posted Fri, 07/10/2015 - 14:44
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+ 3 2nd cycle Any input and suggestion welcomed
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STATS, DESCRIPTION, GOALS
28 years old 5 9 with 90 kg and 12 % fat
I have run a test and dbol cycle and worked great for me. Trying to gain muscle. i am prone to gyno so arimidex is always in stock. i am planning to use test and tbol in this cycle.
any help will be highly appreciated.
my diet is quite clean so far taking 4500-5000 calories a day. Mainly
Chicken, brown rice, oatmeals, Fruits, veggies, Yougurt, protein powder supplements, omega 3 and 6 vitamins.
my training is 5 time a week. doing cardio 3 times a week. moderate intensity and average volume.
approx 10/13 sets per training day, rep range is 6-10
| Week | Test E | prop taper | prop kicker | clomid | nolvadex | arimidex |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 500mg | 100mg | 0.25mg every day | |||
| 2 | 500mg | 100mg | 0.25mg every day | |||
| 3 | 500mg | 100mg | 0.25mg every day | |||
| 4 | 500mg | 100mg | 0.25mg every day | |||
| 5 | 500mg | 0.25mg every day | ||||
| 6 | 500mg | 0.25mg every day | ||||
| 7 | 500mg | 0.25mg every day | ||||
| 8 | 500mg | 0.25mg every day | ||||
| 9 | 500mg | 0.25mg every day | ||||
| 10 | 500mg | 0.25mg every day | ||||
| 11 | 500mg | 0.25mg every day | ||||
| 12 | 500mg | 0.25mg every day | ||||
| 13 | 100mg eod | 0.25mg every day | ||||
| 14 | 75mg eod | 0.25mg every day | ||||
| 15 | 50mg eod | 0.25mg every day | ||||
| 16 | 100mg | 50mg | ||||
| 17 | 100mg | 50mg | ||||
| 18 | 50mg | 20mg | ||||
| 19 | 50mg | 10mg |
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I would ditch the sust and just use test e or c. If you are looking to kick the cycle off, I would go with test again and do a prop kicker and ditch the tbol. Kind of concerned with your goal. In a perfect world that would be everyones goal and it would be easy to do. The problem is we live in the real world here and gaining significant amounts of muscle and losing fat at the same time is like pissing into the wind. Not recommended. You want to gain mass which requires caloric surplus and you want to lose fat which requires a calorie deficit. See the conundrum here. Pick one or the other and use your cycle to maximize its potential.
How many years have you been seriously lifting for? You are able to get away with only 10-13 sets total for each workout? I would be out of the gym in under 20mins with that volume for a workout.
zenshyes i have changed sust to test E. how many dosages and length would u recommend me for prop kicker if i drop tbol? i will focus on gaining mass and switched my goal to gaining muscle. will also bump the calories to 4500-5000 a day. yes you are right sir, my training volume is kind a slow i guess but since i am a construction worker i put lot of work in my profession too. your advice is very precious. i highly recommend it sir, how much volume will u recommend?
and i have been lifting for more than 6 years. but more seriously i would say 2 and half years
Prop kicker I would run 100mg EOD for first 4 weeks. I would also keep the prop taper in there but I wouldn't step the dosages down each week. I would just run the taper 100mg EOD throughout.
Here are some routines that should give you an idea of workouts. There are lots of others in the training/diet section so take a look there to see what interests you. Even though you have a streneous job, you still need to up the intensity/volume in the gym. You just need to eat more calories to make up for your streneous job so that you have enough cals available for growth..
https://www.eroids.com/forum/training-nutrition-diet/workout-exercise/pa...
https://www.eroids.com/forum/training-nutrition-diet/workout-exercise/ge...
zenshi changed tbol to 4 weeks prop kicker. thanks a lot sir, Your advice and posts are very helpful to me
rocketballzYour pct is a little fucked up and personally I wouldn't use sust for a 2nd cycle. Too many moving parts for a newb, imo. Tbol is better than dbol if you're prone to gyno and estro sides. You won;t get crazy gains with it but you won;t hold much, if any, water, and its great for strength gains. Think about doing a prop taper at the end of this cycle. It's pretty easy to do and you won;t have to wait 2-3 weeks to start pct, if done correctly. +1 for putting yourself out there
zenshthanks again bro for taking your time..
nice advice so what dosages would u recommend me for end of cycle prop taper if i run it with test E
rocketballzSay you are doing a 12 week cycle of enth or cyp. On the start of week 13 I stopped the longer esters and started the prop. I did 100 mg prop eod for one week then 75 mgs eod for 1 week, then 50 mg eod for a week for a total of 15 weeks. Wait 3-4 days then start PCT.
zenshOk brother, i have now planned exactly what you said
Prop taper after Test E and will do PCT 3-4 days after prop taper. also changed sustanon to test E