to make shit clear, i did not post this to be the funny guy or take shot's at angus. ya'll might want to re read that last part.
i posted this to show how f'kin easy it is to make a lab report and that you shouldn't blindly order gear just because the numbers on the summary page look pretty.
honestly, i do love looking at these lab reports cuz i'm into this shit, BUT i can't trust them enough to pull the trigger on a source. Especially when sources post their own lab's.
In this game, the best labs are your own bloods and other experiences with the gear (in quantity).
Almost disagreed but you clarified at the end there well with "quantity" lol… I believe Angus would say something about a summary getting posted that he didn't put out but I hear you why not just post the whole report? We aren't exactly baking cookies here. Just because a source posts a good spec doesn't mean that is the same product that went out to customers either, but I think some of the most frequent posters here ( SOME ) have proved to be honest about it. So far.
I guess little levity seems appropriate at this time. It doesn't mean these tests do not have value. It's good information to know If you order say primo and get masteron or var and get winstrol instead.
Beside the good joke with 135%. Would you still believe tests made by someone who claimed he is doing purity for you and he was not doing? I do not think he can identify compounds. Look on this analyzes all of them say for example: 50% purity but he does not specify what other compounds are there. So where is his ID ? Let be serious. He use a machine with incomplete database a impaired analyst but he have a good guy who produces nice graphs
It's extremely difficult to indenify compounds based off atomic weights in mass spec. But we know the atomic weight of things like test deca tren Clomid Etc cause that's what they specialize in testing for. I bet you if you had someone who did this same thing for another class of drugs and they saw a peak at XXX they would have no idea it was trenbolone, they would just state it as an impurity like angus does for things that are not steroids and shit. but if someting shows a peak of at say and I'm just throwing numbers uo there 567 and it's not one of the typical things tested for figuring out what it is is extremely difficult if not impossible. So he just states that it's an impurity. But like I said we know the atomic weights of the steroids, peptides, serms, ais and shit like that. You said he states it's 50% pure but can't identify the other compounds because like I said, it's extremely easy to identify the steroid, but there's hundreds of thousands of possibilitys of what the "impuritys" could be. Without an advanced degree in chem or engineering you will not understand amyrhinf about this. My father has a phd in chemical engineering and explained how all this works to me and it backs up everything angus says. So trying to understand it is pointless unless you can directly talk to someone who knows all about it and not through replys on a forum or through pm. It's to complicated.
Bottom line, if you specialize in steroids then identifying them through mass spec is extremely easy.
The prerogative to defend one's reputation and business is to be respected, but I think any consensus isn't going to be done in this thread and the people want to see a discussion anyway. I think it's understood there are certain limitations to these tests and that "purity" that's been reported doesn't necessarily correlate to efficacy. Maybe one just needs to see if something expected is there at all. Due to the nature of this activity and never looking someone in the eye, nothing personal, but NO ONE can be trusted completely. To the degree one can trust, verify as the saying goes. For now, I think the horse has rigor mortis. Hopefully the discussion can be advanced in an another appropriate thread.
Much more diplomatically and eloquently put than I could have done.
Ashop:
American colloquialisms are oftentimes lost on non native English speakers. The reference to a horse with rigor mortis is a play on words of the saying "You are beating a dead horse," which means you have continued arguing your point long past the point of sanity.
Definitely accurate for ID'ing. Should be good for raw samples purity best I can tell as well unless it's extremely low quality… much better than sources blindly putting out Chinese mystery surprise 100mg/mL before we had MS don't disregard the value in that
Oil samples I don't follow the logic so much behind giving concentration & purity of the analyte hoping to see an explanation eventually
yeah wasnt sure of op's motive here.. trolling trying to be funny? showing how easy it is to fake a report? trying to make a certain tester look incompetent?
BillLumberghsummary needed to be centered more. DYEL
Lol... Hes got the font right and everything.
Loose_CannonBahahaha
MilKmAnwow i was expecting a lot more negs...
to make shit clear, i did not post this to be the funny guy or take shot's at angus. ya'll might want to re read that last part.
i posted this to show how f'kin easy it is to make a lab report and that you shouldn't blindly order gear just because the numbers on the summary page look pretty.
honestly, i do love looking at these lab reports cuz i'm into this shit, BUT i can't trust them enough to pull the trigger on a source. Especially when sources post their own lab's.
