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STATS, DESCRIPTION, GOALS

12weeks lean bulking cycle! Expectation Gain 10-20lbs Lean mass.
Gear? SUST250 DBOL, HCG, Adex, clomid nolva..
GOAL: get big this winter withour putting a lot of fats, maintain my weight as much i can and my bodyfats around 9-10%, around sept. 2015 my first show..
AI: ADEX .5 EOD

WeekSustanon 250DbolBoldclomidnolvaAnatrozoleVar/win
1750mg30mg600mg
2750mg 30mg 600mg
3750mg30mg 600mg.5mg
4750mg30mg 600mg.5mg
5750mg 600mg.5mg
6750mg 600mg.5mg
7750mg 600mg.5mg
8750mg 600mg.5mg
9750mg 600mg.5mg
10750mg 600mg.5mg50mg
11750mg 600mg.5mg50mg
12750mg 600mg.5mg50mg
13750mg 600mg .5mg50mg
14750mg 600mg .5mg50mg
15750mg 600mg .5mg50mg
16750mg 600mg .5mg50mg
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19100mg40mg
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21100mg20mg
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purejuiced's picture

For a lean bulk I would run the bold higher than the sust like 500-600 sust and 800 bold.

blackops79's picture

Ive run this before but used aromasin insidead of adex. Definitely good for results though. Dianabol never fails.

blackops79's picture

Now that you have updated it I have not run this. In fact EQ is garbage for me.

irongame427's picture

Why are you not starting the dbol right away?

Undercover IFBB's picture

My bad! It was miss typo I'll fix it..

ReadyToKillIt's picture

Whats your cycle experience? Dbol doesn't really match up with the goal of a lean bulker for most people. Some don't get bloated but most do. Also sust isn't necessarily the best choice for your layout and goals either IMO. So basically I don't like your cycle, but I'll help you tweak it if you post your experience.

Undercover IFBB's picture

I did this cycle before! However I'm only used 500mg., I've used few cycle on my belt! I know what my nutrition is, so it's not gonna be problem for bloating water or look fat..thanks! What was your plan btw? If you tweak this cycle?

ReadyToKillIt's picture

With the decanoate ester in sust (I'm assuming you have a traditional sust blend), it takes a while for that to kick. One of the big benefits of sust is the fact that you're compounding your TT levels because the deca ester takes so long to cleave. What that means is your total test levels (TT) will reach higher levels because you are continually injecting more test before your body makes use of all that you've already injected. Because of this I would extend your cycle to 16 weeks. I think 10-12 week cycles are best with the mid length esters like E or C, but sust needs a little longer to really unlock it's potential.

As far as the orals go, I would switch to drol (but that's more of a personal preference). However, I'm finding that I get a great response pulsing my oral of choice 2 weeks on/2 weeks off, rinse, repeat. I really get the most out of my orals in the first 2 weeks anyway, then it's just diminishing returns. So I'll take that intense first couple of weeks, hop off, refresh the receptors, then jump back on.

Also as far as pct goes have you ever looked into the aromasin pct? Jumping off adex leaves you open to estro rebound. I prefer aromasin on cycle too, but it helps a lot in recovery also. The aro pct looks like this:

Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 20/20/10/10
Aromasin 12.5/12.5/6.25/6.25

EDIT: I also dont think you need to run hcg that long. The longer you run hcg the more chance you run of desensitizing the leydigs cells in the testes. It's not likely to happen at such a low dose, but better safe than sorry IMO. Running hcg on cycle is only needed if you're really insecure about the size of your balls. I would only run it the last 4-5 weeks of your cycle then into the first 2 weeks of pct. Unless, of course, you ARE really sensitive about the size of your balls....

bawler's picture

Its probably been mentioned but this is the first time ive seen the 2 on 2 off for bol..i like this idea! Im on 2nd week now on dbol and i feel the plateau. Does this work for u with all orals? How bout 2 weeks bol 2 weeks drol then 2 weeks bol and stop? to harsh? Have u tried this?

ReadyToKillIt's picture

Ive only tried it with dbol and drol. It worked equally well with both. I suspect it would work well with sd also. Im not too sure how well it would work with winny or var though.

