DNP (2,4-Dinitrophenol) & How to Use.
DNP (2,4-Dinitrophenol) & How to Use.
What is DNP?
DNP is an inhibitor of efficient energy (ATP) production in cells with mitochondria. It uncouples oxidative phosphorylation by carrying protons across the mitochondrial membrane, leading to a rapid consumption of energy without generation of ATP.
How does it work?
In living cells, DNP acts as a proton ionophore, an agent that can shuttle protons (hydrogen cations) across biological membranes. It defeats the proton gradient across mitochondria and chloroplast membranes, collapsing the proton motive force that the cell uses to produce most of its ATP chemical energy. Instead of producing ATP, the energy of the proton gradient is lost as heat.
How can it Kill you?
The factor that limits ever-increasing doses of DNP is not a lack of ATP energy production, but rather an excessive rise in body temperature due to the heat produced during uncoupling. Accordingly, DNP overdose will cause fatal hyperthermia. In light of this, it's advised that the dose be slowly titrated according to personal tolerance, which varies greatly. Case reports have shown that an acute administration of 20–50 mg/kg in humans can be lethal.
A well written article of one users experience can be found here (http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sex_news_sports_funny_grok/i...).
To be clear:
The following I did not write. I have found it while doing my own personal research on the matter, and as far as I can tell it is one of the better written, and less reckless ways of employing this tool in your tool box. Many of the references I followed up and found that they are in fact accurate, but I have not double checked every reference sited. You may or may not want to do this on your own.
My Bottom Line:
I hope that before anyone engages in its use that they do themselves a solid and read up on it. Take it slow at first, as you may not be “feeling” like anything is happening at lower doses, there are still an affect occurring. The article I linked above illustrates what impatience is likely to serve you up with DNP.
FIRST GUIDLINE - Dosing:
Use ONLY 200mg a day for the first four days. I don't care that you don't "feel" anything yet and you wanna bump it up. DNP accumulates in the body, and not "feeling" something means NOTHING. It's there, and it's working (the effect on metabolism begins within two hours of the first dose!). Four days will let you test your tolerance: do you have an allergy? Does it give you a rash? etc.
Only after those four days do you bump it up, by 200mg a day. The average dose is 400-600/day, and more than that gets a little severe. A full gram is the highest dose I've heard anyone use. I've used that much, and it's hell. I like to stay around 600 a day, which is HOT but safe and effective. Take caps even hours apart through the day, ending about 4-5 PM.
SECOND GUIDLINE - How to eat on DNP:
This is purely personal experience, because some guys like to carb-deplete before using DNP (then eat carbs as usual while on), and other guys like a low-carb approach throughout. Both are fine. Using DNP is the only time that fructose is a desireable cutting carb, because it keeps the liver replentished. That reduces lethargy and spares muscle.
Be aware that eating high-carb foods WILL increase the heat sensation within an hour, and last about 2 hours. That means don't eat carbs before bed unless you want those night sweats to be even WORSE.
Personally, I ate whatever the hell I wanted! IHOP, chinese, fajitas...Yes, I burned hot, but I still lost 1.5 pounds every 2 days. Keep protein HIGH for muscles' sake, and try it yourself.
Foods I suggest including:
Blueberry yogurt. Blueberries are excellent antioxidants, and yogurt cultures help with digestive function, gas, and stool consistency (disgustingly soft stools are common during DNP).
Oregano-based foods. Oregano is perhaps one of the most potent antioxidants around,a nd one spoonful counts as a vegetable serving. See this article
Pineapple - I've found that pineapple helps alleviate those "DNP Blues". The fructose helps, and pineapple enzymes aid in protein digestion.
V8 - one 12-ounce can supplies six servings of veggies, concentrated as an excellent source of antioxidants, lycopene, and recovery of electrolytes.
Oatmeal - high-fiber foods are necessary. You'll find out why around, oh, day 5 or so. Trust me.
THIRD GUIDELINE - Supplements and DNP:
ECA - DNP is not a stimulant. To keep energy high and aid in fat loss, use an ECA. Some advisors suggest that regular ephedrine is preferable to norephedrine because of the more direct "hit" of energy.
