posted Wed, 02/24/2016 - 15:49
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STATS, DESCRIPTION, GOALS
6'3" 225 lbs. Not sure of my bf but I would guess about 13-14%. 46 years old. So far I have recovered well from the cycles I have run. My goal for this cycle is to shed some bf and gain about 10 lbs of lean muscle. This is a proposed cycle so I welcome feedback. I have done 4 cycles...all but one of which was test only at 500 mgs/wk. Last cycle was test cyp 500mgs/wk plus 40mgs/day of anavar as a finisher the last 4 weeks. I also was doing 2-3 iu's of pharma gh throughout. For this cycle I am thinking of test and primo, but have never done primo before so I'm not sure if my dose is enough to see the benefits. I'm not a BB, just a guy who wants to look and feel my best. Any and all feedback is welcome.
| Week | Test Cyp | Primo | HCG | Clomid | Nolvadex | Aromasin |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 400mg | 400mg | ||||
| 2 | 400mg | 400mg | ||||
| 3 | 400mg | 400mg | ||||
| 4 | 400mg | 400mg | 6.25mg eod | |||
| 5 | 400mg | 400mg | as needed | 6.25mg eod | ||
| 6 | 400mg | 400mg | 6.25mg eod | |||
| 7 | 400mg | 400mg | as needed | 6.25mg eod | ||
| 8 | 400mg | 400mg | 6.25mg eod | |||
| 9 | 400mg | 400mg | as needed | 6.25mg eod | ||
| 10 | 400mg | 400mg | 6.25mg eod | |||
| 11 | 400mg | 400mg | as needed | 6.25mg eod | ||
| 12 | 400mg | 400mg | 6.25mg eod | |||
| 13 | 400mg | 400mg | as needed | 6.25mg eod | ||
| 14 | 400mg | 400mg | 6.25mg eod | |||
| 15 | 400mg | 400mg | as needed | 6.25mg eod | ||
| 16 | 400mg | 400mg | 6.25mg eod | |||
| 17 | 1000 iu's eod | |||||
| 18 | 1000 iu's eod | |||||
| 19 | 100mg | 40 mg | as needed | |||
| 100mg | 40mg | as needed | ||||
| 50mg | 20mg | |||||
| 50mg | 20mg |
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hi bro ... a bit long as the cycle in my opinion but the amount of Primobol x weeks and more than enough
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Good luck on your run Rocket!!
rocketballzThanks man!!
You got the best backup below!
Pertaining to the myth compounds needing to be ran at a given high dose to reap the benefits...in my experience it's just not true. The AAS will always do it's job(providing it is what it claims). It's up to the person to do theirs by providing the right environment to grow, cut...whatever. An AK with a 30 clip will mow down 10 threats(beer bottles lol) just as well as an AK with a 100 round drum. I prefer using less ammo to get the job done!
Anyhow you look strong brother so enjoy your low dosed path to growth and enjoy!
rocketballzThanks for the input brother, it is much appreciated. And yes, "less is more" is one of my mantras, especially with things like AAS.
Do you know for sure you're prone to hair loss? Primo won't touch your hair but masteron and proviron will absolutely wreck it. If you're avoiding tren I would up the primo to 600mg. With 150mg/mL that's still only 2mL twice a week? With the test added that's less than 3mL easily fit into one glute shot. And I would add in anavar 60-80mg for the last 6 weeks personally and enjoy the side effect free cut
rocketballzLike I said below I don't have MPB but every couple years I notice my awesome hair getting a little thinner :). Im really digging what you said bro. With primo 150, 600mgs wouldn't be a horror show as far as pinning frequency and amount of oil. I just always see primo in 100mg/ml dosages and figured anything over 4 pins a week doesn't sound fun. Sending you a FR bro I have a question for you.
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RustyhookerNice!
I'm torn with this one R. Part of me says you can do this cheaper and probably more effectively with different compounds. Then another part also thinks there's no real reason why not, you'd get benefit from a primo cycle and I know from our past conversations you like to keep things low dose and low risk.
400mg of primo, I often read "it's a waste less than 800mg". I don't agree and I'd suggest anyone that has run 400mg of primo and felt it was a failure either got their game all wrong or, most likely, didn't actually get real primo. Would it be more effective at 600 / 800 / 1000? Yes, but at the dose stated its not "a waste".
The other thing here which you probably already found out is your success / failure on a primo run will be 95% about your diet. High protein, low carbs, real accurate nutritional control dictated by the mirror, tweaked regularly.
Like I said, I'm torn. Interested to see what ideas / perspectives get brought up in here.
rocketballzI'm starting this in mid to late March and will be in touch with you regarding my diet. I eat pretty clean as is but I am sure I can make some tweaks here and there to really make the most of the cycle. I am still undecided as to the dose but I think 400-500mgs of primo is where I am going to try. Thanks as always for the advice Cat.
