Shbg and test results. Ultima Test E400 0.6ml twice per week (480mg/week). Last injection 2 days prior to test. Bad PIP with this stuff, worst I’ve ever experienced.
After some literature searching, there may be explanation for the findings. It looks like the anavar kicker may have caused the drop in SHBG. With less SHBG i’m unable to hold as much total T and the free T is excreted.
I’ll have to get labs redrawn a few more weeks off the anavar to see if the SHBG and total T come up.
“ Patients had erectile dysfunction in association with low testosterone and SHBG, in spite of exogenous testosterone replacement. Discontinuation of oxandrolone led to the normalization or improvement of testosterone levels in all three patients with symptomatic improvement in one patient. First pass metabolism of orally administered oxandrolone may decrease hepatic synthesis of SHBG, allowing exogenously supplied testosterone to be excreted.”
36yo 6’1” 205#. Cycled many times in my 20s using test and tren. Haven’t cycled since 29 or so and this is my first one back. Test E 480/week with Anavar weeks 1-4. This is my first time getting lab testing done on cycle.
This is 6 weeks in to cycle, ~48 hours after last pin. 22ga 1.5” in glutes over about a minute. Heating oil didn’t seem to reduce PIP. Pain sticks around for about 5 days. This is the first time I’ve used ultima injectables. The value was good per mg so thought I’d give the high concentration a go.
I used Ultima Anavar 50mg tabs week 1-4. Quartered the tablets the best I could and took 37.5mg/day am/pm split. That was my first experience with Anavar and it seemed to perform as advertised. Acne, oily skin, cramps and strength gains just 3-4 days in.
I am not claiming that Ultima is improperly dosed or poor quality in some other way. I still feel like I’m on cycle even after stopping anavar. As some pointed out, I may be a poor responder or fast metabolizer. I’ve never had lab testing done before while on cycle so I don’t have a comparison. Next cycle will be a different brand.
Those are my numbers on 100mg cyp 2x/week.
Never had a problem with legit Ultima. Have you checked with ultima if it is legit product?
Just saw you Ordered from osgear. I have used them many times never had an issue. Either Bad batch from ultima or you are just a hypo-responder.
I completely disagree with this - I have recently used Test E400 from OS by Ultima and it was brilliant. There is no PIP at all with it and the testosterone feeling you get from it is strong. A brand new account too .....
From the post above it doesn’t like you like are rotating injection sites frequently as you are pinning glutes only ?
This has help alleviate any PIP I have had previously by injecting properly into the muscle without moving to much and rotating sites frequently
Let me know if you have any questions about the injector ! They come with difference sizes for 1ml syringes , 3ML syringes and 5ML syringes… you can even rotate to inject Sub Q by adjusting the needle length
Never thought of an auto-injector, but I typically don’t have issues like this with pins. I ordered sterile MCT so will dilute it down to typical 250/ml and see how it goes.
I usually rotate glutes and quads but after getting pip in the glutes I’ve been hesitant to pin anywhere else.
When I ran the TE400 I had slight pip from it depending on muscle but it was very minimal, easily manageable. And you’re right, you feel amazing on this after a few weeks. Also, my tests came back capped >1500Total and >50Free at 350-400mg/wk.
Both issues that u bring up are common....high concentration mg test will or can give pip and your blood score can be common also and that explanation is given below. So man that's a double bad situation for you. You can prevent the pip by either not using or diluting that dose down.
Here they discuss similar and attribute it to body weight, genetic variation of the phosphodiesterase PDE7B gene (determines bioavailability of Testosterone), and a couple other possibilities.
There is no “one size fits all” to testosterone doses. Many studies have shown the vast differences in ways people respond to the same dosages.
If we knew your history and normal levels on other dosages it would tell a lot more!
This lab is normally bang on though in my experience with them.
I didn’t realize the anavar kicker was still relevant to this as it ended 2 weeks prior. Looks like it probably dropped the SHBG and storage of total T.
After some literature searching, there may be explanation for the findings. It looks like the anavar kicker may have caused the drop in SHBG. With less SHBG i’m unable to hold as much total T and the free T is excreted.
I’ll have to get labs redrawn a few more weeks off the anavar to see if the SHBG and total T come up.
“ Patients had erectile dysfunction in association with low testosterone and SHBG, in spite of exogenous testosterone replacement. Discontinuation of oxandrolone led to the normalization or improvement of testosterone levels in all three patients with symptomatic improvement in one patient. First pass metabolism of orally administered oxandrolone may decrease hepatic synthesis of SHBG, allowing exogenously supplied testosterone to be excreted.”
