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  • moe_lester's picture
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  • moe_lester
  • 3 hours ago

Hi guys

I usually only post a negative review after i get scammed out of buying steroids online and yes after two months im still wairing and fake tracking number still invalid but i must be a troll scam competitor or unable to accept that Canada post is always to blame for orders not received. Maybe if i do a fake positive review i can keep the scam going.

So after not getting my order i decided to place another order for $3000 and the process was flawless. I receved my order in 2 days and everything was packaged beautifully with double erapping and a when i opened the box it smelled like rose petals. I tested all the products with my labmax test kit and tons green floresence confirming real product. Proroid even included a complimentary t shirt and a years supply of protein powder. These guys rock and really should get a trophy for steroid scammer of the year. Dont believe fake positive reviews. The fact they return emails and send invalid tracking numbers and blame canadacpist just keeps the scam going. Im going the mexico pharma route as been burned twice online now.

Communication & Ordering process

Scam

Delivery (T/A) & Packaging

Scam

Items ordered

Scam

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  • BlazinCaucasian
  • 2 days ago

Reviewed by a non-active member of eroids.com

I am not affiliated in any way with proroid or eroids and I'm the kind of person that will usually only post a review after I have a negative experience. However, after my last order with proroid and it being such a smooth, flawless transaction, I felt obligated to post about my positive experience given all of the unfounded negative reviews posted on here lately.

Admittedly, I was hesitant to place another order after reading several reviews saying that they had been waiting 4+ weeks for their order. However, my past 3 orders had all been received in a timely manner so I decided to give them the benefit of the doubt and order again. I opted to pay Moneygram, but the payment would not be accepted. I then placed another order and tried paying through Western Union, which was also declined. At this point I was starting to believe the reviews I had read, but the quick communication from proroid led me to placing my first order using bitcoin. This process was easy to follow and my payment was received about an hour after sending it. I received a confirmation of shipment the next night and a tracking number that wasn't in Canada Post's system yet. I would just like to say that, THIS IS 100% ON CANADA POST! The tracking number still hadn't been entered the next day, but lo and behold the following day I came home to a delivery notice from Canada Post. Three days after I had placed my order the products arrived with exactly everything I ordered.

I will continue to use proroid in the future and would highly recommend that everyone else does as well. They aren't in the business of ripping you off and if you ensure that your shipping address is correct and you pay properly, you will get what you order! Be patient and remember that we aren't exactly dealing with products that are legal.

Communication & Ordering process

Their communication is excellent and they have always gotten back to me a couple hours after contacting them. I had issues with Moneygram and Western Union and they let me know that bitcoin payment was available again.

Delivery (T/A) & Packaging

Packaging is always discreet and properly wrapped and secured. I've never not received something that I ordered and it has always arrived in a timely manner

Items ordered

I've ordered a plethora of different products from proroid from Teragon Test E to Generic Pharma Cialis to Norvotrop HCG.

Product effectivenes and experience

I've never had an issue with product quality. Everything that I have received has been authentic and did was it was supposed to do. You get what you pay for.

Additional commentary

I'm honestly baffled that proroid gets such a bad rap around here. They are one of the best suppliers in Canada and I will continue to use them with confidence in the future. Thank you proroid!

I recommend shopping here!
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  • LEGIONISTAKANAD...
  • 2 weeks ago

The Best Source-Supplier on a market.
Everything om time, perfect customer service.. very friendly and answer asap.