In this game, the best labs are your own bloods and other experiences with the gear (in quantity).
AnonAlmost disagreed but you clarified at the end there well with "quantity" lol… I believe Angus would say something about a summary getting posted that he didn't put out but I hear you why not just post the whole report? We aren't exactly baking cookies here. Just because a source posts a good spec doesn't mean that is the same product that went out to customers either, but I think some of the most frequent posters here ( SOME ) have proved to be honest about it. So far.
I'm pretty sure that if angus saw a test in his format like this that wasn't his he would probably comment that he did not test the sample
I guess little levity seems appropriate at this time. It doesn't mean these tests do not have value. It's good information to know If you order say primo and get masteron or var and get winstrol instead.
Beside the good joke with 135%. Would you still believe tests made by someone who claimed he is doing purity for you and he was not doing? I do not think he can identify compounds. Look on this analyzes all of them say for example: 50% purity but he does not specify what other compounds are there. So where is his ID ? Let be serious. He use a machine with incomplete database a impaired analyst but he have a good guy who produces nice graphs
It's extremely difficult to indenify compounds based off atomic weights in mass spec. But we know the atomic weight of things like test deca tren Clomid Etc cause that's what they specialize in testing for. I bet you if you had someone who did this same thing for another class of drugs and they saw a peak at XXX they would have no idea it was trenbolone, they would just state it as an impurity like angus does for things that are not steroids and shit. but if someting shows a peak of at say and I'm just throwing numbers uo there 567 and it's not one of the typical things tested for figuring out what it is is extremely difficult if not impossible. So he just states that it's an impurity. But like I said we know the atomic weights of the steroids, peptides, serms, ais and shit like that. You said he states it's 50% pure but can't identify the other compounds because like I said, it's extremely easy to identify the steroid, but there's hundreds of thousands of possibilitys of what the "impuritys" could be. Without an advanced degree in chem or engineering you will not understand amyrhinf about this. My father has a phd in chemical engineering and explained how all this works to me and it backs up everything angus says. So trying to understand it is pointless unless you can directly talk to someone who knows all about it and not through replys on a forum or through pm. It's to complicated.
Bottom line, if you specialize in steroids then identifying them through mass spec is extremely easy.
The prerogative to defend one's reputation and business is to be respected, but I think any consensus isn't going to be done in this thread and the people want to see a discussion anyway. I think it's understood there are certain limitations to these tests and that "purity" that's been reported doesn't necessarily correlate to efficacy. Maybe one just needs to see if something expected is there at all. Due to the nature of this activity and never looking someone in the eye, nothing personal, but NO ONE can be trusted completely. To the degree one can trust, verify as the saying goes. For now, I think the horse has rigor mortis. Hopefully the discussion can be advanced in an another appropriate thread.
Much more diplomatically and eloquently put than I could have done.
Ashop:
American colloquialisms are oftentimes lost on non native English speakers. The reference to a horse with rigor mortis is a play on words of the saying "You are beating a dead horse," which means you have continued arguing your point long past the point of sanity.
AnonDefinitely accurate for ID'ing. Should be good for raw samples purity best I can tell as well unless it's extremely low quality… much better than sources blindly putting out Chinese mystery surprise 100mg/mL before we had MS don't disregard the value in that
Oil samples I don't follow the logic so much behind giving concentration & purity of the analyte hoping to see an explanation eventually
Oh right… funny post btw
Bait and switch definitely happens. And as you can infer, you might trust your source but can you trust the Chinese suppliers?
AnonI'll take neither for 500
nice ill take 20.
lol nice
TTLollll
MilKmAntime spent testing the sample - 30 seconds
if i were source - couple hundred bucks right away
having people actually believe 135% purity - Priceless
seriously, i could have put a more realistic number but i didn't on purpose to make it obvious. (i guess i should have made it 400%)
haha
Stats
Age:
Height: 5'9"
Weight: 195lbs
BF: 12%
He is a kid Fing around............
yeah wasnt sure of op's motive here.. trolling trying to be funny? showing how easy it is to fake a report? trying to make a certain tester look incompetent?
135%?..no way.
is this a joke bro?
StevebPurity 135%??
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