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1743609515317926
Var lowers sbgh and makes free test available. Or its NOT available for the body to use. Theres a balance when natty. On cycle theres grow time
36yo 6’1” 205#. Cycled many times in my 20s using test and tren. Haven’t cycled since 29 or so and this is my first one back. Test E 480/week with Anavar weeks 1-4. This is my first time getting lab testing done on cycle.
This is 6 weeks in to cycle, ~48 hours after last pin. 22ga 1.5” in glutes over about a minute. Heating oil didn’t seem to reduce PIP. Pain sticks around for about 5 days. This is the first time I’ve used ultima injectables. The value was good per mg so thought I’d give the high concentration a go.
I used Ultima Anavar 50mg tabs week 1-4. Quartered the tablets the best I could and took 37.5mg/day am/pm split. That was my first experience with Anavar and it seemed to perform as advertised. Acne, oily skin, cramps and strength gains just 3-4 days in.
I am not claiming that Ultima is improperly dosed or poor quality in some other way. I still feel like I’m on cycle even after stopping anavar. As some pointed out, I may be a poor responder or fast metabolizer. I’ve never had lab testing done before while on cycle so I don’t have a comparison. Next cycle will be a different brand.
Damn that’s not good, I’m going in on Belgias looking to use that for trt. Ultima gives me slight Pip but never had a problem otherwise.
How many weeks you been on this ? I don't see it.
6 weeks. 2 weeks after ending anavar kicker which probably dropped the SHBG.
Those are my numbers on 100mg cyp 2x/week.
Never had a problem with legit Ultima. Have you checked with ultima if it is legit product?
Just saw you Ordered from osgear. I have used them many times never had an issue. Either Bad batch from ultima or you are just a hypo-responder.
Very low number of total test.
I completely disagree with this - I have recently used Test E400 from OS by Ultima and it was brilliant. There is no PIP at all with it and the testosterone feeling you get from it is strong. A brand new account too .....
Exactly i used them and got high libidio and strength testo feeling.
Glad it’s working well for you. Are you pinning it by itself or mixing with something else?
I’ll have to get some oil to dilute it with because I can’t sit down straight for a few days after.
If you have suggestions for what a new user should do first, let me know!
Try keeping a steady hand or use a auto injector …
https://unionmedico.com/90-super-grip/
From the post above it doesn’t like you like are rotating injection sites frequently as you are pinning glutes only ?
This has help alleviate any PIP I have had previously by injecting properly into the muscle without moving to much and rotating sites frequently
Let me know if you have any questions about the injector ! They come with difference sizes for 1ml syringes , 3ML syringes and 5ML syringes… you can even rotate to inject Sub Q by adjusting the needle length
Never thought of an auto-injector, but I typically don’t have issues like this with pins. I ordered sterile MCT so will dilute it down to typical 250/ml and see how it goes.
I usually rotate glutes and quads but after getting pip in the glutes I’ve been hesitant to pin anywhere else.
Where did you get your sterile MCT from curious
Pure anabolics
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When I ran the TE400 I had slight pip from it depending on muscle but it was very minimal, easily manageable. And you’re right, you feel amazing on this after a few weeks. Also, my tests came back capped >1500Total and >50Free at 350-400mg/wk.
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If I'm not mistaken that is a pretty low total test number... correct me if I'm wrong.
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Both issues that u bring up are common....high concentration mg test will or can give pip and your blood score can be common also and that explanation is given below. So man that's a double bad situation for you. You can prevent the pip by either not using or diluting that dose down.
Is on the low side, but I’ve seen other bad responders plenty of times
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CePd-GnJod4/?igsh=MXU3M2NmcXV1YjExZA==
Here they discuss similar and attribute it to body weight, genetic variation of the phosphodiesterase PDE7B gene (determines bioavailability of Testosterone), and a couple other possibilities.
There is no “one size fits all” to testosterone doses. Many studies have shown the vast differences in ways people respond to the same dosages.
If we knew your history and normal levels on other dosages it would tell a lot more!
This lab is normally bang on though in my experience with them.
I didn’t realize the anavar kicker was still relevant to this as it ended 2 weeks prior. Looks like it probably dropped the SHBG and storage of total T.
PIP is still pretty bad ha.
What is your total T on this dose typically? That’s on the low side for almost 500mg a week.