Communication & Ordering process

Perfect communication : any questions answered no longer than 1-3 hours

Delivery (T/A) & Packaging

Perfect packaging , double wrapped
Broken products " 0 "

Items ordered

Teragon Labs - Test Propionate 100mg/ml 10ml vial
Metabolic - Winstrol-10 10mg/tab 100tabs
Teragon Labs - Anavar 20mg/tab 50tabs
Teragon Labs - Viagra 100mg/tab 20tabs
HCG 5000i.u./vial, Norvo Pharmaceuticals Co., LTD, Russia

Northern – Clomid 50mg/tab 50 tabs
Teragon Labs - Clen 50mcg/tab 50 tabs
Teragon Labs - Winstrol INJECT 50mg/ml 10ml
Teragon Labs - Cialis 20mg/tab 20tabs
Teragon Labs - Clen 50mcg/tab 50 tabs
Teragon Labs - Trenbolone Enanthate 200mg/ml 10ml vial

Product effectivenes and experience

Product quality A+, Me and my friends are using proroid products more than 1 year, and so far every one is happy, and will still order only from them

Additional commentary

I did order before, twice from different sources, but after I found Proroid source, I will never order from any other supplier.

So far 10 orders, all of them on time , product quality A+, never had a missing products and the prices are the best part of it.

Thans Proroid for all.

I recommend shopping here!
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  • moe_lester
  • 3 weeks ago

Update to some prior posts from about a month ago. Received shipping confirmation on May 27th, 2018 along with a Canada Post tracking number from Proroid. To this date I have received nothing and the tracking number is still invalid. I have been to Canada post office twice and they have searched by tracking number and my name and nothing in their system. Response from Proroid is that product has been shipped and to be PATIENT. At this point I offered Proroid to ship me a cheaper product if the one I ordered is out of stock or more difficult to ship. I ordered 2 x Test cypionate from Northern for about $70 each but at this point will accept the less expensive Teragon product.

I am interested in a lab that can provide "real product" and "reasonable" shipping times. The cost is least of my concern so if anyone has any suggestions please let me know. I am not interested in quick shipping if the product is fake but, if it is possible to order real test cypionate online with reasonable (less than 4 weeks) shipping time then I am very interested.

Thanks
Moe
P.S. If by some miracle the proroid order arrives I will update the review.

I have NOT received my order!
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  • elements24
  • 3 weeks ago

Reviewed by a non-active member of eroids.com

This is my honest review of these guys. From what I have read in this place so far, it will probably be deleted as it is a real and positive review for these guys.

Communication & Ordering process

Only one time I required the support from them and it was due to a bitcoin payment I screwed up on my first order. Very helpful and cleaned up my mess of a payment. Now I understand how it all works. Am 4 orders in and all perfect and flawless service.

Delivery (T/A) & Packaging

3 days at most for me. However last order took 4 days as was some delay with the post so not on these guys part or fault.

Items ordered

All northern pharma labs
- Mastrone
- trenbolone ace
- superdrol
- clomifen
- nolvadex
- Arctotropin gh

Product effectivenes and experience

Used other brands in the past and am very happy with this brand. I have used this brand before from a gym source once and it was good then and is now. Cycle consists of

  • 100mg Trenbolone eod
  • 100mg Mastrone eod
  • 20mg superdrol ed
  • nolvadex as needed
  • cloifen after the cycle standard protocol
  • gh - 5iu a day

Results, am up in weight by 20lbs, fat loss is present as went down from 15%-8-9% now. Pumps are unreal, it is always good and motivation through the roof when you get unreal pumps. Extremely happy with the results I have attained on this cycle.

Additional commentary

Good guys, and service. My recommendation is once you order, you will not want to go elsewhere. They have fantastic discounts and prices. Puts an easy to ordering and not having to get garbage sometimes for much higher prices in a gym connection that just wants to unload something on you. I would recommend to anyone.

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I recommend shopping here!
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  • biggreedy780
  • 3 weeks ago

Ordered on Tuesday night with bitcoin received it on Friday morning. was kind of a pain in the ass trying to figure out how to get a wallet buy the bitcoin. Once you understand whats going on its not difficult anymore. Only thing is there is fees associated with buying bitcoin from exchanges and they make you verify your identity to accommodate money laundering laws. I read other reviews about shitty tracking numbers so it made me apprehensive but i decided to give it a shot. I paid directly with bitcoin and an hour later my payment was confirmed next day it updated to completed and they emailed me a tracking number. it didn't work at the start which kinda made me worried but a day later it said in transit. I think it doesn't work initially because they are using prepaid parcels and then deposit it into mail box for maximum anonymity . So it doesn't show in the system right away. Got my package Friday everything was in it. Did first shot was smooth im overall happy with my experience until this point. Will update if the gear is good but from the looks of it you wouldnt put this much effort into faking anything that looks this professional or maybe you would we will see.