Prohormones - perfectly fine on DNP. I used 1-AD just to help keep strength and muscle up, and it worked fine. No problems here. You won't GROW muscle on DNP, but it'll help with strength and protection.
Obvious stuff - multivitamin, ZMA, etc.
Biotest PowerDrive - No, I'm not pimping Biotest. But PowerDrive is an excellent pre-workout mixture that actually works. Plus it's low-carb (only 15 calories total), so it won't cause carb-heat in the middle of your workout.
Antioxidants - I'm giving my own personal list, and why I use them:
Alpha Lipoic Acid - aids in fat management and blood sugar, and an excellent antioxidant.
Grape seed extract
Syntrax Radox
Green Tea
Inositol - mood enhancement, antioxidant, and muscle support. 1 gram/3x day
Ellagic acid - protects cell DNA/RNA from damage by free radicals, and may even atack cancerous cells. 400mg/twice a day
Fruit antioxidants - beyond-a-century's powder of high-potency natural fruit anti's. 1 gram, 2-3x day.
Trimethylglyceine - antioxidant, helps move fat and blood lipids into the liver and out of the body. 500mg, 2x day.
Vitamins E and C
Supplements NOT to use:
Any medications that suppress energy. No allergy meds, antidepressants, muscle relaxers, or beta blockers. DNP will have you low as it is; don't worsen your body's energy by taking something that suppresses you further.
DRUGS - Sheesh, you'd think I wouldn't have to mention this, but two idiots in particular (right here on this forum) recently affirmed that some people still just don't get it. NO alcohol (not even "moderate"), NO ecstasy, NO GHB, etc. If you don't have the willpower to forego these habits, DNP is not for you.
Syntrax Swole - a personal discovery. I tried Swole while on DNP...once. Two hours of hell, feeling inside-out.
FOURTH GUIDELINE - working out on DNP:
Keep lifting short, 30-40 minutes. DNP works very well, causing your body to use 150% or more the calories per action you'd normally use. That means DON'T try to repeat your usual workouts. Drop to moderate weights, 8-12 reps, not to failure, and with plenty of walking rest between sets. You are NOT going to grow muscle on DNP, so don't use your usual heavy routine. Since DNP can cause light-headedness and heat dizzyness, you have my permission to skip squats in favor of leg presses this time.
Cardio is a controversial one. My advice - do NOT do cardio on high doses of DNP (600mg or more). It's dangerous and counterproductive. Below that amount, some cardio is fine, but keep it to 20 minutes and not at full-gallop. Remember, DNP will drain water from your quickly, causing you to leech out minerals, vitamins, and salts. Don't overdo it.
During exercise, consume at least 1 liter of water per 30 minutes of work, whether you're thirsty or not. DNP is evil in the way it blunts thirst, while at the same time doing the cruel trick of bloating your body with water WHILE dehydrating you from water in your organs. MAKE yourself drink. Always folllow DNP exercise with antioxidants, carbs, and this is a good time to use your multivitamin.
Don't feel embarrassed about poor workouts. Just this morjning I did a workout with a whopping nine sets (wimp!) before calling it quits. Listen to your body, and let it tell you when enough's enough; don't guage workouts by what you usually can do otherwise.
Here's my research. This is AMAZING! Not only has not a single test found it to be carcinogenic, but test after tyest after test find that DNP actually ATTACKS cancer cells, and helps anti-cancer medications work better, and helps anti-leukemia medications work without destroying cell DNA, and suppresses tumor growth by 20-50%. The summaries are all right here, friends. Karma me up!
