+ 1 2nd Cycle
Hello men,
This will be my second cycle, last cycle was about 9 months ago. I ran test E 500mg/week with a test P kicker for 4 weeks at 200mg/week.
I had great results with a very average diet as well as too much drinking (im a young guy). I dont think anyone in the gym believed me when I told them i was "just eating a lot." Put on 18 pounds within the first 6 weeks, then didnt gain much more. Again, I'm content with 18 pounds, but I am blaming the plateau on diet and motivation. At my current build, I really dont want to put on too much more weight unless 90% of what I'm putting on is muscle. I dont look good any bigger at 5'8 unless its muscle, several people have told me this, so I am putting my meathead ways to the side. I'm currently 175 lbs at around 12-14%.
This time around:
I have plenty of compounds on hand but think I'm going to stick to just Test E 500mg/week this time and maybe a P kicker.
I had great results last time, so I dont see a huge reason to mix it up , especially if my diet was shitty. I have Npp and deca on hand as well, but I fear some of the sides. I happen to be sensitive to estro, last cycle spiked gyno pretty bad to the point where I wouldnt go out unless I wore 2 shirts and a wife beater, not doing that again. Standard PCT, besides running Clomid at 50mg ED the whole time. I cant stand the emotional sides of clomid. This worked fine for me last go around.
I have all PCT drugs on hand but am looking for a new US domestic source, so if you have any good ones, please add and PM me!
Next question, I know there is a diet section and I am working my way that direction, but if anyone has some insight as to how to gain lean mass, please let me know. This is my biggest concern! I'm not starting the cycle until I have something concrete down!
Thanks everyone.
Week | Testosterone Enanthate | Prop | Arimidex | nolvadex | clomid |
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1 | 500mg | 200mg | |||
2 | 500mg | 200mg | .25 EOD | ||
3 | 500mg | 200mg | .25 EOD | ||
4 | 500mg | 200mg | .25 EOD | ||
5 | 500mg | .25 EOD | |||
6 | 500mg | .25 EOD | |||
7 | 500mg | .25 EOD | |||
8 | 500mg | .25 EOD | |||
9 | 500mg | .25 EOD | |||
10 | 500mg | .25 EOD | |||
11 | 500mg | .25 EOD | |||
12 | 500mg | .25 EOD | |||
13 | .25 EOD | ||||
14 | .25 EOD | ||||
15 | 40mg ED | 50mg ED | |||
16 | 40mg ED | 50mg ED | |||
17 | 20mg ED | 50mg ED | |||
20mg ED | 50mg ED |
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rocketballzNice sensible cycle here. You appear to know your body and you seem open to suggestions. As u know the standard pct protocol is 100 clomid and 40 Nolva for 2 weeks then 50/20. If you can get away with it with less drugs that's probably a good thing. PM me for a good domestic pct source
Bowyer2: Will you pin 2x / week to get the 500 Test E done? Curious to your pip pain when hitting at 500, or splitting to make it happen?
Oh god, no I would never do that lol. I just assumed everyone would think twice a week. Trying to get more stable blood levels. Appreciate the concern!
Its also an interesting prop dose...why 200/week for 4 weeks?
I mean normally I would go 250/week just to use up a vial (250mg x 4 =1000mg = vial). Theres not a huge reason, I just want to run the least amount that I can get away with. I ran 250mg/week last time and it was plenty, so I'm gonna scale back a little and see what happens.
Interesting...it seemed a little low as a kicker...usually the point of a kicker is as you know to jumpstart the cycle and I'm curious to know how well 200mg will jumpstart a cycle please let me know how that goes if you do decide to keep it at 200/week...
That is a good point. Last time 250 worked just fine, I might actually do that this time on second thought just to use up the vial.
Double your clomid the first two weeks of pct
I thought I stated above, I do not like running 100mg, makes me too emotional and I recovered fine with only running 50mg. Yes, I got bloods during and after last cycle. I will dig them up when I have time and post them.
I apologize there's a lot of info up there...I did read that but then forgot...I'm curious as to why more clomid would make you more emotional. ..any ideas why?
No worries man! Honestly, I am not an expert when it comes to PCT drugs. But I can tell you it sure as hell did, I would flip on the dumbest shit. Just wasnt a good fit for me, had several buddies have the same experience.
You do raise a good point, thats something I should look into to see if its just an initial thing or if the higher dose does indeed increase emotion.
Right? I'm sure someone will have something to say on it...maybe its from too little estro? But interesting never the less...
Could definitely be it.
Side note: I had some bunk asin on my last cycle, ran it at 25mg/day!!! and still had increasing gyno. Then switched to different source adex and worked well. You can say what you want about "responding to adex vs asin" but I would think anyone would be in control of estro running asin at 25mg/day with the given cycle.
Man sounds like you had a rough go of it first cycle...also from reading all your notes...make sure your diet is on lock...I say this because you topped out on gains last time and attributed it to your diet and also you say you don't want to get bigger unless its mostly muscle this as well is going to require a pin point diet....maybe spend some time with vik or in the diet group for help before you get rolling...a couple guys on here are awesome at building goal based diets
Spot on. Gained 18 pounds in the first 4-6 weeks then nothing. I've read some of vik's posts, guy is a fucking dictionary! lol