Tried Tren E 200, Tri Tren 150 and Proviron....all not very good. Underdosed or possibly bunk, cant be sure as i was running legit Test alongside it from another supplier.
Used Pro chem several times now but my last experience was bad, bought test 400 and i had no usual side affects of test it was more like i was running deca as i lost libido, no pip but unless it was just a mislabeled bottle i would say they are going down hill, sorry pro chem
i will no longer advocate for pc
there will be no big comeback for pc with what they are producing lately,
which is a shame to see one of the longest running ugl's in the uk,
with such an awesome reputation going down this road.
Pro Chem are a reputable ugl there's no doubt about that. I have used various labs and on comparison their short esters give me insane PIP, the kind of PIP that moves into your lower back from jabbing glutes on more than one occasion; I have even had trouble bending down to sit in my car to drive to the gym! And that's only on 2ml of prop 100. That said, the products do work. Libido is up on Test and I get crazy night sweats and insomnia on the Tren Ace. I choose now not to use their stuff due to the PIP it effects my workouts when rotating sites for EOD jabs.
Used pro chem during my last cycle for 4 weeks. First 4 weeks I used another labs rip blend and saw good, consistent gains. Switched to pro chems 'one rip' and gains pretty much halted. However, I didn't lose any strength so I don't doubt there was legit gear in there, possibly underdosed though. Also used their prop, same with the one rip potentially underdosed but not complete bunk. Pip was a bit of a nightmare, also. Was my first time using this lab and probably wont be using again. Although some people do swear by this lab.
did you just join here to dis pc,?
what were you expecting on an 8 week rip cycle?
how many cycles have you ran?
what dose were you using?
what gains,fat loss ,training, diet ect ?
your being a bit vague my friend,
seems a very strange comment for a first post
and no stats of yourself.
if you were looking for gains you should have been on a longer bulking cycle,your not going to turn into kingcong on an 8 week( cutting) cycle
Nope, I joined you to leave feedback on a source (When I receive my order) so thought I'd leave a couple of reviews on products/sources I've used.
I have run 4 previous cycle, basic 500mg test enth as first, 750mg test as second, 750mg with 40mg dbol third, most recent was an 8 week recomp/cut cycle. I'm 5'8 sitting at 195lbs at around 10% bodyfat, looking to get to 8% during my current cycle. Like I said only joined to leave feedback on a new source I'm trying out, thought it would be helpful leaving feedback on some other products I have used
EDIT: If I wanted to slate pc I would have rated them at a low rate. I haven't bothered doing that as I'm in no position to distort their ratings based on my experience. I'd appreciate a less hostile reply to my posts in the future, I'm only here to leave my personal feedback and view others
You dont add up , you say your latest cycle was an 8 week cut, then you go on to say your looking to get to 8% body fat on your current cycle.
So what is it are you on or off cycle?,
And i wasnt being hostile just trying to get the facts,
You cannot possibly review a product after 4 weeks and after using a different product for 4 weeks.
Its your first time using a rip blend so what do you have to compare it with.
Sounds about right to me you never lost your strengh gains.you got a bit of weight and lost some fat.
I guess your not here for advice , with the experience you have:-).
That is correct, my last cut cycle finished last October where I went from 16% body fat to 10% body fat. I am now running another lean cycle as I find im less prone to gyno with short esters and I'm not looking for major size gains, more a recomp, so a rip blend with some extra test is perfect for me.
When you're using short esters like test prop and tren ace, 4weeks is plenty of time to get your feet wet with the compounds. I compared it to the isis rip blend I had, was a very noticeable difference switching between each compound. If you want to continue maybe you could pm me to discuss it further, im not here to clog up a labs page. As mentioned im here to leave a review for a source (who hasn't contacted me since Friday, , patience most definitely wearing thin).
Firstly im in my forties and been in this game for over 20 years and im on cycle most year round so i dont need a lesson on esters from someone who has done 4 cycles.
Secondly i was only trying to help, but if you dont think you need it thats your perogative.