DNP is Ames negative, and does not promote tumors. See for yourself at http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/
http://www.epa.gov/ttn/atw/hlthef/dinitrop.html reports on health risks. While there have not been human studies, animal studies found no cancers caused by DNP administration. It is considered a toxin because it causes nausea, sweating, and weight loss.
http://www.cyberiron.com/drugs/dinitrophenol.html reports on halth risks from external exposue. In other words, don’t get it in your eyes, or on your skin if you’re allergic. Pretty elementary stuff.
http://www.ebec2000.com/abstracts/056.htm This animal study documents a 64% increase in metabolism. "These findings confirm that DNP effectively increases metabolic rate..." Duh.
http://www.zymed.com/pdf/04-xxxx/04-8300.pdf A PDF file about an antidote to DNP.
http://www.boehringer-ingelheim.es/...glesa/cap13.htm finds that DNP did not activate liver enzymes (MAT) associated with liver damage
"Comparative study of toxicity of 4-nitrophenol and 2,4-dinitrophenol in newborn and young rats." Koizumi M, Yamamoto Y, Ito Y, Takano M, Enami T, Kamata E, Hasegawa R. Division of Risk Assessment, National Institute of Health Sciences, 1-18-1 Kamiyoga, Seta***a-ku, Tokyo 158-8501, Japan. This study found that DNP can induce death in overdosed amounts, but that up to that point no toxicity was evident, nor were there any abnormalities in physical development.
"Phenol toxicity and conjugation in human colonic epithelial cells." Pedersen G, Brynskov J, Saermark T. Dept of Medical Gastroenterology, Herlev University Hospital, Copenhagen, Denmark.. This study found that DNP has a toxic effect on cells of the colon, with "toxic" defined in two ways: first, it interfered with metabolism (this we know—it’s the intended effect of DNP users!) and second, it interfered with bowel inflammation (not a health risk. This is caused by osmotic effect, with the worst results being softened stools and gas).
"Mechanisms of bacterial resistance to macrolide antibiotics." Nakajima Y. Division of Microbiology, Hokkaido College of Pharmacy, 7-1 Katsuraoka-cho, Otaru, Hokkaido 047-0264, Japan. This study found that antibiotic-resistant bacteria could be thwarted with DNP. "the extent of the accumulated drug in a resistant cell increases as much as that in a susceptible cell in the presence of an uncoupling agent such as…2,4-dinitrophenol (DNP)."
"Absence of Crabtree effect in human melanoma cells adapted to growth at low pH: reversal by respiratory inhibitors." Burd R, Wachsberger PR, Biaglow JE, Wahl ML, Lee I, Leeper DB. Departments of Radiation Oncology, Kimmel Cancer Center, Thomas Jefferson University, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19107, USA. Check this out—DNP actually helps make melanoma tumors easier to attack by increasing ratio of oxygen consumption to lactic acid production, while glycolysis remains the same. "Therefore, tumor acute acidification and oxygenation can be achieved by exposure…"
"New insights in the cellular processing of platinum antitumor compounds, using fluorophore-labeled platinum complexes and digital fluorescence microscopy."
Molenaar C, Teuben JM, Heetebrij RJ, Tanke HJ, Reedijk J. Department of Molecular Cell Biology, Leiden University Medical Centre, The Netherlands. DNP is used as a control in tests of antitumor cells because it does NOT bind to cell DNA, nor promote tumors, yet its staining abilities enable tracking of the uptake of antitumor drugs.
Specific inhibition of breast cancer cells by antisense poly-DNP-oligoribonucleotides and targeted apoptosis." Ru K, Taub ML, Wang JH. Department of Biochemistry, State University of New York, Buffalo 14260-3000, USA Are you ready for this? DNP actually INHIBITS (!!!) breast cancers! Yes, not only does it NOT promote cancers, it’s being recognized as a cancer-fighter/blocker. "Two membrane-permeable and RNase-resistant antisense poly-2'-O-(2,4-dinitrophenyl)-oligoribonucleotides (poly-DNP-RNAs) have been synthesized as inhibitors of human breast cancer…fluorescence assay indicates that the targeted antisense inhibition by poly-DNP-RNAs leads to apoptosis of SK-Br-3 cells but does not affect nontumorigenic MCF-10A cells. The control poly-DNP-RNAs with random or sense nucleotide sequence are completely inactive." Plain English? DNP can be synthesized as an anti-cancer compound, because tests show that it blocks mutagens but does NOT affect non-mutagenic (healthy) cells, and has no RNA effects on them.