Undercover IFBB's picture

Okay that's make sense.. What if I run this instead? "About HcG purpose" clarification only! 18weeks cycle"donate blood around 8weeks"
Test e 750 Wk 1-16
Bold 600 Wk 1-18
Dbol 40mg 1-2week EOD
Dbol 40mg 3-5week ED
Winstrol/anavar 50mg "mix" ED 14-18wk
Anatrozole .5 EOD 2-18wk
Pct 2weeks after last injection.
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Clomid 40/40/20/20
now tell me on this compound should I still run HcG on the last 5weeks of the cycle!?
Or start up @ after 3rd week.?
Clarification on the hcg! The science says hcg will help you to produce normal test cunsumint 250iu every 3days.

The reason don't run aromasin and Drol is it don't have on stock! I'm kind a broke right now. And no caber too!

ReadyToKillIt's picture

All the hcg does is send a signal to your pituitary gland that mimics LH. It tricks your body into thinking that you do not need to be totally shut down. Since it sends a weak signal, your testes will still produce some testosterone and since they are still working they will not atrophy as much. However, do you really want to trick your body for that long, just to keep testicular size and to gain maybe 100 points on your TT? You are already pumping in copious amounts of exogenous test, IMO there is no need to add another hormone in before it's necessary for what amounts to cosmetic reasons. The only legitimate purpose that I see for hcg is at the end of your cycle, when you do want to trick the testes into starting back up. For most beginner and intermediate cycles, I would only run the hcg for the last 4 weeks on cycle, then 2 weeks into pct.

As for adding in EQ, you have the timing off. You would want to run the EQ and the sust for the same amount of time. The decanoate ester and the undecylenate ester both take roughly around the same time to cleave, so it is recommended to wait 3 weeks after stopping these compounds to start pct. You will experience a fairly strong crash when coming off of 750 mg of sust. Have you ever considered running a test p taper?

I dont understand why you are starting out the dbol EOD. That makes absolutely no sense, your hormone levels will be all over the place. If its a matter of not having enough, then I would lower the dose or run it for a shorter period of time. Maybe try 30 mg for 30 days. You should be fine running the winny/var mix at the end. However, you should pick up a good liver supplement. I run liv52 every day of the year. It's a nice thing to do for your body in general, but especially when you're dumping handfuls of methylated in orals down your throat.

Honestly, I don't know how pct works without aromasin. I have only run the aromasin pct. As i said before, I know there is an estrogen rebound associated withdiscontinuing your adex. Unfortunately the only way I know how to overcome that is with aromasin. You aren't running any 19nor compounds, so prolactin shouldn't be an issue. You therefore won't need caber.

One parting thought that concerns me a little. We started out talking about 2 compounds, now you have 5 in this cycle. Do you really need the dbol at the start? It doesn't really match your goals, and you already get a kick start from the prop ester in your sust. Is your winny and var already mixed together? Or could you just pick one or the other? To match your goals a good cycle would look like this:

Weeks 1-18 sust 750 mg
Weeks 1-18 EQ 600-800mg
Weeks 12-18 var 50 mg ED
Weeks 2-18 adex as needed
weeks 16-23 hcg 250 iu 2X per week
Start pct at week 21

Hope this helps.

Undercover IFBB's picture

Well said bro, btw when I said mix they are really mix together in one tablet! 25/25mg winny and anavar.= 50mg at some point you mention rebound, I believe having doing HcG while off cycle, it trigger estrogen elevation. Most of my cycle I used hcg at my last 5weeks of my cycle. And then pct... The sust and bold cycle won't be problem for prolactin or acne issue? Mid cycle must donate blood right? I heard this cycle before one of my friend did this cycle and it was incredible insane.

Undercover IFBB's picture

okay, check my edit mode! this is what i came up instead! FYI i dont have any other compound rather than anatrozole and dbol and win/var mix- hcg still debating.. Is it 750mg is too much for test?

Undercover IFBB's picture

Expecting get a lean quality mass on this cycle! Hard work baby!

Undercover IFBB's picture

Yeah good taper with prop! But I don't have prop- i only have masterone dros and cyp

blackops79's picture

IMO keep Dbol ED and just lower the dose if you want to take less. In my experience if you use Dbol as just a pre workout or EOD then I get way more side effects. My back broke out in crazy acne the only time I tried doing it. Much better to keep levels stable by breaking up your daily dose in to two doses at least and also taking ED.

Undercover IFBB's picture

Are you referring dbol? For acne issue?

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