Communication & Ordering process

Didn't need to contact support since my payment went through smoothly and i gave it a few days before i panicked about the tracking number.

Items ordered

Northern Pharma letrozole
Northern Pharma aromasin
Northern Pharma nolvadex
Northern Pharma sialis
Northern Pharma sustanon 250
Northern Pharma albuterol

Product effectivenes and experience

Pills are coated and color coded. Looks professional. Vial labels look professional.
Just pinned the sustanon went in smooth so far no pain. Will update on effects of all gear.
impressed so far

Additional commentary

Buy bitcoin put it into your wallet then send it.
You will definitely get what you ordered.

I recommend shopping here!
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  • konduct
  • 4 weeks ago

Reviewed by a non-active member of eroids.com

This is very long overdue review for proroid - 5 successful orders in

Surprised that someone are making negative reviews (maybe comp. trying to discredit as these guys literally sell for half the price of anyone else), but friends I referred to these guys from work and the gym is very great-full and happy like myself.

Communication & Ordering process

From proroid side i never had problem in communication.
They are always taking care of customers and any email is answered same day.

Delivery (T/A) & Packaging

It is domestic Canada shipping so 2-3 days and order arrives.

Items ordered

Teragon Tren E
Teragon Mast E
Northern Superdrol
Teragon Nolvadex
Teragon Arimidex
Northern CYX3
Teragon Clomid
HCG

Product effectivenes and experience

This was super lean bulking cycle (2.5 months) and my weight increase 17lbs. my shoulders were big and nice shape. Arm size increase 1 inch (they grow easy). chest and stomach fat melted away. Increase in legs thickness and veins in calves appeared.

On the pumps side i looked superb. Whenever in gym i trained hard and veins came out like crazy. More density in muscles and just veins everywhere.

Additional commentary

Me and my friends love proroid products. One of my friend uses regularly proroid (which told me about them when I started) and he is very happy with them.

I recommend shopping here!
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  • jman12
  • 4 weeks ago

i too purchased products from pro roid 4 weeks ago. again tracking number was garbage like the other guys here. havent received anything. keep getting told be patient. now hes saying its lost or i received it and am lying basically. stay away ! prices are lo cuz he rips us off and most get nothing.its a scam and the guys a crook

I have NOT received my order!
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  • gearboy
  • 1 month ago

Reviewed by a non-active member of eroids.com

i am thankful for these guys. i rely on them.

Communication & Ordering process

got in about 2 or 3 days in the mail after ordering.

Delivery (T/A) & Packaging

fine

Items ordered

current cycle - tren e, test e, eq.
past tren a, test p, masterone.

Product effectivenes and experience

So i get blood tests from my doctor cause I'm on trt and i buy from proroid.

I missed a weekly dose (flu) and got tested and my test had TANKED to extremely low levels...got back on schedule and took 150 ml teragon test e (during cruise about 2 months ago) then retested blood and i was slightly above the top range of the high end.

If i ever had a doubt that their stuff is good and real ....it is gone.

regarding the teragon Tren ace or eth - wow, you can feel your heart beat in your throat when taking it. I had to drop from 400 to 250 p/w because it is so strong

Additional commentary

wish it was legal so i didn't have to do this in the shadows

I recommend shopping here!
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  • mblift
  • 1 month ago

It's been almost 4 weeks for me . So they are giving old tracking numbers out? Does anybody know where proroid is based out of? Pretty sure I've been ripped off too . I know alot of people In canada this scam isnt tolerated well with some people I know . Any kind of info would be appreciated

I have NOT received my order!
  • Mack674's picture
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  • Mack674
  • 1 month ago

Placed orders for over a year with no issues. I had observed a lot of bad reviews here recently so I actually originally intended to defend proroid as I'd had nothing but great service so far. Until -

Most previous order I was given an old tracking number that never entered the Canada post system and did not receive any package after 3 weeks.

