+ 3 SwoleOil Test Cypionate Labs: 6 weeks
500mg/ week after 6 weeks
3-4 weeks in, I started to get puffy nips, and had to start up Aromasin (swole's). Started at 6.25 mg /day and puffiness didn't subside after a couple days so I increased to 12.5/ day. This also didn't do the trick so now i have been on 25mg aromasin / day split into morning and night doses. I have been doing this for about a week and a half, and then got my labs drawn. Problem is, I still have small "dime" diameter lumps in both my nipples. Not sure what to do about it, since my labs show reasonable estrogen levels......
I am leaning out a bit and have put on a couple pounds of muscle, but am not sure if i need to try arimidex, or even letro.... Also, my liver enzymes seem a little high, may try TUDCA, and up my water intake. Any input is much appreciated!
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just got my Ralox and Arimidex care-package, Thanks again swole. Ill report back. Ill drop the aromasin, and start the Ralox at 60mg per day. Should I start the Arimidex at the same time? maybe .5mg. Ill have to feel it out
Pick a dose and run it for 3-4 weeks. Then do bloods and adjust as needed. That's how the trt clinic did it.
will do exactly that, thanks
OG thanks for chiming in on this post ... it certainly clears a lot up. no/low AI in the first 4-6 weeks changes everything
Everybody is different. If he had no ai for the first 3-4 weeks and he is a high estro converter when he did start the ai his estro could have been pegged. Then he started the aromasin at 6.25mg once a day but aromasin has a short half life and needs to be taken twice a day. So even when he started it was only in him a half day at a time. I'm sure at 12.5mg twice a day another blood test will show even lower estro but the estro now is within range after 1 and a half weeks at 12.5mg twice a day. The op does have a pack of raloxafine and a pack of adex shipping to him but I would hate to see him crash his estro for too much ai. At this point I think 6.25mg twice a day should be the dose since the estro is in range. He didn't develop the lump in the week and a half of aromasin but more than likely in the first 4-6 weeks of no or not enough ai.
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I do that a lot. Type a bunch of stuff but I delete it before I hit send. Send me a pm.
Thanks for the help swole!
Sent you a FR. Not gonna clog your thread up. Accept it if you want and I'll shoot some friendly advice your way during my lunch break
accepted, thanks in advance!
Some of us are just more gyno estro prone I've used his aromasin n plenty others works good but u just gotta use more than others I've had to use 25 mg a day just to keep the bloat n gyno down but u might be better with adex if it gets too costly with the aromasin
This is why you use PHARMA grade support. It's dirt cheap and can be had even domestic now.
Pharma grade product is acceptable from 85%-99% purity. I think we fall in that catagory.
That is true. I'm not doubting your product swole. My point is when you can use actual human grade product made in an fda approved lab.. Why not ?
rocketballzArimidex is the tried and true AI. For some reason Swole's aromasin didn't work with me either. According to his labs tho the stuff is 98% pure. I came to the conclusion that aromasin doesn't work for everyone. I switched to adex which got rid of the gyno. Adex and aromasin act through different mechanisms so I think that's why it doesn't work for everyone. Good luck bro.
"According to his labs tho the stuff is 98% pure" Bro how old is that list on his SI page....because if he had 98% pure and that guy took 25mg his estro would be TANKED....Guys get new batches of raw powder every month or 2 so it changes....Its like when a guy has a bottle of test pass at 90% pure m6 months ago and guys buy his stuff saying oh yea it was 90% pure well guess what 6 months have passed chances are his raws have changed you know what im saying =)
1 kilogram of aromasin raws is 1000 gms.
1000 gms is 1,000,000 mgs. At 12.5mgs per tab that would make 80,000 tabs. At 50 tabs per pack that's 1600 packs. Still using that same pack of raws.
rocketballzYa I'm just quoting from his si. I assume it's updated but I guess, according to you, it's not. It's all good man.
I know brother I was just trying to inform anyone wondering the same thing as you...=) if I came off rude Im sorry its just the way I type I meant it with full respect
rocketballzAll good
Hey Tmaxx-
Do you have other tests done in the past that you can compare this to for your estro/AI combo?
I'm one of these guys that needs a high dose of AI to keep things in check. I've never had gyno, but used to run a lot of tests like the one you just posted. For me, I'd be dosing Aro the same as you are right now on the Aro. Not sure why it is, it could be just me, but I've also read about HCG and even GH potentially driving up estro. I use 250 iu HCG on Mon and 250 on Thur, and 2 iu GH 6 days on/1 off. Anywho- I used to always think I was getting low dosed aro, but I've come to realize it's probably just me and perhaps the other things I'm doing (like HCG).