"Heat shock protein induction by certain chemical stressors is correlated with their cytotoxicity, lipophilicity and protein-denaturing capacity." Neuhaus-Steinmetz U, Rensing L. Institute of Cell Biology, Biochemistry and Biotechnology, NW II University of Bremen, Germany. The thermic effect of DNP induces protein synthesis (heat shock protein, or HSP, synthesis). In fact, it’s quite GOOD at it: "ASA, DNP and CCCP induced HSP at lower concentrations than substances with a similar lipophilicity…"
"Comparative effects of the metabolic inhibitors 2,4-dinitrophenol and iodoacetate on mouse neuroblastoma cells in vitro." Andres MI, Repetto G, Sanz P, Repetto M.
National Institute of Toxicology, Seville, Spain. In this study, DNP’s observed effect was an increase in metabolism (duh!), while the other toxins compared to it had harmful in vitro effects but no increase in metabolism.
"Inhibition of uncoupled respiration in tumor cells. A possible role of mitochondrial Ca2+ efflux." Gabai VL.Medical Radiology Research Center, Russian Academy of Medical Sciences, Obninsk. DNP not only does not cause tumors, but it inhibited their respiration by 20-25% compared to controls.
"Amsacrine-induced lesions in DNA and their modulation by novobiocin and 2,4-dinitrophenol." Shibuya ML, Buddenbaum WE, Don AL, Utsumi H, Suciu D, Kosaka T, Elkind MM. Department of Radiology and Radiation Biology, Colorado State University, Fort Collins 80523. In this study, researchers found that DNP abrogates—or disrupts—cytotoxicity in hamsters (using cancerous cells). They expected to find that DNP would interfere with anticancer treatments, but instead found that DNP increased their effects. They state, though, that they cannot claim a proven effect of DNP on anticancer treatments yet, although they do agree that treatment with DNP actually enhanced the effects of the DNA regenerative therapy of anticancer chemotherapy.
"Induction of endonucleolytic DNA cleavage in human acute myelogenous leukemia cells by etoposide, camptothecin, and other cytotoxic anticancer drugs: a cautionary note." Kaufmann SH. Oncology Center, Johns Hopkins Hospital, Baltimore, Maryland 21205. The authors warn that certain anti-leukemia drugs resulted in "extensive DNA degradation." BUT (good ol’ DNP to the rescue!), "Preincubation with dinitrophenol abolished the effect…"
"[Dependence of the nature of the action of metabolic inhibitors on ribosomal RNA synthesis in Ehrlich ascites carcinoma cells on cell integrity]" [Article in Russian] Akhlynina TV, Buzhurina IM, Panov MA, Rozovskaia IA, Chernaia NG. DNP actually inhibits the synthesis of RNA in carcinoma cells. In other words, it helps cancerous cells commit suicide by neutering themselves. "Ribosomal RNA (rRNA) synthesis in the intact Ehrlich ascite carcinoma cells is selectively inhibited by papaverin (ED50 = 0.01 mM), 2,4-dinitrophenol (DPN; ED50 = 5 microM), and actinomycin D (ED50 = 0.1 microgram/ml)."
"Autocatabolism of surface macromolecules shed by human melanoma cells." Bystryn JC, Perlstein J. Cancer Res 1982 Jun;42(6):2232-7. This study finds that DNP helps melanoma cells die (autocatabolize) while other cells are unaffected.
http://www.geocities.com/byggdegstor/dnpforside - tons of research, including medical studies. Excerpts:
DNP does not cause liver damage: "Their analyses demonstrate, beyond a doubt, that the liver does not suffer any damage in the course of dinitro treatment." (Biological Study of Dinitro Drugs in Humans By Dr. Jacques Bell. Bell, Jacques. 1939. Etude biologique des produits dinitres chez l'homme. Medecine. 19:749-54. Translation © 1996 Robert Ames)
Also: "Experimental studies on animals do not show toxic effects of dinitrophenol on the kidney. Anatomical-pathological examinations of animals, even those which died from a massive dose of dinitrophenol, do not reveal any important anatomical changes, except a small degree of cytolysis. Clinical documents are not abundant, but, on the whole, do not seem to demonstrate that dinitrophenol is toxic for the kidneys."
