Daayum! So now ive started my cycle and 4th week in using 500mg of test e i should just cut my cycle short? Say 12 weeks?
Even tho i have 20ml of eq 250, A gram of dbol and another 30ml or more of test e 250? Should i just grab some test prop and run it to 14 weeks then straight onto pct? Suggestions are welcome bro
Yeh thanks for taking a karma point and preventing me from giving karma to zewi and the guys actually offering advice! Ive listened and learnt fool ill be updating the log when i get on the laptop later. Pls remove the negative karma strike as its really not any use wat so ever! Espescially to the other guys deserving my karma
easy bud... any body could have taken that karma point. they got some snob mofos around this mug that will gank you just because they disagree with your post. fast isn't that type of dude. he's more apt to help you than hurt you bro.
besides, you can't give karma til you're at 50 anyways brotha. so don't sweat it. if you show some willingness to learn and accept both criticism and advice, you'll get your karma.
'edit' for some reason i keep double posting even tho im not meaning too!? dang..
anyways! i cant get hold of tbol or winstrol and will leave my dbol for the nxt cycle or feed it to my dog lol! hes only little and the bitch nxtdoor keeps jumpin on his back its doing wonders to his confidence!
ok so ive decided to cut out the dbol after pretty much everyone says thats a bad idea! and have adjusted my graph what do you guys think now? ps altho 'cutting/bulking' are obviously 2 terms most relevant when it comes to types of cycles im not phased at which one my cycle most compares too! i dont want to gain a massive amount of lard and i dont want veins popping out my teeth! i want to increase my strength as much as possible and have opted for EQ over something like TREN just because at the time of ordering my goods this is all i could afford and had available to me! now these are the compounds i have on hand and i will be running the eq. maybe i'll buy another vial or test e and eq.. but NO to prop! i hate injecting and plan to do it as little as possible.... right now im injecting test E every 5 days at 1.5ml 250mg
i feel a sense of deja vu here.. eq is a waste at the duration you have there. you need to run it for at least 16 weeks. this is your second cycle, so you shouldn't be running a cycle for this long, and should still be using test only. and AI IS NOT AN AS NEEDED THING!!
everyone wants to jump the gun and try to one up their previous cycle and stack shit they have no business stacking. 2nd cycle: test only with a prop taper. people fail to realize the potential with manipulating test only cycles. if you hate injecting, then maybe sustanon would be most ideal for you.
My nipples feel fine im feeling strong and already suffer joint pain! I really dont want the discomfort of extremely low estro and im not trying to obtain the dry look.. What about ai every few days or a minimum dosage ed? Could u recommend something
the thing is: test aromatizes in the body. as time passes and levels rise, the potential of aromatization increases. this is one thing that is unavoidable without the help of an acillary. i am with you on not getting e2 too low. adex at .25 e3d should be fine. this will help you gain control over your e2 before it gets too high. too high yeilds a host of sides that you want to avoid, and so does low levels. by week 3 of test e you will want to be incorporating you AI, and run it throughout the cycle.
what week are you in now? you may wanna consider some preliminary blood work to gauge where your levels are currently.
You need a minimum of 600mg per week of EQ for at least 14 weeks I've run it at that dose and time frame with awesome results and under Zewi's advice too. His advice made all the difference in my cycle and I'm no noob either. Start EQ from week 1 as well. Drop the dbol especially at the end of the cycle run tbol or winstrol for better results imo. PCT also needs to start 2 weeks after your last test e injection and clomid and nolva need to be taken ED not EOD.
Bro just run the test e at 500 mg for 12 weeks, get some prop to taper at the end and to lead straight into pct. You're already at week 3 so it should be hitting peak levels in the next week or so and gains should come provided you're eating enough calories. You're wasting your time and money with the other stuff. Just because you're adding more compounds doesn't mean more gains especially the way you're planning to use them. And 20 weeks is too long without EQ, gains would slow down way before that.
PCT is ok, though you can probably get away with using less clomid. At least I would, clomid sides are fucked.
First of all EQ would be a waste for 12 weeks, get more of it, never run D-bol at the end, its to watery run tbol or anvar instead. However, i hope you havent started the cycle.. YOU NEVER START A CYCLE UNTIL EVERYHTING IS HAND people screw up their cycle all the time because of this.
However, IMO if you were going to run a Test E , EQ , DBOL cycle it would look like this for bulking..
1-4 Test P @ 100mg EOD--IF YOU HAVE ANY YOU DONT HAVE TO HAVE IT..
