+ 6 Why an AI at ALL???
I found myself in the forum talking to someone that claimed to never have taken an AI and never had problems..That's great and all but he might be that mutant that can do that and never have an issue, but I don't believe it..I felt so strongly about the topic that after I wrote it I decided to post it....There is a major thing to consider with estrogen and especially the high levels on the cycle and during PCT especially....You think about gyno and sore puffy nips and that's it....
The part that maybe you might not consider is far more than just sore or puffy nips going on...it's the big inside picture you don't see with the high estogen levels that makes it worrysome the bloating and what that does to the b/p and the stress it cause on the heart and kidneys if untreated, high estro causes infertility and low sperm count and contributes to low t itself,what about the effects of high estro and the prostate...there is a link between high estro and protate cancer, I can keep going beyond the obvious of the sex drive and impotency, not to mention the gyno and sore breast tissue and nip bc of it....that's the outside...So with knowing the inside things you can't see wouldn't it make sense to play it safe then sorry...I'm not willing to take a chance or even take the chance of the newb thinkn it's ok and all will b well bc usually it always ends bad for the chap....Numerous posts I find with gyno and ED but they never consider the major organs effected on the inside by this....It's to late when you develop heart and kidney disease or in worst case scenario prostate cancer...The damage is done and even fatal in some cases......So I will never ever say it's ok to start a cycle without an AI or ever say it's ok to not use an AI....It's your body and health we are talking about and only one at that.....So that's my stand and take on that....The choices are Arimidex or Aromasin to take and Letro on deck for the stubborn issues
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great stuff thanks for the share.
AnonI dont believe in mutants either lol. I think people just ignore the symptoms or dont know there body well enough to see them. Another great post
Another hit cdaddy!
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Not to mention that estrogen and test levels contribute towards overall health and well-being.
The regulator for this is the HPTA (Hypothalamic Pituitary Testicular Axis) - and without proper controls in both monitoring and restoring natural levels, excess pressure is IMO unnecessarily placed on one side of the axis - and increased strain on the axis over a lengthy period of time may cause one to be reliant upon hormone replacement therapy (HRT).
Changes in hormone levels are the effect of the stimuli the hypothalamus receives from variety of inputs/changes in other hormone levels - thus the job of the htpa is to constantly try and find/create an equilibrium within your bodys' endocrine system - To substantiate this aforementioned point i have produced an example whereby the inputs are high on one side of the axis - for example, either high estrogen or high androgen or both - then as a direct result, the axis must now decide how to create an equilibruim, thus its choices are to produce little or no sex hormones, but it then realises that if all inputs are low, more sex hormones should be produced.
An important point to consider is that the axis does not only respond to current hormone levels, it also tracks your past history of hormone volatility.
Changes in hormone levels will always effect other hormones (substanciated by the casue and effect theory The Causality Paradigm). Many naive bodybuilders believe that in order to gain optimum results from a cycle, their estrogen levels must be constantly suppressed - this is far from the truth.
cdaddy7Good add-on P +1....the more info the better the outcomes
Your bodys RAS (Reticular Activation System) acknowledges important/useful information and helps your body translate this from your short-term memory to your long-term memory. Thus any radical changes will spark interest in your RAS, which will then remember the processes your body uses to correct/optimise those changes in order to create an equilibrium and store them in your long-term memory bank
AnonIve got a question. Ive been hearing a lot about low estrogen causing joint pain, so I gather if you go a little too far with your AI meds then this can kick in. So if you get to that point and back off on the AI meds when will those side effects subside ?
zewiDepends on the AI your using..Aromasin has a half life of 27-34 hrs.. So if you stop Aromasin it would take about 2 days to clear. and Another 2 to 3 days for estro to spike--in all reality about 5-7 days to feel better.
As for Arimidex wich has a half life of 3-4 days... So Arimidex would be just a little longer more like 7-10 days for estro to be in place to were you were feeling better.
AnonOk thanks that is very helpful, as I see this as part of the "tuning " process. But how can you "tune" without knowing how long to wait for results. This kind of answer is crucial for those of us still making adjustments. Thank you !
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.Permalinkcdaddy7That's the part of knowing your body and how it reacts to compounds....my suggestion is to stick with a standard PCT for now until we can get some solid proof of the success r failure....Zewi, GS9902, and myself are the test subject for this and i think fast48 will b joining the mix, but we are the guinea pigs so we are adjusting to our personal experiences with all the compounds and making adjustments as we go. Because how am I to explain what i feel when I come off my cycle and consider it normal if I have not had a ton of cycles under my belt? We are basing progress with the years of the same normal experience coming off and in a little while we will do bloodwork and be able to back these claims......thats why I posted that the G&C&Z ultimate PCT was for advanced users for now
Im a total noob and have read several of your posts. They are all very informative and well worded. I appreciate the time you take to keep the new guys in the knowledge. Here is my question. I'm about to start my first aas cycle, plane jane test thats it. I am going to get nolvadex and clomid and adarax should I run my ai the whole cycle to be safe? Or just if my body tells me? I know I might sound dumb but I want to be healthy. Thanks for the knowledge again.
AnonSome of the stuff you guys have described was amazing, it was like I was telling my own experience of what my body and mind were going through. BTW Im going for blood work my self tomorrow, just hope I dont run in to a glitch due to my states law.
