posted Tue, 01/22/2013 - 18:04
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1st cycle
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STATS, DESCRIPTION, GOALS
43 year old - 5'6" and 150 lb with about 8% body fat
goals - build mass
workout plan 4-5 days weekly
eating plan could be better - avoiding the junk but need better effort at calories and protein which is currently at 100-150 grams daily
in week 7 of first cycle and have gained about 10 lb and definitely some mass (not enough HA)
| Week | Testosterone Enanthate | arimidex | Nolvadex | clomid |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 400mg weekly | 0.5 mg daily | ||
| 2 | 400mg | 0.5mg | ||
| 3 | 400mg | 0.5mg | ||
| 4 | 400mg | 0.5mg | ||
| 5 | 400mg | 0.5mg | ||
| 6 | 400mg | 0.5mg | ||
| 7 | 400mg | 0.5mg | ||
| 8 | 400mg | 0.5mg | ||
| 9 | 400mg | 0.5mg | ||
| 10 | 400mg | 0.5mg | ||
| 11 | 400mg | 0.5mg | ||
| 12 | 400 mg | 0.5mg | ||
| 13 | 0.5mg | |||
| 14 | 0.5mg | |||
| 15 | 0.5mg | 20mg daily | 100mg | |
| 16 | 0.5mg | 20mg | 100mg | |
| 17 | 0.5mg | 10mg | 50mg | |
| 0.5mg | 10mg | 50mg |
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think ill be doing this cycle but was going to go for 300mg a week, not to sure if i should go for Arimidex or Proviron to run with it, any opinions?
AnonAdex would be my preferance
ill take that to mind so many thanks
wait until week 3 or 4 to start adex, also lower it to .25mg e3d unless you start feeling some sides of gyno, then up it to .5mg e3d, etc.
PCT looks good though
Bro - you've gotten great advice on cleaning up your cycle already, I'll throw in a suggestion to help you track your diet to make sure it remains on point. As j223 and massive48 suggested, definitely start by posting your diet. You'll get great feedback here and you'll be glad you did.
Myself and many of my friends use My Fitness Pal (http://www.myfitnesspal.com/) to enter and track our caloric intake and macros (i.e. your fat, protein, and carbs). If you eat the same shit every day, which many of us do, you can create meals which really simplifies daily meal entry (i.e. postworkout meal = 2 scoops Isopure, 1 scoop Karbolyn, etc). If you stick to a diet these guys will create for you, this site will make keeping track of your diet and keeping it on point simple. If you have a smart phone, they have an app that makes it easy to enter meals in on the go. The site also syncs with several sites that track calories burned via cardio (http://www.myfitnesspal.com/apps).
Good luck!
thank you much - will get on it - thanks for the insight!!!
Anona few things bro..
Dose: if you want to build mass, you may wanna consider going a bit higher on your weekly dosages (500-600).
AI: your AI dose is not only too high and too frequent, but you started it way too soon. you're going to wind up nuking your estrogen levels with this, bro. the idea is to regulate estrogen so as to avoid excessive amounts, not eliminate it. Adex should be started on week 3 with an enanthate (no kicker) cycle and at a dose of 0.25mg E3D. you should either watch for sides or confirm with bloodwork prior to tweeking this dose. if tweeked, you can go up to 0.5mg E3D and then if needed you can further go up frequency wise to EOD. Adex has a half life of 46.8 hrs, bro.. don't run that shit ED!
furthermore, you need to taper the adex and bridge with aromasin leading into PCT. j223 doesn't want to admit this, but adex WILL release the bound enzyme when the active life expires and/or the drug is discontinued. yes, the body is continuously synthesizing more aromatase, but this is in response to the elevated testosterone, not the regulation of the current enzyme levels through inhibition. regardless of the AI used, enzyme synthesis will continue.. but when that bond is broken and the bound enzymes are released, guess what happens? they join the newly synthesized enzymes, thereby increasing levels that much more.