Ive been using pc for years and never had a problem,they are widely faked because of there reputation as one of the best ugl's in the uk.
Your source has left you hanging this long have you sent him cash?
If you want to fr me you can i am not a hostile person.
I wish there was someone there with good advice for me even in my 4th cycle which would have been two decades ago.
Sorry I didn't mean to be arsey mate or come across as a know it all, think my estrogen is a little high and im a bit snappy, haha. I just don't want anyone thinking I joined here purely to bad mouth pro chem because that isn't the case. I respect your input and do appreciate you trying to help.
Payment was made by bank transfer, so far as I know they are a reputable source, I know they've had a busy weekend hence me being slightly more patient with my order... Although an update email wouldn't go amiss
I Ran PC Anavar 50mgs at 2xTabs per day for 8 weeks and I have to say I wasnt the least bit impress very mild strength gains. In fact I actually gained more strength with loading 20g creatine ED during PCT. My source was reliable and I know PC have a very good rep especially with Oils but either my body wasn't absorbing the Var correctly or my batch was seriously underdosed :(
I have also ran PC Dbol 10mg at 40mg per day for 28days with 20mg tamoxifen ED. I gained 12lbs throughout the course and managed to maintain 8lbs well after PCT. I cant fault the fact that I did make what i consider to be good gains for an oral only cycle although I have to admit some of the pills were a bit hit and miss. I was taking 10mg every 4hours with grapefruit juice and sometimes I would have crazy aggression and strength and other times it was asif Id taken a dud. I honestly have to say that after negative experiences with both PC Dbol & Var I will never touch PC orals again. Oils yes but Orals no chance. From now on my Dbol will be Pharma grade and as for Var im not sure if i will bother with it again.
I used tren ace and aromasin.
aromasin maybe was a Little underdosed, because I got gyno with the common 10mg ED but with 15-20mg ED gyno went away, so very good alternative to pharma stane.
now about the tren ace, hmmm the first batch 2013 was as expected, 0,5ml ED worked as expected.
then I got other 2 batches 2015 of tren ace, and the story was very different.
First, the taste on tongue was not the same, no burning effect, and by jabbing no pip at all.
second, almost after a couple of days, night sweats disappeared with 0,5ml ED, and since I had some 2013 batch left, switched back, and instaintainly night sweats and brainfog came back.
to have some nightsweats with the 2015 batch, I had to jab 0,7ml, so deffo severely underdosed IMO.
I'll buy aromasin again, but for the oils, don't think I'll risk it again.
TARANIS, I'm sorry for that, but even Prochem is a hit or miss
yeah mate
pro chem i guess can be like any other ugl,theres always a chance of sub standard raws being used as there is no regulation.
pro chem are not the only lab i use, but i have used most of there stuff over the years and never had an issue
im not saying that is the same for everyone,but fact is there is a lot of fakes about and reviews being written on the back of these,pro chem would not be as widely faked in the first place if they didn't have a good rep, but i guess things can change ,your never going to get 100%,100%of the time with any ugl.
anyway i dont think we'll be hearing much of pro chem once existing stock has depleted.
but your right bro even pc can be hit or miss
Oddly enough, I received their Anavar a few months back and while it may have been underdosed, it WAS var. I had heard some unpleasant things about their products even back then but at least there was something in there. 100mg ED gave me crippling back bumps which is a dead-giveaway to var for me.
I've heard they were busted recently, so I don't even know if they're making products anymore.
Never had a problem with Pro Chem. Used them for pretty much all of my cycles. Have used both Anavar 10's and currently on NPP.
Had good gains from both oral and oil and would recommend them to anyone.
No PIP from NPP but then I'm only using a tiny amount each jab, seems to be dosed pretty well as I look huge even though I've not been on cycle that long so far.
Test prop I am impressed with. Gear is very smooth and easy to draw/inject. No pip forme or any problems and im happy with the results. The joy of no pip is great for me with using short esters, the thought of injecting back in to a sore/burning arm etc aint great.......and I rotate a lot.
