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  • Edit 12 week cycle Dbol + Test P + Npp + Test E

  • krakhedz   •   Sat, Jul 28th, '18 13:25   •   50 replies, 542 views

Cycle layout

WeekTestosterone EnanthatePregnylNolvadex
1500mg500UI
2500mg500UI
3500mg500UI
4500mg500UI
5500mg500UI
6500mg500UI
7500mg500UI
8500mg500UI
9500mg500UI
10500mg500UI
11500UI
12500UI
13500UI20mg
14500UI20mg
1520mg
1620mg
1720mg

Description, concerns and expectations

Trying to get some opinions on my coming up 12 week cycle cycle. I wanted to cut a bit more before I did, but due to time constraints, i will have to start early AUGUST. I have a few questions, would npp be best running at 8 weeks at 150 or 12 weeks 100? And should I use the rest of my test p as a finisher weeks 13-14 at 100 EOD?

1-6wk- Dbol 60 MG daily split into 3 servings of 20mg
1-4wk- Test P 100 iu EOD
1-12wk-Test E 250 iu twice a week, mon And thurs
1-8wk- NPP 150 EOD
1-14wk- HCG 250 iu twice a week, mon and thurs
1-14wk- ARIMIDEX . 5 MG EOD

? MAYBE? 13-14wk- test p 100 eod

15-17- Clomid and Nolvadex pct ED

Age-34
Height - 5'10
Weight- 230.1 lb
Experience - 1 cycle test E 12 week, 1 cycle Dbol kick, Test E, Hcg, 12 week
Neck- 18"
Waist- 35.5“
Hips-39"
Wrists- 7.5“
Forearms-13"
Biceps-17“
Ankles- 10“
Calves- 16"
Chest- 45"
Glutes- 44"
Quads 27.5

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  • jayisk's picture
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  • jayisk
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10" ankles.., ur a beast. No testicle measurement?
No homo.., but it would help us all at.., oh and if you have any pics of midget tyrannies.., would help your karma

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X2 will be needing girth and length measurements if he wants the community to help him.

Midget tyrannies optional but encouraged.

  • jayisk's picture
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Ah, wise man. I forgot girth and length measurements also help determine the length of his cycle.
He may want to add birth control pills to the cycle.. The estrogen will help those ankles go from 10 in to at least 11 1/2. 12 with a pump.

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jesus buddy hahahahahaha

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  • Drock_357
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Considering your goal of adding some strength, why not just consider a test, provi cycle? ...500 mg test wk to get you in an anabolic state and improve recovery, some provi to help free up test later in the cycle, and a proper amount of carbs should do just what you’re looking for....no need for anything else imo.....just my 2pennies

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I was actually considering that. Loved my past cycles with those two. But I wanted to use npp for its joint healing effects, though the research seems inclusive. Some people claim it made their joints feel great others claimed no effect. I'm curious if it really does help.

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Well I definitely wouldn’t be using any nandrolone simply for joint relief...all the potential extra issues it might bring just isn’t worth the risk...at the dose you have npp at, that’s much more than just a therapeutic dose I believe....

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^^^^+2. Masking effects.

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Hmmm so forgive my ignorant monkey brain, but I thought it helped repair collagen in your joints?

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Monkeybrain, yes. Npp/deca adds water to the jojnts to relieve pain. But its not fixing anything. It gives a sedative like effect MASKING the fact that damage is at an accelerated rate. Its AT an accelerated rate because you cannot feel the pain or discomfort, thus pushing harder in the gym.

Then you come off cycle and the hidden injuries are apparent. Unless you rip and tear during cycle which is obvious. Its like taking a pain killer then lifting. Catch the drift?

So the better questions are, whats the injuries and how to hit goals with none?

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Interesting. I definitely don't want to cover or mask my injuries. I'm old as is and only getting older. My career definitely doesn't help with it. But I thought several clinical studies actually used this for rehabilitation purposes?

My injuries? Left shoulder has had two full dislocations, right ankle was had a grade 3 sprain with ligament tears, my right shoulder had a impingement, right calf has fragmented shrapnel, and recently I pinched a few nerves in my neck, causing my right shoulder and right arm to lose feeling. And my elbows have been shot for sometime due to training.

Some of the things I've found about npp and deca that caught my eye :

Deca @ 3 mg/kg a week(about 270 mg/wk for a 200 lb male) will increase procollagen III levels by 270% by week 2. Procollagen III is a primary indicator used to determine the rate of collagen syn. As you can see, deca is a very good drug at giving you everything you want -- an increase in collagen syn, an increase in skeletal muscle, and increases in bone mass and density.

Initially, nandrolone was used in the treatment of a huge variety of diseases and conditions, where it proved itself to be effective. Just to list some of these, nandrolone can be beneficial for osteoporosis, breast cancer, burns, injury healing, and growth deficiency in children. In fact, clinical studies showed that nandrolone produced considerable regressions in women with carcinomas.

What’s more, considering the great potential of adding lean mass, nandrolone was used particularly often to prevent muscle degeneration caused by atrophy or wasting syndromes related to HIV/AIDS, chronic debilitating diseases, major surgery, and severe trauma.

However, over the years, the US FDA has been shortening the list of diseases where nandrolone’s use is allowed for treatment. These days, nandrolone is only prescribed to treat anemic patients and those suffering wasting syndromes, especially HIV/AIDS related.

