posted Fri, 10/06/2017 - 19:06
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BULKING CYCLE - SUSTA350 DECA300
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STATS, DESCRIPTION, GOALS
32yrs, 200lbs, 8yrs lifting, 3rd cycle. Trying to add 10lbs of muscle after PCT.
My first two runs were purely TEST E cycles, just to test it out. I did Nolva only on my first 2 PCTs, That seemed to be working as i got my GF pregnant after the PCT.lol...
Let me know your thoughts on this bulking cycle
| Week | susta | deca | anadrol | adex | nol+clo |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 600 | 240 | 250 | 0.25eod | 000 |
| 2 | 600 | 240 | 250 | 0.25eod | 000 |
| 3 | 600 | 240 | 250 | 0.25eod | 000 |
| 4 | 600 | 240 | 250 | 0.25eod | 000 |
| 5 | 600 | 240 | 250 | 0.25eod | 000 |
| 6 | 600 | 240 | 000 | 0.25eod | 000 |
| 7 | 600 | 240 | 000 | 0.25eod | 000 |
| 8 | 600 | 240 | 000 | 0.25eod | 000 |
| 9 | 600 | 240 | 000 | 0.25eod | 000 |
| 10 | 600 | 240 | 000 | 0.25eod | 000 |
| 11 | 600 | 240 | 000 | 0.25eod | 000 |
| 12 | 600 | 240 | 000 | 0.25eod | 000 |
| 13 | 600 | 000 | 000 | 0.25eod | 000 |
| 14 | 600 | 000 | 000 | 0.25eod | 000 |
| 15 | 000 | 000 | 000 | 0.25eod | 000 |
| 16 | 000 | 000 | 000 | 0.25eod | 000 |
| 17 | 000 | 000 | 000 | 000 | 30+100 |
| 18 | 000 | 000 | 000 | 000 | 30+50 |
| 19 | 000 | 000 | 000 | 000 | 20+50 |
| 20 | 000 | 000 | 000 | 000 | 20+50 |
| 21 | 000 | 000 | 000 | 000 | 20+50 |
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Further to advice below;
Your front load of clomid is weak
You are frontlosding nolva which is wrong and pointless
You are using medication like caber in a way that will probably crash your prolactin. Your prolactin wont rise if you manage estrogen correctly
You are using arimidex in a way that will most likely crash your estrogen
You are adding both deca and an oral which isnt a great idea as you will not know which does what, nor will you be able to successfuly dial in a synergy should you need to pivot when on cycle
I see you disregarded liver advice below.... not good. I hate to break it to you but everything that runs through your organs will tax them in some way. Make a proper plan for liver, kidneys and heart
Biggest part of any cycle is diet and training... you havent mentioned either???
thanks for the info.. so anybody who is running 40 40 20 20 on nolva for pct has got it all wrong? i would agree that running both deca and oral was not a wise idea, should have ditched orals instead.
again, just had annual checkup and bloodwork done by primary doc beforehand. zero alchol and prescription med intake during cycle. also bought tudca, arriving tues. also a big fan of veggie juicing.
diet 40 40 20, aroung 2500-3000 cal. this macro ratio works for me the most. mostly, chx breast, tilapia, basmati, assrtd beans. typically what i eat off cycle, just stricter. water intake about 7-10 ltrs/day. training revolves around big 3, as i enjoy lifting heavy, 5 days/wk. imagine 5x5 mwf with accessories during tth. rides bicycle to and from work 8km one way.
Yeah if you ask me yes they have it wrong in the sense that although 40 works ot elicits no additional benefit than 20mg will do. If you read Scally's work he says 20mg. If you read any clinical studies on men it suggests 20mg max unless terminal cancer or post op breast removal etc. And if you read on effective dose there's no physical benefits to going over 20mgs i.e. benefits dont increase with the higher dosages. Im sure the 40mg came from the same place as caber advice and leprachauns. But if you ask in general around here or other forums people will say 40402020 tried and tested, which it is friendo, but they miss the point. The original nolv pct was always 20mg and i dunno maybe william llewelyn or some other scammer changed it!!