Contacted supplier for info, they told me to wait and everything is fine. Asked for a refund, they said they don't do bitcoin refunds. They also lied in public forums saying the tracking number is valid and working (It never has, and I've kept all of the emails and records, screenshots etc proving this)

Thankfully it was a smaller order - but it's a dice roll if you want to buy anything here if you're going to receive it or not.

I have NOT received my order!
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  • dehydratedsoul
  • 1 month ago

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I have ordered from Pro-roid about 4 times over the last year "2018"
I have had zero issues with quality, i have ordered:

In fact, i just ordered my 4th order today:

I have NOT received my order!
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  • skerlok
  • 1 month ago

Reviewed by a non-active member of eroids.com

I have ordered from Proroid for a while, and i never had a problem receiving any of my products. I have a different way i pay with them, but I have never had a problem other than one time i got it sent to the wrong address and i paid them the shipping to have it resent to my proper address, my fault. Products always gave the side effects and results that i expected, i currently have a massive cyst on my back that i need to go get popped by a doctor, and no, not from an injection, not that flexible.

Communication & Ordering process

Excellent

Delivery (T/A) & Packaging

Excellent

Items ordered

everything under the sun: hgh, test e, anadrol, dbol, hcg, tren, and most other things.

Product effectivenes and experience

The quality appears to be there. Been using for a couple years. Everyone knows i am on, and i aint telling them, so it is doing something.

I recommend shopping here!
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  • AndrewBlack0
  • 1 month ago

Been ordering off these guys for a while like most. Good products, good service.

Communication & Ordering process

No real need to contact them, as just make orders and are shipped.

Delivery (T/A) & Packaging

Products, are packaged well. All good

Items ordered

Clen from Teragon Labs and viagra (generic indian ones)

Product effectivenes and experience

Products work as they should, used many times before and never had any issues. Clen 2 tabs a day does the trick for weight loss. Viagra, take half a tab at a time as it is strong and do not need more then that.

Additional commentary

Have recommended to many others and all my friends are happy with them. Would recommend to others if you are looking for good quality products for a much lower price. This is why these guys are #1 in Canada.

I recommend shopping here!
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  • Labradorian101
  • 1 month ago

I am surprised at how many people complain about proroid.com
I have quite a few orders and just received another order with them. I always have issues with tracking from canada post but not once did I not get my order in a timely manner and never worry cause I know they will come through.
I have the greatest respect for these individuals and they always come through with good products at great prices. If they were not legit , they would not be around as long as they are . Made my life alot easier then dealing with the street rats who scam the shit out of you . You really cant get a better deal anywhere .

Communication & Ordering process

Fast and professional

Delivery (T/A) & Packaging

Always sealed in bubble wrap and packed so well.

Items ordered

This order viagara ,cialis and enanthenate
Last order , cialis, viagra, enanthenate, anavar,deca,dbol,cypionate and t400

Product effectivenes and experience

Quality was good on all products, been using the proroid products for 2 years and 8 months now and will continue to.

Additional commentary

I recommend proroid to everyone and all the gear I used so far is very good.

I recommend shopping here!
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  • ponyboygoldenboy
  • 1 month ago

Reviewed by a non-active member of eroids.com

I have been using proroid for 3 years on and off, I get all my stuff from them. they have been good so far, but this time I ordered a product from them (clen) and it came across as being water damaged, old/expired and not very potent. so disappointed that I made an account and had to write a poor review. I hope they read this and do more checks on the items they stock as to not send customers bunk/expired or under dosed gear.