I have to agree with Cat... 400mg/week isn't a waste and you don't need a ton of primo to see results. Would you see greater results at say 600? Sure but i don't think its necessary. You've already built a solid base which wouldn't have been positive without maintain a reasonably solid diet so as long as you stay the course, you should see results at that level.
I personally have run primo at 500mg several times using a source that doesd primo e at 250mg/ml but he's gone... I understand your concern with all that oil.
I have had no issues with hair loss on primo but mast was a bitch on my hairline. Probably won't run it again bc of this.
Given your goals and the fact that you've already used var, I'd add it for the last 6 week around 60-80mgs, depending on the quality of the var.
Good luck with your cycle pal.
Edit: one other consideration would be 25mg of proviron twice a day (50 mg total per day). Doing so will increase your free test and may eliminate the need for an ai. This is the case for me on 400mg of test/week or less.
Good post mate. Be good for you to do a write up on your primo experiences if you get chance. Agree on the use of proviron here too.
Thanks pal. I appreciate it. I'll try and put something together. Enjoyed every primo run I had. Expensive but worth it imo. Used the sponge's 250mg/ml primo e which made pinning easy. Experienced no pip at all...
rocketballzRight on brotha! As much as I want to try proviron I love my hair lol. But seriously I am not prone to MPB but every couple of years it seems my hairline is receding a bit and I don't want to make it worse. I'm 46 and figure if I am to be bald it would have happened by now...I hope lol. I like the idea of the var finisher because it worked soooo well my last run. I had never done var and had some of Swole's which if anyone has tried knows how good it is. I'll report back here when I start up sometime toward the end of March. Thanks for the feedback bro, it is much appreciated
No problem! I'm not prone to mpb either and fortunatly for me, the only aas that gave me noticeable hair loss was mast. I've had no issues w provi but I understand your hesitation. Just wanted to offer another alternative to an ai since your running a moderate dose of test.
Coincidentally, I ran Swole's var last year and loved it. Miss that source. Looking forward to seeing your update and how you react to moderate doses.
Be interesting for you to do a post cycle write up at that lower dose. There's a lot of bollocks talked about primo, often by people that have never run it.
rocketballzI'll definitely do that.
rocketballzOkay man you know I respect your wisdom. If primo came in higher dosages like 200-250mgs/ml I would probably go higher but it doesn't so that's a shit ton of pinning and I'm not really down for that. I too am interested in what others say. What are some of the other compounds you were thinking? I want to stay away from tren and I want to stay away from mast because I hear its a bitch on the hairline and I have great hair LOL. I'm not a big fan of orals either but I did like using anavar as a finisher. Man that stuff can really do wonders. Sorry to be picky about the compounds I am willing to use. As you said I prefer to keep it low to moderate dose, low risk (if possible) cycles. Thanks for the wisdom Cat!
RustyhookerI think he could run test/mast/ provi and gain better on the mass end. Diet will dictate everything.
rocketballzRusty - I've read up om masteron. Why do you like it better than primo? Because I do believe its a viable alternative, but I've read mast also has more negative sides like hair loss, etc.
RustyhookerDht can cause hair loss so if that is a worry, then modify your current options. Catalyst would be one of the guys to run your diet by to get the most out of your cycle. The guys on point with food and gym love primo.
I like masteron for hardening, aggression, and mild ai. Dht can add muscle but its not a ton like test or deca.
Eq is another personal favorite but the cycle will be long as well.
rocketballzOkay thanks Rusty. You're not my favorite but you do know your shit LOL!! I also know you're a mast guy so thanks for the heads up on the sides. I will mull these options over for a few weeks then make a decision. If I can get primo 150 then 600mgs/wk is definitely a possibility. Thanks again my dood
RustyhookerLol....no need for favorites. Its who's gonna have your back when crap falls apart.
Doesn't Rusty know about your great hair? ;)
RustyhookerFashion faux pas. My err. Lol
rocketballzApparently not LOL
Just curious why only 400mg if primo? I've had my best results with primo at 800 mg with 300 test. I was about 9% Bf. By week 13-14 is when I started to see changes.
rocketballz800 is alot of oil and alot of pinning and I just don;t want to do that. I'm 46 and just thinking about that much oil clogs my arteries lol. I'm just looking to see if 400 is enough to see some results since I will be spending a small fortune buying it. Thx dude
Well the only way you'll know if 400 is going to work is if you try it. Like cat said above, you are going to have to be spot on with your diet, that means keeping a daily log and adjusting as needed. If you are not willing to take it to that level, a primo run is going to be a disapointment and an expensive lesson learned. I think there are cheaper and probably more effective compounds out there for what you are trying to achieve.
I am running 800mg of it right now and it is probably the best I have ever felt on cycle. I could see maybe getting away with 600mg, I just wouldn't be real confident in expected results running it at 400mg.