The one rip I weren't that impressed with. Not sure if underdosed is the word but I think you would have to use large amounts of this stuff to get a change. I don't think this is the gear, just if you think you inject 1ml eod of one rip that's only around 0.3ml of each product, which aint a lot. You aint going to see much gains if it was just test for example.
Not sure what peoples thoughts are on that
They do seem to be disappearing tho.....or they are taking a holiday
I'm a little bit late with my review, but like promised, I went back to Prochem's Aromasin. This time it was my worse experience with Prochem. I was on 250-500mg EW test and my mate on 500mg EW test, both with crazy gyno even at 30mg aromasin ED. so IMO it was near to bunk. I recieved the older batch my friend the new. the new batch contains different pills, smaller but you can divide them. they're also darker. My conclusion? the same as their tren, there is some stuff in it, but way to underdosed to deal with, better stay away from Prochem, there are muuuch better UGL out there to a good price. I know, once it was a good brand, until they disappeared, and came back after a while, but it wasn't the same. I have one new test E vial from prochem in my locker, but I don't even think I'll touch it, I better sell it for a good price to some newby.
Pro chem are back with a new batch 2014-2017 after the shut down for one reason or another they are back to there best. i picked up a few items. same viles new labels on both viles and tabs, new tabs
used the test 400 as a tester i upped my cruise dose to 600mg for 3 weeks from 250 of alpha pharma, with out a real effort or change in diet i was up 5kg.
looks like there come back is going to be a good one or lets hope so as they dominated for a good few years before the UGL boom we have seen recently, with a lot of new labs some very good others not so good.
not sure these are available on sites yet but i wouldn't think it would be too long before they are.
is this true? just managed to get my hands on pro chems tri test 400...all new labels! they look really good! too much debating weather its pro chem or a copycat lab
yes mate all true, seems your the only one whos had an issue with new pc bud, i know at least 20 guys bb's and fighters who have and are using the very t400 you mention. post a pic of the vile mate so we can see it its the new ones ot the old ones.
ive used the test 400 and found it to be very good
You have one review only and that is bigging up the new pro chem you also have no other comments except othervthan pro chems page,then i right a review of my exp and you defend pro chem,sorry but looks very odd to me...im not stupid iknow my gear, maybe its my source but i very very highly doubt it
as for the low post count its due to a lost password on old account as i was here from day 1. but either way you are slating a lab that is not 100% bunk so for me thats very odd.
as for labs i would say are ok to use the list is quite long but as my old acount is no longer here its not easy the verify this info.
as for dhaks new oils he himself has said he is changing stuff in the mix due to issues which im sure the pepshop your go to man will tell you.
so heres a list of labs i have used and would use again with so you dont think im a one lab man
ROHM
wild cat
old pc
fuerza not sure what its like now
alpha pharm
MTS
global britanic
dhaks yellos, and cialias he didnt do oils back then
i use new pc due to it being back to its old standard so i also have the right to have an opinion
good luck with the dhaks t400 enjoy your pip or if you dont get it thats good. as stated by him himself the EO is being removed from all oils and the t400 mix is going to change. have a lot of time for the guy at dhaks so not slating just parroting what he has said to his customers.
and i stand corrected on sites that stcok pc. your go to man pepshop stocks the new PC bits which i was not aware off until last night. i understand he is also a good guy and would not stock it if it was bunk.
sorry if you are offended but it wouldn't be the first time a lab was slated which was as good as any other and better than some.
MODS sorry if this post is not in the right place no offence wil be taken if it is removed
Tried Tren E 200, Tri Tren 150 and Proviron....all not very good. Underdosed or possibly bunk, cant be sure as i was running legit Test alongside it from another supplier.
TARANISedit
where can i buy their products, are they expensive?
TARANISedit
Used Pro chem several times now but my last experience was bad, bought test 400 and i had no usual side affects of test it was more like i was running deca as i lost libido, no pip but unless it was just a mislabeled bottle i would say they are going down hill, sorry pro chem
TARANISi will no longer advocate for pc
there will be no big comeback for pc with what they are producing lately,
which is a shame to see one of the longest running ugl's in the uk,
with such an awesome reputation going down this road.