adex works great in terms of regulating e2 on-cycle. dosing can be administered less frequently than aromasin, which is a plus. but, I have seen blood work proving that e2 rebound has occured post cycle due to the AI being used. this may or may not happen with you, bc we are all different, but the risk is there and easily avoided with an alternate choice. outside of that, aromasin carries a significant advantage: it binds to SHBG more strongly, thereby preventing the globulin from binding with circulating test. this increases free test. regardless of how much you shoot into your ass, if its bound to aromatase or SHBG, it is inaccessible to the cells and the benefits are lost. another advantage is that aromasin has been proven to aide in gonadatropin hormone synthesis (LH & FSH). by doing so, it works in synergy with clomid during pct to reboot HPTA function faster. and the cost for aromasin is comparable to adex.
here's a post about AI's that you should take the time to read:
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/ai-as-needed-...
you will notice that j223 agreed to some extent here. idk why he continues to argue that adex does not possess the properties of a type 2 inhibitor, because that is precisely what it is..
last point...
taper: you should consider getting some prop and running a taper week 13-15 at 100mg EOD. pct starts 3 days after last prop pin. this will stabilize your levels during the time that the enanthate is fading out. without the taper, your levels will be dropping progressively twice per week. you can avoid this crash by adding the prop to glide you right into pct, bro. to get yourself ready for EOD pinning, start rotating your pins between glutes and quads now. get you some 25g 1" pins for your delts and throw that in the rotation. this will get your muscles ready to take on more frequent pinning when it's time for the taper. go check out our grp. it's right up your alley:
http://www.eroids.com/og/beginner-cycles
just be sure to get some aromasin for your pct. if you need help, shoot me a fr and pm.
good luck!
I never said adex does not possess the properties of a type 2 inhibitor. Adex works while you take it. Thats why I recommend adex for on cycle and aromasin for pct. However adex can be used during pct as well thousands of people have and still do it and have had zero problems. Est. rebound is like 1 in a 1000 type of thing that pretty much only happens with letro or extreme high dose adex use for an extended period of time.
Let's be honest hes running 400mg per week and no HCG, he's not gonna have estrogen rebound.
As for aromasin increasing shbg yes it does and that frees up more test leading to more estrogen and DHT conversion leading to MORE side effects ! Another reason why aromasin causes more side effects
AnonPlain and simple: that is misguided information bro. I understand your thought process but you're incorrect.
I'm not gonna argue with you.
awesome - thanks bro
Booom! WELL SAID DOSS, good stuff!
+1 bro
Wait so your on week 7 of this cycle? lol
yes, week 7 - and it seems like I need to tweak my arimidex a bit as discussed (shouldn't be an issue as i usually miss every other dose). Need to adjust my PCT too.
The test E is at 400 mg weekly because i have rx test E which is 200 mg/ml (and unfortunately only in 5 ml vials). Working on obtaining my gear elsewhere moving forward.
Strength has been increased and mass has been gained (10 lb), no doubt more if I get better at eating.
AnonPrivatemedlabs.com go run the female hormone panel so we can see where you're at. If that Alex is good, you should have low e2 sides already. Lets see where you're at then get you on track
So do u have any gyno symptems yet?
You should post up your diet bro.
Well since ur on week 7 then just finish with 400mg a week Otherwise its usually 500mg which is pretty much the same shit.
no gyno sx at all - so should not have any worries backing down on the arimidex
i will start documenting my eating - I could say that I have a hard time keeping a schedule of 5-6 meals a day due to my job but excuses=failure, so i will not
Hoping to finish at a higher test E dose with new gear
Thanks, Massive, for your input
yes plz lower adex
when you get free time count your calories. Set up meals and use them daily. Once you get used to a routine you can prep all your food the day before so you are ready to go and still can eat around your work schedule. Once you eat the same foods you will get routine and then you will hardly use any time at all to be prepared. It just takes patience and calorie counting at first.