1-4 Dbol @ 50mg ED
1-16 Test E @ 500mg a week
1-16 EQ @ 600mg a week
15-18 Test p @ 100mg EOD
start PCT 3 days later...
If you dont have test p
1-4 Dbol @ 50mg ED
1-18 Test E @ 500mg a week
1-18 EQ @ 600mg a week
star PCT 21-24 days after last shot
IMO its always good to have atleast Test P on hand to finsih with any cycle, so your starting PCT 3 days after last shot, and a better recovery IMO--instead of having to wait a few weeks.
so, you're wanting to run what appears to be a mild cutter mid-cycle and then bulk towards the end? how many cycles you have under your belt brother?
i'd drop the dbol all together. what you have here makes no sense.. drop the dbol bro. add in some prop 100/eod wk 1-4 and wk 20-23. run eq from the start and run it at least 16 weeks. push that pct back to 3 days after last prop pin. your pct doesn't necessarily need to be 5 weeks. and where's your AI?
from the looks of this, i'd say you're on cycle 1-3 with minimal experience and knowledge.. if this is your first cycle, drop the eq and dbol. adopt test e 500/wk for 12 weeks, and run a prop taper 100/eod wk 13-15. then start pct 3 days after last prop pin and cut the pct compound doses in half. DON'T FORGET YOUR AI!!
The dbol is to keep my anobolic levels up.. Im vry prone to being thin and am already extremely vascularity! Are u guys keeping in mind im only 72 kilos!? 200pound guys in their 5th cycle would run 600mg eq! Im only small and no im not tryin to get cut or bulk im trying to gain as much strength and endurance and keeo my gains. Youre all right this is my second cycle im only a noob but here to learn! Thanks for the help
Completely agree Dossier...not only should the EQ be at least 16 wks but there is a significant difference in what you get out of eq at a dose of 600/wk. Once you get yohr EQ straight yohr vascularity should be great towards the end but you decided to throw dbol at the end. If your dead set on dbol, then run it as a kucker up front and pinish with prop as.dossier said to keep the vascularity.
I would save the dbol and eq for another cycle, just run a 12 week test e cycle. Starting a cycle without everything on hand or a proper plan and set goals is just asking for trouble. What AI are you running.
Your too late to put the EQ in bro. If you run a test only and up your calories until you put on 15 pounds then reduce calories to maintenance levels and train hard using calories and training to stay at that weight then when you come off you will maintain most of what you have gained provided proper pct is run. Or you could simply bulk and try to keep what you can. Use your adex now bro 0.25 e3d, it will help you stay dry and stop estro robbing you of strength. Either way you are wasting gear and cash running eq at a low dose for such a short period. Dbol dosnt go at the end of any cycle.
I wonder if increasing the doses towards the end like this will cause me to crash and burn once i finally come off cycle! Im prone to depression have been through alot of bullshit so hopefully the results are enough to keep me happy til my nxt cycle.
by the way if id had the products on hand i would have started with dbol and eq but i didnt have em and initially planned to just run a test only cycle... so.. due to being 3 weeks into the cycle i obviously cant start the eq 1st week :/ so figured id start 4th or 5th week at 400mg for 12 weeks. as ive heard using it for under 10 weeks is jsut a waste and also i dont wanna be using a gram of gear a week lol! im only a little fella
by the way if id had the products on hand i would have started with dbol and eq but i didnt have em and initially planned to just run a test only cycle... so.. due to being 3 weeks into the cycle i obviously cant start the eq 1st week :/ so figured id start 4th or 5th week at 400mg for 12 weeks. as ive heard using it for under 10 weeks is jsut a waste and also i dont wanna be using a gram of gear a week lol! im only a little fella
For one, the EQ should start week one due to the fact that it takes the longest to kick in and the dbol will jumpstart your cycle so you start gaining in the first couple weeks before the test e kicks in and you can keep those gains throughout because the test e has kicked in later on.....so dbol at the end when your test e and EQ are already working strong is basicly a waste....I strongly suggest you do a lot of research before you cycle again....the only thing I see correct on this cycle is running the test e a couple weeks past the EQ due to EQ'S long half-life.
Your eq schedule isn't good at all! Zewi posted the proper cycle
AnonSry mate i appreciate ur help!
Dbol at end will be bad...you'll turn into water baloon.
AnonDaayum! So now ive started my cycle and 4th week in using 500mg of test e i should just cut my cycle short? Say 12 weeks?