Pro Chem are a reputable ugl there's no doubt about that. I have used various labs and on comparison their short esters give me insane PIP, the kind of PIP that moves into your lower back from jabbing glutes on more than one occasion; I have even had trouble bending down to sit in my car to drive to the gym! And that's only on 2ml of prop 100. That said, the products do work. Libido is up on Test and I get crazy night sweats and insomnia on the Tren Ace. I choose now not to use their stuff due to the PIP it effects my workouts when rotating sites for EOD jabs.
Used pro chem during my last cycle for 4 weeks. First 4 weeks I used another labs rip blend and saw good, consistent gains. Switched to pro chems 'one rip' and gains pretty much halted. However, I didn't lose any strength so I don't doubt there was legit gear in there, possibly underdosed though. Also used their prop, same with the one rip potentially underdosed but not complete bunk. Pip was a bit of a nightmare, also. Was my first time using this lab and probably wont be using again. Although some people do swear by this lab.
TARANISdid you just join here to dis pc,?
what were you expecting on an 8 week rip cycle?
how many cycles have you ran?
what dose were you using?
what gains,fat loss ,training, diet ect ?
your being a bit vague my friend,
seems a very strange comment for a first post
and no stats of yourself.
if you were looking for gains you should have been on a longer bulking cycle,your not going to turn into kingcong on an 8 week( cutting) cycle
Nope, I joined you to leave feedback on a source (When I receive my order) so thought I'd leave a couple of reviews on products/sources I've used.
I have run 4 previous cycle, basic 500mg test enth as first, 750mg test as second, 750mg with 40mg dbol third, most recent was an 8 week recomp/cut cycle. I'm 5'8 sitting at 195lbs at around 10% bodyfat, looking to get to 8% during my current cycle. Like I said only joined to leave feedback on a new source I'm trying out, thought it would be helpful leaving feedback on some other products I have used
EDIT: If I wanted to slate pc I would have rated them at a low rate. I haven't bothered doing that as I'm in no position to distort their ratings based on my experience. I'd appreciate a less hostile reply to my posts in the future, I'm only here to leave my personal feedback and view others
TARANISYou dont add up , you say your latest cycle was an 8 week cut, then you go on to say your looking to get to 8% body fat on your current cycle.
So what is it are you on or off cycle?,
And i wasnt being hostile just trying to get the facts,
You cannot possibly review a product after 4 weeks and after using a different product for 4 weeks.
Its your first time using a rip blend so what do you have to compare it with.
Sounds about right to me you never lost your strengh gains.you got a bit of weight and lost some fat.
I guess your not here for advice , with the experience you have:-).
That is correct, my last cut cycle finished last October where I went from 16% body fat to 10% body fat. I am now running another lean cycle as I find im less prone to gyno with short esters and I'm not looking for major size gains, more a recomp, so a rip blend with some extra test is perfect for me.
When you're using short esters like test prop and tren ace, 4weeks is plenty of time to get your feet wet with the compounds. I compared it to the isis rip blend I had, was a very noticeable difference switching between each compound. If you want to continue maybe you could pm me to discuss it further, im not here to clog up a labs page. As mentioned im here to leave a review for a source (who hasn't contacted me since Friday, , patience most definitely wearing thin).
TARANISFirstly im in my forties and been in this game for over 20 years and im on cycle most year round so i dont need a lesson on esters from someone who has done 4 cycles.
Secondly i was only trying to help, but if you dont think you need it thats your perogative.
Ive been using pc for years and never had a problem,they are widely faked because of there reputation as one of the best ugl's in the uk.
Your source has left you hanging this long have you sent him cash?
If you want to fr me you can i am not a hostile person.
I wish there was someone there with good advice for me even in my 4th cycle which would have been two decades ago.
Sorry I didn't mean to be arsey mate or come across as a know it all, think my estrogen is a little high and im a bit snappy, haha. I just don't want anyone thinking I joined here purely to bad mouth pro chem because that isn't the case. I respect your input and do appreciate you trying to help.
