2nd cycle
6'3" 215 lbs, about 12-15% body fat. The cycle I am proposing here would be my second cycle which I plan on starting around April of next year. Like most, I would like to cut some body fat and add some lean muscle. I feel like I know how test affects me since my first cycle was a 14 weeker, test only. I made it through PCT just fine, but want to wait another 6 months before I start again. I will make an assumption that my gear is dosed properly (which I know can be a stretch) so with that in mind I'm just going straight test and low to medium dose HGH. I realize getting REAL hgh has been quite a debate on here and to be honest I still don't know what legit hyges are because of the different verification websites, etc. I'll be 46 once I start this cycle so hopefully I'll get some of the anti aging benefits from the HGH, if it is hgh. Any comments and suggestions are welcome as I want to hear if this is a sensible 2nd cycle for a guy my age. Are there any diet concerns or issues I need to know about with the HGH? I know it can mess with the body's insulin so any ideas there would also be welcome. Thanks guys.
| Week | Test Cyp | HCG | HGH | Clomid | Nolvadex | Arimidex |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 500mg | 2-4 iu's/day | 0.5-1mg/eod | |||
| 2 | 500mg | 2-4 iu's/day | 0.5-1mg/eod | |||
| 3 | 500mg | 2-4 iu's/day | 0.5-1mg/eod | |||
| 4 | 500mg | 2-4 iu's/day | 0.5-1mg/eod | |||
| 5 | 500mg | 250IU - 500UI | 2-4 iu's/day | 0.5-1mg/eod | ||
| 6 | 500mg | 250IU - 500UI | 2-4 iu's/day | 0.5-1mg/eod | ||
| 7 | 500mg | 250IU - 500UI | 2-4 iu's/day | 0.5-1mg/eod | ||
| 8 | 500mg | 250IU - 500UI | 2-4 iu's/day | 0.5-1mg/eod | ||
| 9 | 500mg | 250IU - 500UI | 2-4 iu's/day | 0.5-1mg/eod | ||
| 10 | 500mg | 250IU - 500UI | 2-4 iu's/day | 0.5-1mg/eod | ||
| 11 | 500mg | 250IU - 500UI | 2-4 iu's/day | 0.5-1mg/eod | ||
| 12 | 500 mg | 250IU to 500IU | 2-4 iu's/day | 0.5-1mg/eod | ||
| 13 | 1000 IU eod | 2-4 iu's/day | 0.5-1mg/eod | |||
| 14 | 2-4 iu's/day | 100mg/day | 40mg/day | |||
| 15 | 2-4 iu's/day | 100mg/day | 40 mg/day | |||
| 16 | 2-4 iu's/day | 50 mg/day | 20mg/day | |||
| 17 | 50mg/day | 20mg/day |
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If it were I would add a 3 week test prop taper from week 12 thru 15 while the cyp clears your system. I did this for my cycle and made some great additional gains those last 3 weeks. Instead of your test levels dwindling while the cyp clears they remain high. I shot 100mg EOD starting 4 days after my last pin of enan. Started PCT 4 days later. I like the GH. I am considering running some my next cycle. I have a shoulder issue that is taking forever to heal and figure 2-4 iu of GH could help.
rocketballzYea it seems like I peaked around week 10 on my first run. Only minimal, if any, gains the last couple of weeks. It could have been my workouts but at least that's what it felt like. I will consider the prop taper for sure. Thanks chunky
The same thing happened to me around week 8. I throttled back the entire week 9. Did 5 sets of 20 to ease off my joints a bit and then went at it full throttle again for the last 4 weeks. My joints needed the break. I got so strong so quick my elbows took some time to get used to the load increase. I did not want to go hard the entire cycle and then be beat up for PCT. I wanted to make sure I was 100% healthy going into PCT so I could train hard and keep my gains. Only lost 3 pounds. I did notice I hardened up a bit and had a pronounced libido increase when I switched to prop, too.
Please keep me posted with your GH dosing and its effects. FR sent. Please accept.
rocketballzYep. Accepted!
I don't think you want to be on hcg for that long of a stretch. Maybe take week 9 and 12 off. There's not enough time between last shot and pct. Half life of cyp is about 14 days, I'd wait 21 days from last shot until start of pct. Adex shouldn't have to be started right off from the start, usually week 3 to 5. Best way to know is from weekly blood tests, otherwise the itchy nipples is the first sign.
I'm no hgh expert but I think if you have legit seros then you'd want to start at a very low dose and slowly work up to 4iu to avoid side effects.
rocketballzI kind of agree about the hcg. I don't want to be pumping my body full of a bunch of different hormones (test and hgh are enough), but I also want to keep the balls working...even if it is artificially via the hcg. HCG worked great on my first run so I'll consider what you are saying as it does make some sense. As for the adex, you are correct about perhaps not needing it right off the bat, but I am super gyno prone so my thinking was that I would let it build up in my system for a few weeks so that when the test really kicks in around week 4 or 5 my body will be ready for all of the extra aromatizing. thanks for the input jimmie.