mg | 6.25mg ed | 500IU | |||
| 8 | 500mg | 6.25mg ed | 500IU | |||
| 9 | 500mg | 6.25mg ed | 500IU | |||
| 10 | 500mg | 6.25mg ed | 500IU | |||
| 11 | 6.25mg ed | 500IU | ||||
| 12 | 6.25mg ed | 500IU | ||||
| 13 | 50mg ed | 20mg ed | ||||
| 14 | 50mg ed | 20mg ed | ||||
| 15 | 50mg ed | 20mg ed | ||||
| 16 | 50mg ed | 20mg ed |
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Pre-cycle bloods up, any thoughts?
maybe its just me being a little slow today and I know this has been updated because I read all of the comments below but where the test p kicker at?
Good catch, fixed it!
Update posted, can I get a vet to weigh in on hcg? Thanks
read more about hcg if you can. should be used for pct only in my opinion.
I appreciate everyone's input. Dropped the tbol, will keep AI on hand and decide best useage after getting my bloods back. Ended up going with a designed 10wk cycle that starts with Test P and moves into Test E, will update cycle shortly.
250mg/week is a high trt dose or a maintenance dose for those of us who dont pct , 500 is the minimum to see decent results provided in your case that you up the calories to about 300 over maintenance since you are a runner and very active -that should get you some size and endurance if you train with light weight and high reps (15-20) , drop the tbol if your goal is endurance athelete ,you dont want the extra bulk - save the aromasin and get blood work done after week 4 check your e2 levels and then start with the lowest dose -if you get puffy/itchy nipples before 4 weeks start the aromasin at the lowest dose but still get your bloodwork done after week 4
How about this for advice on a 1st cycle? Drop the dose to 250 a week; more is not better. If you are already on the low side of bf then 250 will work wonders for you. Tbol should be used at a later cycle. I love tbol but you need to see the gains you get from the test 1st to then make any other decisions down the road. I honestly believe you will get great gains from 250. And with a low dose of test your water retention and estro concerns will be lower basing that if you are not already prone to high levels.
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I think I would definitely stick with atleast 500mg/week. At 25, you're not gonna see near the impact at 250, personally, at that age I think it would be a waste to go 250, my opinion.
my 1st real cycle was 250 sus for 12 weeks; once a week believe it or not. I lost about 10 pounds of fat and my workouts were getting better. granted 250 a week of sus isn't shit especially considering the shorter esthers in it but it worked. Everyones magical number has and probably will always be 500 to start. Some of the big boys do 250 a week to maintain so someone who is starting out should get the same benefits. I believe there is no real magical number to start; you just have trial and error on what works best for each individual.
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This is what I would do and I think many would agree with me.
Test only, drop the tbol (althought its not a must, I think everyone should start test only) you wont need HCG either, so save it for later if you already bought it. Add clomid to your PCT and I would up nolva to 40/40/20/20 I would also start Aromasin at a lower dose to see how you react at first, and I would also wait to start it till the third week. I would also extend test to 12 weeks total, im not a big fan of 10 week cycles like this.
ridingsoloHire a coach to do your drug cycle, your taking advice from ppl you dont know and have no idea what you like or how your acts. I as well am former military i hired a coach and am getting the results of my life.
That's horrible advice so go take anything a coach gives u without no knowledge or the science of how they work. This place is filled full of knowledgeable poeple . Never put anything in your body without doin your homework telling someone to take things BC a coach tells u is wrong if I wasn't new I'd b down voting u wow
What???? As far as I'm concerned this is one of the best places to go for advice. If you "hire a coach" they wont know you from adam either, it will be no different. I personally think some vets on here should charge for there advice because they know the game better than anyone else...doubt you'll find many legitimate "coaches" that will coach you on how to take juice. That's just dumb to me. Theres plenty of guys on here who have ran more cycle than years you've been alive, doubt theres many "coaches" out there like that. Also, you're getting advice from not just one person who thinks they know everything, youre getting advice from multiple people who hold each others advice accountable.
Anyway, to answer your question, you have a rough cycle to start, you'll get some answers from vets on here but always remember to use the sight as a resource for finding things out on your own.
Solid advice bro
Where do I find coaches?
Yes, I would still advise dropping the tbol. With proper diet you can achieve everything you want with just the test. As a first cycle you need to know how you respond to just the testosterone, if there is an issue you will not know which compound is causing it. To that point, on subsequent cycles you should refrain from adding more than one new compound at a time.
AI dosage is ultimately a very personal thing and should be determined with bloodwork and appearance of side effects, that being said aromasin should be taken at least daily due to the half life of the drug. Start at 6.25 mg ED and adjust from there if needed.
Additionally your pct needs adjusted. The standard and widely accepted PCT recommended is clomid 100/100/50/50 and Nolva 40/40/20/20. You may also chops to run your aromasin through your cycle in which case it would look more like this : clomid 100/100/50/50, nolva 20/20/10/10 aromasin 12.5/12.5/6.25/6.25.
Good luck brother!
Solid advice again glad some of u guys on here have common sense
Get rid of the tbol and up the test to 500.
250 is basically a TRT dose. You do not need an oral on a first cycle, and it's not necessarily going to be the best for your goals.
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