Go with your gut and listen to others too not just what i say. Your own research will steer you (check pharmacokinetics /dose /loading / tamoxifen for an idea.
A+ for tudca, moderate approach to cals (high reps need more cals) and general approach to fitness. Well done i like your style, keep learning
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ETA: when i say clomid frontload is weak, i mean it could be frontloaded more effectively. Reference Bill Roberts but weight up your personal reaction to clomid as a regulator
thanks for the advice brother, there seems to be a division on how much NOLVA to use on PCT. I will probably a lot more research towards the end of my cycle. Also decided to cut my ADEX from 0.5EOD to 0.25EOD. Will up the dosage as needed, otherwise, I will stay on a smaller dosage. Also, dropped the caber, will keep it on hand just in case it i get prolactin related problems.
I would agree on dropping Caber. Would keep HCG on hand just in case you balls shrink.
caber seems unnecessary at such a low deca dose. if you know you need it that is one thing but id leave it out till it was needed.
thanks, better safe than sorry imo. had gyno scare with test only cycle before
If you had a scare with gyno on a test only cycle that was estrogen produced, not from prolactin. Caber is a strong drug, I think you need to do a bit more research.
agreed, what meant is that i might be gyno prone either way.
Well either way I don't like the cycle. You're running the adrol too long, shouldn't be running it in the first place. You changed the cycle and now have the test and Deca stopping at the same time, I wouldn't do that, and you're planning to just take caber and there may not be any reason to. Anyway, good luck, hope you enjoy it
thanks for the suggestion. dropped the caber completely, see what happens. i have it on hand anyway, just in case prolactin sides act out. also meant to run DECA for 12wks and SUSTA for 14. my mistake, made corrections.
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You want ten pounds? 500mg Test. Dbol kicker if you wanna get wild. Dial that diet in and you'll be good.
thanks, just being realistic with expectations. again that is 10lbs muscle after PCT.
You have no experience with either deca or drol, choose one new compound per cycle, otherwise any side effects you get you won't know what is causing them or how to deal with them.
Cycle length is off, you're not going to get enough of a benefit from AAS due to how long they take to stabilize in your system and then how soon you come off.
Also, what the guys said below. Reconfigure this cycle to something better brother.
thanks for the info, already doing modifications on the cycle
Agree with below 100% I'm not a fan of your Deca cycle length. Also see zero point in raising your test dosage for the last two weeks
thanks for the info. i was trying to level .8g of total test intake per week. since i was only running deca for 10, figured i should raise the last two weeks to compensate
DECA at 8 weeks isn't long enough IMO. When I have ran DECA it doesn't even start to kick in good until about week 8. If it were myself I'd run it 14 weeks and the test for 16 weeks. I'd run a long ester test E or C also, but I guess sust if fine, you'll just need to pin yourself more often for no good reason really. I'd go 4 weeks max on an oral, especially adrol. Your liver is going to have enough after 4 weeks. I assume you started some TUDCA or some other liver supplement a few weeks before starting. You PCT shouldn't start so soon after your cycle, need to look into that a bit more. I don't like to use caber unless I need it, I let blood work dictate that, but if you know you're prone to prolactin issues go ahead, but I'd get bloods around week 5.
gotcha, thanks for the info. i’m running deca 10wks btw. Liver is probably fine as I am a big fan of veggie juicing, although I might consider supplements as well. also i dont take orals on the weekend just to give the liver a break. PCT will start 15 days after the last sust pin.
All other issues aside. Why bump it up to 840 for last 2 weeks
well, computation was made for 2 vials of sust350 and 1 deca300. weekly total test is about 800mg. ran deca 10weeks instead of 12 so i can immideatly start PCT after the last susta pin
Next time never compute based on what you have. Plan a cycle with dosages, and then buy what you need to fit the cycle plus extra in case something happens.
noted. modified the cycle accordingly