Interestingly, there is yet another medical benefit that is often reported by those using nandrolone – immune system enhancement. According to anecdotal evidence, nandrolone greatly improves the immune system, and it is therefore often employed as a supporting agent.

Regarding the medical use of deca durabolin or NPP, deca was always the most popular of the two, since it allows to make less frequent injections, which is a very important aspect for most patients. Nonetheless, NPP has the advantage of a faster action that is so necessary in cases of clinical emergencies, where immediate results are needed.

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Yes, yes. But with injuries and possible masking on a deca run.... look at eq and anavar and hgh. Which is why folks below kept poking at you on picking your goal. Var kills my appetite...great on cutting. Eq if i dont eat properly, will boost appetite. If bulking... ghrp6 boosts appetite.

Folks run low 150mg deca to mask tgeir old joint soreness. But risks further injury and you wont feel it til its late. Switching from power lifting towards bodybuilding and volume has eased my joints.

Hgh when i was young, was prescribed during rehab after acl surgeries. Until declared a growth enhancer by the president. Then the sports med community wasnt about to lose a license regardless of faster joint healing.

Then toss up the tb500....

But ya know...im still a fucking bully so do your own research.... then try finding folks on here that help as much

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See I would like to mess with hgh, but I have no experience with it. And for what I've been told it's $$$$. But I'll have to take a look into all of that, more research, more pros and cons, and decide which is the way to go.

Hey man, I really do appreciate all the info. It's a plus when someone will actually share the knowledge needed.

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Better attitude....better info.

Welcome to eroids!

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Been a member since 2013. I know, I know. I'm always open to opinions and different takes on things. Just not a fan of someone coming on a forum, just to troll. Hell it's one of the main reasons I stopped using eroids a few years back. Trying to see if things have changed.

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Trying to troll? Hahaha! Given your replies.....
Maybe you see it from our side now?

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Yeah I know. Haha

  • Drock_357's picture
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Yup..it could cause more harm than good

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Definitely appreciate your input. I'm going to have to get to the books and do some more research.

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Excellent idea!..... I’m sure you will find all kinds of studies that support nandrolone use in a therapeutic setting, but they may not cover the whole “deca dick” issues that nandrolone brings along with it... I can’t tell you how many posts I’ve seen when the op has libido, erection problems while on a nandrolone in my short three yrs here....that alone would be enough to deter most people rite there....he’ll i was one of those people awhile back and thot I had it all figured out, ran a test deca cycle and week 6 I believe, boom!... no erection no nothing! ..... was running my test at 2:1 , using caber, E2 was was in check but that shit still bit me in the balls!, literally.... took months to finally get back to normal.....anyway that’s my experience with it and if it were me I would find alternative methods of joint relief besides nandrolone.... if you do use it I say be prepared for the worst hope for the best

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Yeah theirs quite a few, think I've read a few hundred by now, well skimmed lol. Well like I said I'm old and beaten up. I've had Ed since I was 28, been prescribed to those beautiful blue diamonds ever since. I've noticed from other cycles Hcg has always helped out alot, hell the crap made my Ex hate my cum loads, guess to much is to much.

Damn, I'm sorry to hear that. Are you 100% now? What was your doses? You were only into week 6 when that happened?
Well you did what you could, besides the ai I would of added the Hcg. But alot of people don't seem to use it. We all know the risks of these compounds, just prep the best you can.

Mine wasn't caused by any cycles believe it or not. The docs couldn't figure out what was going on. Took numerous hormonal tests, lipid panels etc. I was pretty damn healthy to. Running 12 miles a day in the morning, lunch hitting the gym heavy for 2 hours, then after work rolling on the mats for another 2-3. They couldn't find the cause.

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Yah I’m back to normal, that was a few yrs ago..won’t go near that shit again.......I was dosing at 300wk, shuts you down hard for sure!....well good luck to you bud, stay safe....

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  • alekaras
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If I where you id keep test at 250-300 pw lift heavy ,nail my diet as best as I can and make cardio my best friend !! as it mentioned below @19bf bulk is a bad idea!

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Are you saying 250-300 dose or per week?

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per week buddy !!

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Gotcha, appreciate the input.

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  • krakhedz
  • 6 months ago

I think I'll remove the test p Kickstart, and just use Dbol. Then use Test P cutoff at week 13—14 before pct.

1-6wk- Dbol 60 MG daily split into 3 servings of 20mg
1-8wk- NPP 150 EOD
1-12wk-Test E 250 iu twice a week, mon And thurs
13-14wk- Test P 100 iu EOD
1-14wk- HCG 250 iu twice a week, mon and thurs
1-14wk- ARIMIDEX . 5 MG EOD
15-17wk-PCT Clomid and Nolvadex

  • alekaras's picture
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look buddy I dont wanna sound like a dick its your body ...but at that high bf with that wet compounds you must be a pro in the kitchen to avoid the Michelin man look !! just my opinion,good luck stay safe!!

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  • press1
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All these people claiming to be powerlifters coming on here lately but seem to have such limited knowledge on steroids, dosages and which to use. A lot of this is basic knowledge in powerlifting gyms...Don't think a lot of them have a clue what they are talking about.

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Those people claim powerlifter for an excuse to be fatasses and then say "I'm a powerlifter so I can be over 20% bf." Then the ones that also claim powerlifter taking tren and winny and all these cutting roids talking about losing weight.....smdh.