Payment was made by bank transfer, so far as I know they are a reputable source, I know they've had a busy weekend hence me being slightly more patient with my order... Although an update email wouldn't go amiss
Edit: stuff came today, what a coincidence
I Ran PC Anavar 50mgs at 2xTabs per day for 8 weeks and I have to say I wasnt the least bit impress very mild strength gains. In fact I actually gained more strength with loading 20g creatine ED during PCT. My source was reliable and I know PC have a very good rep especially with Oils but either my body wasn't absorbing the Var correctly or my batch was seriously underdosed :(
I have also ran PC Dbol 10mg at 40mg per day for 28days with 20mg tamoxifen ED. I gained 12lbs throughout the course and managed to maintain 8lbs well after PCT. I cant fault the fact that I did make what i consider to be good gains for an oral only cycle although I have to admit some of the pills were a bit hit and miss. I was taking 10mg every 4hours with grapefruit juice and sometimes I would have crazy aggression and strength and other times it was asif Id taken a dud. I honestly have to say that after negative experiences with both PC Dbol & Var I will never touch PC orals again. Oils yes but Orals no chance. From now on my Dbol will be Pharma grade and as for Var im not sure if i will bother with it again.
I used tren ace and aromasin.
aromasin maybe was a Little underdosed, because I got gyno with the common 10mg ED but with 15-20mg ED gyno went away, so very good alternative to pharma stane.
now about the tren ace, hmmm the first batch 2013 was as expected, 0,5ml ED worked as expected.
then I got other 2 batches 2015 of tren ace, and the story was very different.
First, the taste on tongue was not the same, no burning effect, and by jabbing no pip at all.
second, almost after a couple of days, night sweats disappeared with 0,5ml ED, and since I had some 2013 batch left, switched back, and instaintainly night sweats and brainfog came back.
to have some nightsweats with the 2015 batch, I had to jab 0,7ml, so deffo severely underdosed IMO.
I'll buy aromasin again, but for the oils, don't think I'll risk it again.
TARANIS, I'm sorry for that, but even Prochem is a hit or miss
TARANISyeah mate
pro chem i guess can be like any other ugl,theres always a chance of sub standard raws being used as there is no regulation.
pro chem are not the only lab i use, but i have used most of there stuff over the years and never had an issue
im not saying that is the same for everyone,but fact is there is a lot of fakes about and reviews being written on the back of these,pro chem would not be as widely faked in the first place if they didn't have a good rep, but i guess things can change ,your never going to get 100%,100%of the time with any ugl.
anyway i dont think we'll be hearing much of pro chem once existing stock has depleted.
but your right bro even pc can be hit or miss
Oddly enough, I received their Anavar a few months back and while it may have been underdosed, it WAS var. I had heard some unpleasant things about their products even back then but at least there was something in there. 100mg ED gave me crippling back bumps which is a dead-giveaway to var for me.
I've heard they were busted recently, so I don't even know if they're making products anymore.
Can your share who your source was that you got the PC from???
Never had a problem with Pro Chem. Used them for pretty much all of my cycles. Have used both Anavar 10's and currently on NPP.
Had good gains from both oral and oil and would recommend them to anyone.
No PIP from NPP but then I'm only using a tiny amount each jab, seems to be dosed pretty well as I look huge even though I've not been on cycle that long so far.
PC test prop
PC one rip
Test prop I am impressed with. Gear is very smooth and easy to draw/inject. No pip forme or any problems and im happy with the results. The joy of no pip is great for me with using short esters, the thought of injecting back in to a sore/burning arm etc aint great.......and I rotate a lot.
The one rip I weren't that impressed with. Not sure if underdosed is the word but I think you would have to use large amounts of this stuff to get a change. I don't think this is the gear, just if you think you inject 1ml eod of one rip that's only around 0.3ml of each product, which aint a lot. You aint going to see much gains if it was just test for example.