Edit: I will add though that I will continue to shop with them as until this point have sent orders promptly with always what I ordered at very good prices and of good quality.

Communication & Ordering process

always relatively good

Delivery (T/A) & Packaging

packaging damaged this time, but typically quite good

Items ordered

clenbuterol

Product effectivenes and experience

very low quality, suspected water damage and not working. under dosed or flat out bunk.

I recommend shopping here!
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  • mblift
  • 1 month ago

Ordered may 27th payment received and shipped . Proroid sent me a Canada post tracking number . Unfortunately canada post still hasnt enter this in there tracking system. Its been 10 days ???? Emails have been answered at least .Hoping i still get my order

I have NOT received my order!
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  • Hugo1
  • 1 month ago

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Hello, I registered just to be able to leave a notice has proroid. This is the first time I ordered here in Canada so I was not very reassured about the sellers. So I ordered Friday night, with payment bitcoin, really fast and easy. My order was shipped on Sunday. After that proroid gave me a tracking number that was invalid. So I tried the next day, the number was still invalid; So I sent an email to Proroid telling them the problem, they answered me during the day by telling me that the problem was from post canada and not from home because my order was given post canada. Tuesday same problem, I begin to worry I send them an email saying that it is not normal and that their number is a fake, he tells me to be patient and not to inquire (difficult). Wednesday I finally see that my order was shipped (I was really happy) in the end I received my order Thursday in perfect condition. To summarize I would like to thank Proroid for their seriousness and their customer service, however Canada Post has really been long and it is exclusively their fault. Thank you Proroid, good experience with you !!!!

And just one thing to all readers : BE PATIENT !!

Sorry for my english i used google translation

Communication & Ordering process

perfect, proroid answered all my emails in the day

Delivery (T/A) & Packaging

discreet packaging.

Items ordered

Northern Pharma Clen
Northern Pharma Albuterol

I recommend shopping here!
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  • Junkieslip
  • 1 month ago

Update: the item is now in the Canada posts system but it was sent to the undeliverable mail office in Scarborough. I spoke to a Canada post rep and he said it could be something broke and it’s licking or somebody put a label where my address is. Now I gotta wait more until this issue is resolved

I have NOT received my order!
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  • moe_lester
  • 2 months ago

This is an update to a post from a week ago regarding Proroid not receiving my bitcoin payment. Firstly, I want to say that yes I am new to buying product online as my doctor won't fill my prescription anymore. Second everyone says to really research the labs, etc which is what I did and once I filtered out some of the negative comments mostly what I read on Proroid was positive. But what inspired me to actually make an order was the fact that they responded to my e-mails guaranteeing product and providing refunds and reimbursement for any negative lab results. Great. The problem is that I didn't get the f..kin product. I sent proroid proof of my bitcoin payment showing pictures of the address where I sent the funds which were validated on bitcoin.info.com however they still denied that payment had been sent. You could also see that the initial bitcoin address that received the funds then sent payment to another bitcoin address immediately after so no wonder difficult to reconcile receipt of payment. In any event the receipt of payment was still denied by proroid so I posted the review below from one week ago. I then got an email from proroid that they will not resolve my issue since I made the post. Then I get an e-mail that payment has been received then I get shipping confirmation on May 27th, 2018. The tracking number was not valid and still is not valid. To Proroid: I did not receive my order. To your comment about my making 8 prior orders yes but not to f..k you over but because I was new to bitcoin and you website said I could pay by interact and credit card which I tried to do with prior orders. I could not determine payment method without getting to the order stage and then I finally realized that bitcoin was the best option. I went to bitcoin ATM and fed in an appropriate amount of cash which was based on placing prior orders that gave me the bitcoin requirement. Once the bitcoin was in my wallet I placed a new order to get current QR code and transferred funds to proroid. I received confirmation with status pending then nothing. Now I am at the product shipped stage with an invalid tracking number. Once I get the actual product I will update this post.