Friend request sent bro... Pm me anytime u need help!:)
AnonAgree to dropping the adex to 0.25 e3d. Also drop adex at week 14. Double your nolva dose. Keep your cycle test only as you need to learn how you come off it in pct. Look into runnin aromasin through pct and hcg helps also. Theres plenty of posts on here about them to research. Your doing good so far bro.
Bro if diet isnt ON POINT your not gonna gain NOTHING... Imo your too light...fix diet before starting cycle to really gain some mass..
And its 500mg a week of test E bro.
PCT : Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Unless your going to add Aromasin thouughout PCT then you can go with 20/20/10/10 with Nolva and 12.5mg EOD with Aro.
I agree and disagree with you.
Yes diet is most important. However 400mg is good. My bud ran 350 first cycle and gained 20lbs. Start low and work way up is the smart way to go. He can always make it 500 or 600 in later cycles.
Nolva is fine but personally I'd just run 20mg the whole pct. As for arimidex during pct, that is fine he's definitely not gonna have estrogen rebound from running 400mg per week thats for damn sure.
First things first, with out diet on point bro hes not gonna gain shit, plain and simple.
Why run 400mg when he can just do the 500mg when it will only benefit him a lil more.
I would always preffer aromasin rather than adex...cuz imo theres always a change of estro rebound especially on first run..
The 400 is fine because its still 15x more than he would produce naturally lol. Not to mention less estrogen problems, less sides, and he will still get huge gains. If he went to 500mg he might gain 3 more pounds of water but its not gonna make or break the cycle. It's good to start low and work the way up as your gains start to slow.
It's a personal preference with the adex vs aromasin. Some do well with adex, some do well with aromasin. Adex is better for a first cycle because it is easier to dose and has less side effects. As for estrogen rebound, unless hes running 100mg dbol per day and 1.5grams of test and using letro as an ai, hes not gonna have estrogen rebound lol. Letro is more common to have estrogen rebound than adex. Besides the nolva will keep the estrogen from getting to the breast tissue so if his estrogen just so happens to be high during pct - the nolva will keep things in check. Estrogen rebound is so blow on out proportion it's a rare thing and unlikely to happen unless the body has way too much testosterone and ZERO estrogen. If estrogen remains tanked for an extended period of time then the chance of estrogen rebound is likely because the body tries to equalize the levels.
With 400mg test and low dose adex (ie 0.25mg e3d) estrogen rebound is as likely to happen as it is to win the lottery.
Another thing to keep in mind about aromasin - even though it is a suicidal inhibitor meaning it permanently binds to the aromatase enzyme, does not mean it works better than arimidex. Keep in mind that when the aromatase enzymes become ineffective (when the aromasin binds to it) the body responds and synthesizes MORE aromatase enzymes to counteract this. Again remember the body tries to constantly have a certain ratio of test to estrogen
Back to my point Aromasin is a more finicky drug than arimidex. It can be difficult to dose, and many people it causes low estrogen symptoms as well as does not keep the bloat off and can even cause sensitive nips. Aromasin is a steroid. It has androgenic side effects which is why it is usually not prescribed in women in most cases because they can have excessive androgenic side effects such as virilization.
So I think for first cycle adex is fine. It rarely causes problems and is easy to use and dose.
Post your diet bud and hopefully we can help you out. Try to post your total calories, grams of carbs, fat, and protein also
You are half way your cycle and now you need more calories and proteins to keep the pace of growth. the new muscle needs extra calories. just imagine your progress with twice the amount of protein. 150 grms is not enough for a bodybuilder with or without gear. Get used to the extra food, you will also need it to keep your gains. On a first cycle you can easily gain 20 pounds or more. Also if you have no high estro signs you don't need that much Adex, it can hinder your progress.
Lower adex dose if this is your first time. Start at 0.25mg every 3 days.
Move to every other day if you need. And if thats not enough do 0.25mg daily. But like I said start at 0.25mg every 3 days.
looking for any feedback - no issues to date with side effects, etc - any thoughts on late cycle stack??