Even tho i have 20ml of eq 250, A gram of dbol and another 30ml or more of test e 250? Should i just grab some test prop and run it to 14 weeks then straight onto pct? Suggestions are welcome bro
AnonYeh thanks for taking a karma point and preventing me from giving karma to zewi and the guys actually offering advice! Ive listened and learnt fool ill be updating the log when i get on the laptop later. Pls remove the negative karma strike as its really not any use wat so ever! Espescially to the other guys deserving my karma
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkAnoneasy bud... any body could have taken that karma point. they got some snob mofos around this mug that will gank you just because they disagree with your post. fast isn't that type of dude. he's more apt to help you than hurt you bro.
besides, you can't give karma til you're at 50 anyways brotha. so don't sweat it. if you show some willingness to learn and accept both criticism and advice, you'll get your karma.
Anon'edit' for some reason i keep double posting even tho im not meaning too!? dang..
anyways! i cant get hold of tbol or winstrol and will leave my dbol for the nxt cycle or feed it to my dog lol! hes only little and the bitch nxtdoor keeps jumpin on his back its doing wonders to his confidence!
Anonok so ive decided to cut out the dbol after pretty much everyone says thats a bad idea! and have adjusted my graph
what do you guys think now? ps altho 'cutting/bulking' are obviously 2 terms most relevant when it comes to types of cycles im not phased at which one my cycle most compares too! i dont want to gain a massive amount of lard and i dont want veins popping out my teeth! i want to increase my strength as much as possible and have opted for EQ over something like TREN just because at the time of ordering my goods this is all i could afford and had available to me! now these are the compounds i have on hand and i will be running the eq. maybe i'll buy another vial or test e and eq.. but NO to prop! i hate injecting and plan to do it as little as possible.... right now im injecting test E every 5 days at 1.5ml 250mg
Anoni feel a sense of deja vu here.. eq is a waste at the duration you have there. you need to run it for at least 16 weeks. this is your second cycle, so you shouldn't be running a cycle for this long, and should still be using test only. and AI IS NOT AN AS NEEDED THING!!
everyone wants to jump the gun and try to one up their previous cycle and stack shit they have no business stacking. 2nd cycle: test only with a prop taper. people fail to realize the potential with manipulating test only cycles. if you hate injecting, then maybe sustanon would be most ideal for you.
AnonMy nipples feel fine im feeling strong and already suffer joint pain! I really dont want the discomfort of extremely low estro and im not trying to obtain the dry look.. What about ai every few days or a minimum dosage ed? Could u recommend something
Anonthe thing is: test aromatizes in the body. as time passes and levels rise, the potential of aromatization increases. this is one thing that is unavoidable without the help of an acillary. i am with you on not getting e2 too low. adex at .25 e3d should be fine. this will help you gain control over your e2 before it gets too high. too high yeilds a host of sides that you want to avoid, and so does low levels. by week 3 of test e you will want to be incorporating you AI, and run it throughout the cycle.
what week are you in now? you may wanna consider some preliminary blood work to gauge where your levels are currently.
AnonIm now at week 3... So will be ordering some more adex asap! Thanks again i appreciate all ur help
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkAnonYou're welcome
AnonYou need a minimum of 600mg per week of EQ for at least 14 weeks I've run it at that dose and time frame with awesome results and under Zewi's advice too. His advice made all the difference in my cycle and I'm no noob either. Start EQ from week 1 as well. Drop the dbol especially at the end of the cycle run tbol or winstrol for better results imo. PCT also needs to start 2 weeks after your last test e injection and clomid and nolva need to be taken ED not EOD.
Bro just run the test e at 500 mg for 12 weeks, get some prop to taper at the end and to lead straight into pct. You're already at week 3 so it should be hitting peak levels in the next week or so and gains should come provided you're eating enough calories. You're wasting your time and money with the other stuff. Just because you're adding more compounds doesn't mean more gains especially the way you're planning to use them. And 20 weeks is too long without EQ, gains would slow down way before that.
PCT is ok, though you can probably get away with using less clomid. At least I would, clomid sides are fucked.
zewiFirst of all EQ would be a waste for 12 weeks, get more of it, never run D-bol at the end, its to watery run tbol or anvar instead. However, i hope you havent started the cycle.. YOU NEVER START A CYCLE UNTIL EVERYHTING IS HAND people screw up their cycle all the time because of this.
However, IMO if you were going to run a Test E , EQ , DBOL cycle it would look like this for bulking..
1-4 Test P @ 100mg EOD--IF YOU HAVE ANY YOU DONT HAVE TO HAVE IT..
1-4 Dbol @ 50mg ED
1-16 Test E @ 500mg a week
1-16 EQ @ 600mg a week
15-18 Test p @ 100mg EOD
start PCT 3 days later...