Like Zewi says the blockage of estrogen can not only make you feel and look better it can save your life! Messing with hormones is not to be taken lightly. Cdaddy and Zewi I really appreciate the effort and time you guys put in to help us with this. It's guys like you that make this site the absolute best anywhere!
cdaddy7+1 to u bigrigger bc ur attitude and ur aptitude to research and learn makes it all worth it to Zewi and i...We love helping u guys an ripping your asses apart when u are fuckin up bc we care...just think of us as big brothers looking out for u
I think Yes it hurts but I think ! but thats exactly it it hurts to think and thats some of these peoples problem . I know I probably dont express my gratitude for this community as often as I should BUt I really do. Thanks cdaddy and Thanks to everyone below You guys really do make a difference ! example
No eroids = me
weaks 1-20 dbol 200 mg ed
weaks 1-25 tren e 500 mg Twice a weak
weaks 1-?15? whatever feel like test e @ 1000mg
no pct
weaks 25- to life dd 's
I will make sure to give all the stats before asking for help! Thanks cdaddy7! Much love brother!
Had a friend recently refuse letro because never uses pct. he's on trt and doesn't get the connection between his trt need and his lack of pct.
He's only 4 cycles in. All have been with tren. He asked me tonight if he could take tren alone.,,,, I've told him a thousand times no. By the way, he's bloated all to hell. I almost didn't recognize him. His gym buddy said Arnold and frank Zane didn't have it and they're fine...... I'm going to tell him hell get even better gains if he injects his balls directly.
zewiLMAO--------People need to do research here you go Just for you Guys cause UNCLE ZEWIS CARES---
In all honesty they were taking an AI/PCT they just didn't know they were.
They all had Proviron in their cycle.. at the end for a bridge... and during their cycle..Arnold,frank Zane,etc, all of them
Proviron blocks this conversion process, of estro(blocks it). Proviron to treat a deficiency of testosterone called hypogonadism. Proviron can alleviate or reverse the symptoms of hypogonadism, which may include low sperm production, lessened libido, a decrease of muscle mass and bone density and difficulty remembering or concentrating.
Proviron-- doesn't effect LH or FSH in the body. However, By able to block estor and not have an affect on the natural bodies LH & FSH---while these guys were bridging with
Proviron it was acting like Nolva and Clomid when it comes to blocking estro which allowed the body on its own get back to normal without estro being in the way so the pituitary can make LH and send it to the testis for them to turn on...
NOW GO TELL YOUR FRIEND HE IS A DUMB-ASS
Okay...so here we are again, cdaddy. NOW I see why zewi was getting flustered earlier...as I was paying attention early to some of these posts you are referring to. I saw that it was being handled by others and declined to step in, but NOW here I am and I am about to repeat myself, lol. I guess some of this shit needs BEAT into some people's heads why you should do this or that, and why to run this compound and not that one, or this one with that one and at that dose, why pct is the way it is, why an AI, etc....AND NOW, in short this is why an AI:
The benefits of an AI are you'll feel alot better emotionally, have more energy, reduced water(bloat), burn off bodyfat better, increase libido...and also if you have too much estro flowing thru ya, whether still on-cycle or ending and embarking on pct, the higher levels of estro can actually rob your gains(strength or size wise). Not to mention, anyone ever heard of esto rebound..that's when you develop gyno(bitch tits) post-cycle. What does all that est do..it robs your test, that's what!!
I had a buddy who thought having all that estro was good for ya...didn't run an AI...did pct, and then pretty much lost everything post-cycle, especially size. Dude looked like he hardly even was hitting the gym, I swear he looked even smaller...no joke. True story.
cdaddy7I love me some DBAG!!!! +1
zewiGood stuff Dbag...
Thanks buddy...wrote it real quick, and like I said I was basically repeating myself from past threads/posts. Unbelieveable, isn't it? I could've cleaned that up a lil' better, but it got the point across and that's the POINT, LOL ;P
Anongood post bro
While we artificially pump up or hormones for growth we must also strive to safely reduce the negatives. Simple prevention is how these old champions you see onstage keep going. Like!
trying to maintain balance within the axis ?
Excellent post cdaddy (+1)!
zewiStroke is the third leading cause of death and the leading cause of age-related disability. Abnormal blood clotting in the cerebral blood vessels is the most common cause of stroke. Excess estrogen promotes abnormal blood clots
Estro Higher in Male Heart Attack Victims
High Estrogen in Men With Coronary Atherosclerosis
“low levels of total testosterone, testosterone/estradiol ratio and free androgen index and higher levels of estrone in men with coronary artery disease appear together with many features of metabolic syndrome and may be involved in the pathogenesis of coronary atherosclerosis.”
Estrogen and Prostate Cancer
The number one cause of death in men is the development of an abnormal blood clot (thrombus) in an artery that blocks blood flow to a critical region of the body such as the heart, lungs, or brain. Elevated estrogen predisposes people to these lethal thrombotic events.
It has been found that men admitted in hospitals with myocardial infarcts have elevated estradiol and lower testosterone levels.13 This was shown in an interesting study done on men admitted to the hospital with acute heart attacks whose levels of sex hormones were evaluated. Compared with control patients, estradiol levels in these heart attack patients were 180% higher, while bioavailable testosterone levels were nearly three times less than those of control patients.14
http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2008/nov2008_Dangers-of-Excess-Estrogen-i...
Anonbig zew you know it all bro your like a human roid computer
cdaddy7Its overlooked and so important to consider Z
zewiI agree.