I have NOT received my order!
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Hopefully you come back and actually update it when you receive your order. You can then apologies as well after.

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  • Junkieslip
  • 2 months ago

Im having the same issue as a couple of other reviewers. My first order was received within 4 days and the tracking number appeared in the Canada post system within two days. The products were top notch, so I decided to make a bigger order and now its been over a week, and the tracking number for the new order still not in the Canada post system and haven’t received anything yet

I have NOT received my order!
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Hopefully you come back and actually update it when you receive your order. You can then apologies as well after.

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  • Mack674
  • 2 months ago

Been using proroid.com for Canadian domestiic items for the last 15+ months.

All products were from Teragon. Injectibles always work as intended, although with Test-C at times I have had some moderate PIP, the BA content may be a little high so it can be quite uncomfortable at times. Not proroid.com's issue. Despite this, the products all work as intended.

Everything is received and shipped same or next day. Very reasonable and professional staff - have never had any issues. Orders always received on time and in full.

UPDATE:

Ironically, just after posting this review and placing a new order in which payment was confirmed to be received in full and shipped complete with tracking number - the tracking number produced no results and package has not arrived after well over a week. Hopefully this is just a Canada post issue - will update whenever this gets resolved.

I have NOT received my order!
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@proroid
Terminating all contact. Source is compromised. Use at your own risk. Please send refund for previous lost order if possible.

I have NOT received my order!
  • Mack674's picture
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@proroid
Tracking number does not work (I can post a time stamped screenshot if you like) so you are also liars trying to protect your reputation from new forum browsers - its been 2 weeks and I havn't received my items or a valid tracking number and you refused to refund me. This is how you deal with your customer PR?

4 of my guys who are also regular customers of yours have also opted for a different supplier, since you are clearly far too immature and unprofessional to be doing what you are doing. 1 of them also made an order from you recently and oddly enough, he is in the same situation as I am. How strange is that? What a coincidence. We all suspect you gave us old valid tracking numbers and are exit scamming before you shut down.

Ironically, I had started this thread actually defending you guys against the plethora of other questionable reviews that have popped up lately. That turned around fast, didn't it ?

Anyone else ; steer clear of this "company" if their deep negative rep score isn't an obvious red flag for you.

I have NOT received my order!
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LMFAO - You are contacting us for a refund, so how are you terminating all contact? How are we compromised? Please stop making stuff up, AND YOUR TRACKING NUMBER IS WORKING NOW! GO LOOK!

SOME PEOPLE!!! OMG, my package did not track for 5 days, it is usually here next day. Lets go crazy and post everywhere about it and make up stuff. WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO BEING PATIENT WHEN ORDERING ILLEGAL ITEMS FROM THE INTERNET? Some common sense would be good, NO? Please forgive us we are not a pizza delivery service, maybe that is what you need. 30min or it's free, right? LMFAO

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Hopefully you come back and actually update it when you receive your order. You can then apologies as well after.

Would kind of think that after 15+ months of ordering from us, you would know better that we do not rip people off. It is funny how everyone is use to next day service but if things take an extra day they come and cry like we ripped them off.

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  • GoblinKaboom
  • 2 months ago

Placed my order using E-transfer. YourBTC accepted payment and transferred the BitCoin to their specified wallet number as per the order invoice proroid gave me (I have an email confirming the transfer from YourBTC). My order on their site (Proroid) still says it is pending, no acknowledgement of payment or that the order has been shipped.

UPDATE: Payment has been marked as received

I have NOT received my order!
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This is kind of getting out of hand, some people think that we are some of these websites that you use to purchase your bitcoin. WE ARE NOT! If they receive your payment and have your bitcoin send the next day, we only get them the next day. Once we receive your bitcoin, your order is shipped. As it was in this case. You have already received your order as well, BUT... then who care to update this after right?