Not sure what peoples thoughts are on that
They do seem to be disappearing tho.....or they are taking a holiday
juicememoreRecieved 3 vials of Test E 300mg/ml. Turned out to be only 200mg/ml. As verified by Angus using a mass spec. The lab has since closed i do believe
I'm a little bit late with my review, but like promised, I went back to Prochem's Aromasin. This time it was my worse experience with Prochem. I was on 250-500mg EW test and my mate on 500mg EW test, both with crazy gyno even at 30mg aromasin ED. so IMO it was near to bunk. I recieved the older batch my friend the new. the new batch contains different pills, smaller but you can divide them. they're also darker. My conclusion? the same as their tren, there is some stuff in it, but way to underdosed to deal with, better stay away from Prochem, there are muuuch better UGL out there to a good price. I know, once it was a good brand, until they disappeared, and came back after a while, but it wasn't the same. I have one new test E vial from prochem in my locker, but I don't even think I'll touch it, I better sell it for a good price to some newby.
Pro chem are back with a new batch 2014-2017 after the shut down for one reason or another they are back to there best. i picked up a few items. same viles new labels on both viles and tabs, new tabs
used the test 400 as a tester i upped my cruise dose to 600mg for 3 weeks from 250 of alpha pharma, with out a real effort or change in diet i was up 5kg.
looks like there come back is going to be a good one or lets hope so as they dominated for a good few years before the UGL boom we have seen recently, with a lot of new labs some very good others not so good.
not sure these are available on sites yet but i wouldn't think it would be too long before they are.
is this true? just managed to get my hands on pro chems tri test 400...all new labels! they look really good! too much debating weather its pro chem or a copycat lab
yes mate all true, seems your the only one whos had an issue with new pc bud, i know at least 20 guys bb's and fighters who have and are using the very t400 you mention. post a pic of the vile mate so we can see it its the new ones ot the old ones.
ive used the test 400 and found it to be very good
You have one review only and that is bigging up the new pro chem you also have no other comments except othervthan pro chems page,then i right a review of my exp and you defend pro chem,sorry but looks very odd to me...im not stupid iknow my gear, maybe its my source but i very very highly doubt it
you have every right.
as for the low post count its due to a lost password on old account as i was here from day 1. but either way you are slating a lab that is not 100% bunk so for me thats very odd.
as for labs i would say are ok to use the list is quite long but as my old acount is no longer here its not easy the verify this info.
as for dhaks new oils he himself has said he is changing stuff in the mix due to issues which im sure the pepshop your go to man will tell you.
so heres a list of labs i have used and would use again with so you dont think im a one lab man
ROHM
wild cat
old pc
fuerza not sure what its like now
alpha pharm
MTS
global britanic
dhaks yellos, and cialias he didnt do oils back then
i use new pc due to it being back to its old standard so i also have the right to have an opinion
good luck with the dhaks t400 enjoy your pip or if you dont get it thats good. as stated by him himself the EO is being removed from all oils and the t400 mix is going to change. have a lot of time for the guy at dhaks so not slating just parroting what he has said to his customers.
and i stand corrected on sites that stcok pc. your go to man pepshop stocks the new PC bits which i was not aware off until last night. i understand he is also a good guy and would not stock it if it was bunk.
sorry if you are offended but it wouldn't be the first time a lab was slated which was as good as any other and better than some.
MODS sorry if this post is not in the right place no offence wil be taken if it is removed
Hello,
I have used Testosterone Propionate / Trenbolone Acetate / Winstrol Tabs (whit Prochem Labs).
The quality of the testosterone propionate is very good, but Trenbolone Acetate and Winstrol is very bad, no effect...
Habitually Trenbolone acetate is active for "Prolactine", and i use Arimidex habitually whit 1/2 tabs / Days.
But whit this cycle Prochem, i have no using Proviron / Arimidex, and i have no problem whit prolactine or Tits... It's very strange.
I stop whit this laboratorie, i don't recommended this Gear, But 2 years ago ProChem is good... The quality actual is Poor... Really underdosed...
See you later (sorry for my english)