On cruise dose 200 mg test/week, I run 12.5 mg Aro everyday.
When I'm cycling, I run 25 mg Aro every day.
I haven't tried Swoles Aro, but I've tried 3 others so far. Working my way to try Swole's when I burn through what I've got now.
I have never cycled before, so no previous tests on cycle. But off cycle my estro levels are always in normal range, and I have never had any gyno previously. I haven't taken my hcg, luckily because that would probably make this issue worse.
Low dose Nolva makes lumps go away. Same as what Trenboss is getting at
AnonRun a serm like ralox to get rid of the gyno. No reason to tank your estro anymore. Liver enzymes are fine, be that high just from hard workout
ok cool, but my only concern is that ill still need to run this dose of aromasin, even after using the ralox. How low of a dose of ralox would you all recommend, and for how long? just until the lump disappears?
If after a week and a half of 25mg/day aromasin, and my blood tests are still showing estro at 33, if I take less aromasin, it will only get higher....
Anon60mg a day. Order some adex and just use the aromasin til it comes in
will do, thanks
Livers enzymes are a lil high too. Are you using Milk Thisle and Liv.52 ? That will bring em down. On the dose u r on they shouldn't be that elevated.
agreed, not too sure why they are that high either....already getting my milk thistle through Cycle Support, but will def pick up the Liv 52
thanks
Ive read ths that milk thistle will raise estrogen.
Only high as the dose youy're on is not high....however, the test levels are GREAT! Swole makes good stuff! lol
man 25mg aro a day and your estro is not tanked on 500mg test???well you seem 2 be very estro prone because a lot of guys don't need 2 run ai on 500mg of test now either your estro is super high or your aromisn is under dosed because 25mg ED should tank your estrogen no doubt....I would possibly invest in another AI....and just a tip there is another test you can have performed which will tell you your actual test number and not 1500 because you could be at 1502 for all we know ....Tired if I missed something my bad brotha
I agree my estrogen would be tanked on 25mgs. Someting ain't right here.
yup, my next blood test will be the more comprehensive one for sure. I didn't know about that limit on the numbers. But yea i'm surprised my estrogen isn't tanked by now as well. I don't see why I should have lumps either.... maybe ill switch to arimidex?
try switching 2 arimidex if I had 2 guess bro your aromisn is under dosed(or your a non responder)....Its pretty typical with that choice of AI its expensive powder.....There are some pros on here about gyno I have never had the joy of getting gyno =)
i can't think of any pros about having gyno lol. do I run the arimidex alongside aromasin or just switch to it exclusively?
Hey i hav some gyno exp
nolvadex really shrunk the shit outa my flare up since then its has shrunk alot but i still feel a small gushy gland there tho
Sorry I worded that wrong =) I meant pro's like professionals on here that know a lot more about gyno than I.....No get the arimidex then drop the aromisn see if that helps....
no prob haha thanks
your ast and alt is high but its nothing everything is ok, you can use tudca 250mg ed, and repeat liver test for 2 weeks should be in norm.
thanks for the input, what would your approach be to the lumps? I've been on 25mg aromasin /day for about 2 weeks. I figured they would have disappeared by now...
is there a consensus on which TUDCA source is best? I figure there has to be a certain company that everyone trusts.
Is this swoles aromasin? I cant imagine anyone needing 25mgs of aromasin on 500mgs of cyp a week. We're all different but 6.25 keeps me in range on 750.
Edit: nvm I see you stated it swoles. Really cant imagine him putting out anything bad. Dont know what to tell you man. Ive never heard of anyone needing more then 12.5 ed on that dose of test. There might be some people out there but ive never seen or heard of them.
i know, i am just as confused. I kept reading how i need to be careful with aromasin, especially swole's. Now I am double dosing basically, and still have lumps. makes no sense to me. arimidex/letro necessary?
I'm kinda at a loss on this one. Swole puts out good products. If it was anyone else's I would say it's 100% underdosed. Maybe it is. Do you have any other ai on hand?
i have some OG PES Erase, but I doubt that would make any difference. I still trust swoles gear, i must just be a non-responder or something. I'll have to order some arimidex from swole when he opens up on thursday.
I woould make moves a lot quicker then that. Grab some from the top rated reseach chem company they will have it to you by Tuesday, your looking at 2 weeks if you wait for swole and by then you could have b cups lol.
good call, pm sent