"Dinitrophenol has almost no action on the blood cholesterol. (Grant and Schube)."
"it doesn't seem that dinitrophenol at usual clinical doses is likely to harm the kidneys."
"Dinitrophenol is remarkable for its absence of effect on the cardio-vascular system...dinitrophenol is absolutely devoid of toxicity for the heart."
"Dinitrophenol does not attack cell tissue albumin and does not determine the fat loss to the expense of the muscles, contrary to thyroxine."
"dinitrophenol offers this precious advantage that the cessation of its use at the slightest appearance of signs indicating an imminence of intoxication results immediately in the arrest of those symptoms." (Professor Pouchet)."
Interestingly, one medical theory on a health ADVANTAGE of DNP is that the slight increase in thermogenic temperature simulates the fever a body induces during a viral attack. The body increases itsheat to protect organs but kill viruses, and some theorize that DNP can do the same thing, thus killing viruses in the body. In this mechanism, DNP may have an immune-enhancing effect.
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SpyVOkay, so as promised I was going to provide a bit of a log to go with my first hand experience and account of using DNP.
First things first, I'll try to provide some context. I'm using Olympic Pharma's DNP - 100mg Capsules. I'll take a picture of the bottle, and a cut open capsule tomorrow and post it.
Started with 200mg, 100 in the morning, 100 after work (approx 4:30) on Apr 18th. Followed it up on the 19th the same. I reported in another thread that I was thirsty throughout these first three days, and that I was fatigued, but I couldn't tell if the fatigue was attributed to work or DNP.
On the 20th I had not seen nor felt any sides, or anything beyond being more thirsty then normal, so at lunch I added another 100mg's, bringing the total up by the end of that day to 300mg's. If anything, I felt fantastic on the 20th, and so I was confident with bumping it up on the next day.
So along comes Saturday, I started off with 200mg in the morning, 200mg at noon, and 200mg late afternoon/early evening. Again, no sides at this point other then I sensed being warmer, however an oral thermometer revealed a rather normal body temperature.
Posted in another thread, and was reminded that DNP is accumalitive and that I should dial it back a bit and be patient. As my overall goal is to run it for close to 3 weeks, I definitely have no problem dialing it back. My impatience I feel stems more from being uncertain as to the legitamacy of the product. Interestingly, I have a few friends who run their Test and other products and those appear to be legit. Atleast insofar as I can tell.
So Sunday, the 22nd I took 5 100mg capsules throughout the day. This was the first time I can honestly say I felt the "heat". And it certainly wasn't anything oppressive. I just felt mildly sweaty that whole day, occassionally a little short of breath.
Monday the 23rd. Same thing as the day before, 5 100mg capsules throughout the day. Had quite the blast of morning PT, and I felt short of breath and overheated the entire time. But I couldn't dial back the intensity, so it was what it was. Atleast 3 to 4 additional litres of water intake over a normal day. That entire day I was perpetually sweaty and hot. Had a few "sweaty" comments, but again, my work place is tolerant of that, hah. It wasn't uncomfortable, but it was mildly irritating, if this dosage shows signs of working then I'll definitely maintain it as I feel all the sides are easily managable. I should mention however that at night here my window is wide open and the fan is pointing right at me. Sunday night I slept like a baby like this, and didn't wake up once, or wrap myself up in blankets in the middle of the night. And at night its dropping down to 2 or 3 celsius, hah.