If you dont have test p
1-4 Dbol @ 50mg ED
1-18 Test E @ 500mg a week
1-18 EQ @ 600mg a week
star PCT 21-24 days after last shot
IMO its always good to have atleast Test P on hand to finsih with any cycle, so your starting PCT 3 days after last shot, and a better recovery IMO--instead of having to wait a few weeks.
AnonFirst of thanks for ur input bro! Ive decided to cut out the dbol til nxt cycle.. Thanks bro
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkAnonso, you're wanting to run what appears to be a mild cutter mid-cycle and then bulk towards the end? how many cycles you have under your belt brother?
i'd drop the dbol all together. what you have here makes no sense.. drop the dbol bro. add in some prop 100/eod wk 1-4 and wk 20-23. run eq from the start and run it at least 16 weeks. push that pct back to 3 days after last prop pin. your pct doesn't necessarily need to be 5 weeks. and where's your AI?
from the looks of this, i'd say you're on cycle 1-3 with minimal experience and knowledge.. if this is your first cycle, drop the eq and dbol. adopt test e 500/wk for 12 weeks, and run a prop taper 100/eod wk 13-15. then start pct 3 days after last prop pin and cut the pct compound doses in half. DON'T FORGET YOUR AI!!
AnonThe dbol is to keep my anobolic levels up.. Im vry prone to being thin and am already extremely vascularity! Are u guys keeping in mind im only 72 kilos!? 200pound guys in their 5th cycle would run 600mg eq! Im only small and no im not tryin to get cut or bulk im trying to gain as much strength and endurance and keeo my gains. Youre all right this is my second cycle im only a noob but here to learn! Thanks for the help
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkAnonCompletely agree Dossier...not only should the EQ be at least 16 wks but there is a significant difference in what you get out of eq at a dose of 600/wk. Once you get yohr EQ straight yohr vascularity should be great towards the end but you decided to throw dbol at the end. If your dead set on dbol, then run it as a kucker up front and pinish with prop as.dossier said to keep the vascularity.
AnonI would save the dbol and eq for another cycle, just run a 12 week test e cycle. Starting a cycle without everything on hand or a proper plan and set goals is just asking for trouble. What AI are you running.
AnonIve got adex on hand but only plan to use it if i really must! As i said im not here to build a sculpture i want maximum endurance and to keep gains.
AnonYour too late to put the EQ in bro. If you run a test only and up your calories until you put on 15 pounds then reduce calories to maintenance levels and train hard using calories and training to stay at that weight then when you come off you will maintain most of what you have gained provided proper pct is run. Or you could simply bulk and try to keep what you can. Use your adex now bro 0.25 e3d, it will help you stay dry and stop estro robbing you of strength. Either way you are wasting gear and cash running eq at a low dose for such a short period. Dbol dosnt go at the end of any cycle.
AnonI wonder if increasing the doses towards the end like this will cause me to crash and burn once i finally come off cycle! Im prone to depression have been through alot of bullshit so hopefully the results are enough to keep me happy til my nxt cycle.
Anonby the way if id had the products on hand i would have started with dbol and eq but i didnt have em and initially planned to just run a test only cycle... so.. due to being 3 weeks into the cycle i obviously cant start the eq 1st week :/ so figured id start 4th or 5th week at 400mg for 12 weeks. as ive heard using it for under 10 weeks is jsut a waste and also i dont wanna be using a gram of gear a week lol! im only a little fella
Anonby the way if id had the products on hand i would have started with dbol and eq but i didnt have em and initially planned to just run a test only cycle... so.. due to being 3 weeks into the cycle i obviously cant start the eq 1st week :/ so figured id start 4th or 5th week at 400mg for 12 weeks. as ive heard using it for under 10 weeks is jsut a waste and also i dont wanna be using a gram of gear a week lol! im only a little fella
AssUhlMuppet....lol that's no surprise... lmao
Anonwith a name like ass im not sure if i want ur feedback bro
wtf
AssUhlFor one, the EQ should start week one due to the fact that it takes the longest to kick in and the dbol will jumpstart your cycle so you start gaining in the first couple weeks before the test e kicks in and you can keep those gains throughout because the test e has kicked in later on.....so dbol at the end when your test e and EQ are already working strong is basicly a waste....I strongly suggest you do a lot of research before you cycle again....the only thing I see correct on this cycle is running the test e a couple weeks past the EQ due to EQ'S long half-life.
Anonkeep in mind guys i dont have the dbol on hand yet and im already 3 weeks into my cycle