Anyways, the scale has shown a gain of approx 2lbs, my guess is its the water retention, I don't think I've drank so much water outside of Afghanistan. Planning to maintain a 500mg/day dosage throughout the rest of the week, and then re-weigh to see if there is any change. And at the end of the cycle I'll remeasure the BF%.
nice update, if it is your first cycle of DNP and you intend sticking at 500mg per day, keep your water very high and i would honestly come off after 10 to 12 days
if it is decent DNP you will WANT to come off it, in fact you will be counting the minutes before you an come off it.
even if you feel it is not very good DNP, by coming off after the 10 or 12 days and then giving your body 4 or 5 days to lose the excess water you will see what the results are.
if you have no loss or very little loss then at least you wont have wasted a further 10 or 18 days or what ever taking understrength products.
you should be feeling lethargic, clammy and drained of energy and weak ( not the nicest feeling in thew world). the aeolis DNP i took at stupid doses for a long time was poor and i got those feelings you are describing, it was good in that i didnt need a jumper or coat and could just wear a t shirt when out in the cold, but it was not good enough to give the night sweats.
you should be on a towel when you go to bed and the towel should be soaked through
please though, no matter what, dont go above 500mg if this is your first time using DNP.
i have send a friends request so i can pass you details of Drake DNP which i know 100% is full strength just in case you decide the ones you have are under strength
SpyVThanks again for the feedback.
Have been coasting on 500 to 600mg of DNP daily now since I last posted. The sweats have become intense, frequently short of breath, especially during any type of excercise.
Fortunately its cool here, so at 1 or 2 celsius at night I open the window fully and have the fan blasting me. I still sweat, but atleast I can fall asleep.
From what I can tell, the DNP just took awhile to affect me, I kept reading everyone experiencing the effects by day 4 etc, so I assumed I would too. As the case happened to be, it took much longer for it to kick into gear for me, but since it has I've been feeling all of the above (lethargic, clammy, sweaty, drained and weak)
I totally racked out the other night after work on my couch, and soaked through my shirt and couch. Several hours later I picked up my girlfriend from work, and she sat down there and was complaining about the couch being wet. Suffice to say she wasn't impressed to learn it was my sweat.
For the most part I find I just need some extra caffeine to fight off the sleepies, but if I sit down and get too comfy I'm asleep, and its not a restful sleep. Seems like the temperature goes up when the lights go out and you sweat buckets.
Every morning its like the gobi desert in my mouth, I usually typically breathe through my nose when sleeping, and due to the feeling of shortness of breath I find im purely mouth breathing at night. A good nasal spray like Otrivin or something for moisture is great, and of course, water everywhere.
I'm uncertain of my weight loss at this point, on the scale Im 207 now, from 209 as a start weight. 209 was my daily morning weight taken over a week period. Now I'm consistently weighing in at 207 in the morning, with indications that actual weightloss is occuring. However the results at present are untrustworthy, the shear amount of fluid retention and loss while on DNP is hard to describe. I sweat non-stop, and anytime I eat it stokes the fires.
Anywho, I'm coming up quick on my end date, so I'll let people know after that whats going on.
Good update I'm glad it picked up for you. I always have 2 towels 1for pillow and other for body a large bottle of water by bed also. You will stain everything yellow so wear dark clothing and don't Lay down on light carpet or sheets. Your piss will look brown in the loo also. I normally lose 5 to 7 lbs after I stop taking it.
So guess I shouldn't toss my girl some dnp (2g/day) and tell her shels been lookin a little thick? Ill save that if she inherits a lot of $$$
SpyVFor those interested, I am at present waiting on some DNP. I'll be documenting my application and experience with it and will likely add it to this. I'll be taking BF measurements etc, and I'll hopefully give a good indication of what you can achieve at lower doses. Me personally, I don't see any value in doing these "inferno" styled applications of it and going up to 600 mg's a day.
unless you are 20 stone, 600mg of correctly dosed legit DNP is too much
i have used 800mg per day of aeolis DNP, i did it for 23 days or so in total, it is why i wont use that brand again
weak DNP is dangerous and gives people a false sense
needless to say i used 400mg of Drake DNP and got more from that on a 10 day cycle better results, more intense DNP feelings
use legit DNP and you shouldnt really need to go above 400mg, crap or weak DNP and to be honest you have no idea how much you are actually injesting
SpyVI should have clarified that better. I was saying I have no intention of doing 600mg a day. And yes, dosing is an incredibly hard aspect of this.