posted Thu, 03/26/2015 - 08:29
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+ 6 recent bloods using hyge black tops from toptopservice.org
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ran 4 iu's an hr prior to fasted blood work. I am sure if I waited the standard 3 hours my IGF levels would of been higher. came in at 380 IGF. I am 31 years old.
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just got my blood work back from last week.. does not have the IGF levels but says my HGH is 9.7 ng/ml normal range is 0.0 = 1.4 is this good? I pinned 8iu of the green tops and got blood done around 4 hrs after.
A EllisThere is no sex in the champagne room and there is no generic HGH that is worth a shit.
so only pharma hgh is real and nothing else is is what you are saying..
A EllisHere is the truth. Generic HGH is junk period. You want good gh you need a script, someone with a script or the best a bunch of people with scripts. You could get lucky on the line but highly doubt it. Now the Generic gh may have a positive affect but its still not real. Oh and it will make your dick fall off if you run enough.
so I could get some benefits of syn HGH but not the same therapeutic properties are real hgh.. how much of pharm HGH would i need to take to build muscle and shed fat since its pure? I just got a script and got a norditropin 15mg pen perscribed for .08mg or 2.4 iu's.
may I ask what you had to tell your doc to get that script? maybe I outta start looking into syndromes that need HGH...
A EllisLucky.
all i have to say is the china man is laughing his ass off at you guys buying this SHIT educate your selves FUCK!!!! Recombinant DNA TECHNOLOGY IS NO JOKE. just get on google scholar and READ you will even come to realization that medical profesionals are STILL trying to determine the BIO availability of many peptides they produce not JUST hgh..... please just read medical journals and NOT forums FUCK
so basically you are saying any form of HGH is not real.
A Hyge source posted a test result that shows it's not recombinant human growth (191aa 22,125Da)
so no generic hgh works at all? just because its not rHGH
It numbs hands....raises GH Serums/IGF-1's. Does it have the same therapeutic properties as rhGH (22,125Da)? Well, since it's not prescribed for (a)GHD....then I'd think the FDA would say no.
so I could get some benefits of syn HGH but not the same therapeutic properties are real hgh.. how much of pharm HGH would i need to take to build muscle and shed fat since its pure? I just got a script and got a norditropin 15mg pen prescribed for .08mg or 2.4 iu's. will legit generic hgh still help me build muscle and shed fat?
It numbs hands....raises GH Serums/IGF-1's. Does it have the same therapeutic properties as rhGH (22,125Da)? Well, since it's not prescribed for (a)GHD....then I'd think the FDA would say no. Injecting a counterfeit protein (22,244Da) vs injecting rhGH identical to your body (22,125dA) I guess maybe you could get some benefits, maybe, but continuing to inject an off protein not identical to human grow hormone can produce some sides effect....short/long term effect.....who knows
A EllisDick could fall off
Mine shrunk real tiny like a chinaman from using too many blue tops back in the day
A EllisGood thing it wasnt the green tops or red tops. Dick would have fell right off.
I sold those to GG's (woot woot) VIP Factory
Lmfao
^^^^^^smart man^^^^
Indeed
Beast00what the best hgh no pharma hygetropin?
eurotropin ect which is the best?
rocketballzI've got a question and forgive me if its been answered already, but why is your gh serum level of 1.9 flagged as "High". Isn't the normal range 0-10? Am I missing something?
not sure, maybe on this lab test that is considered high?
Bro I could fucking care less what people think of my attitude. Anyone who's anyone on this forum know when I speak its truth. But to sit here and watch this fuckery play out on and on over and over is sickining. I've watched countless people lose hard earned money over this generic bullshit way before the half of these people were even here.I am totally calm I just find it fascinating that some of these people truly believe the shit that falls out of their mouths. I've watched for a long time and instead of turning my head and not getting involved and just laughing at these fucking morons who buy this shit up and believe it like its straight out of the fucking bible I actually care about members and everyone who's anybody knows that. I could give a fuck if people like me , I could give two fucks about karma. I insult people who insult others intelligence who truly think the the fucking chinks are saints and send out legit product and don't fake everything on the daily. It baffles me that these aren't children saying and parroting all this bullshit its grown men. I've been here and watched whole sources rape everyone with generics and continue to batch after batch and these fucking clowns continue to buy it over and over pulling their precious serum numbers and igf crying how pharma is like some fucking unicorn. Like I said I could give two fucks about killjoy and his followers or gfit the generic guru or anyone else who swears by this trash and defends it I care about Joe blow who gets on here and reads into this fuckery and buys himself a fuck load of generics that are trash. Everyone gets soo caught up the sides my thumb tingled it must be good or my serum is high it must be good blah blah blah but than the same guys look Sub par in a progress pic or in the gym but they run truckloads of everything and act like some fucking scientist. I mean come on if you have half a brain in there you know China is a joke and the largest fraudulent manufacturer of faked merchandise in the world. Not just growth but everything from raws to jackets and purses. Like I said I truly don't care what you think of me as I was here before watching 100s getting ripped off too afraid to stand up and say shit as the generic gurus would shit all over them and I'll be here after your gone defending the little guy. I have one purpose on this site to help others and expose the morons and fakes I could care less which sources are hot and have all the goodies I can care less how your morning is on your SIs I could care less less about feelings and all that. Anyone who knows me knows I do not talk out of my ass , and I have a physique that proves I know what the fuck I'm doing as does my wife and we didn't pour our life savings down the drain for aas or growth to do it.people here are truly naive and think they know what's in the know but are extremely mistaken as of lately along with being misinformed. This isn't a fucking hobby to me like it is others.
Why am I getting dragged into your ranting and pathetic chest beating?
We all get it you've been here longer then anyone, mass spec'ed all the growth out there, train with top level bbers, have a degree in biochemistry, did a stint at novo nordisk, hold your IFBB pro card ...
But all along fail to state any scientifc evidence to back your claims ... all you do it just spew conjecture and personal anecdotes ... You've never even ran an IU of a generic product.
The only thing you got right in the mountain of bullshit you posted is that a proper Slin protocol is where GH really shines... And Ive had amazing results with using rips with slin in the past.
Oh so because I don't run garbage i can't comment on it being faked all the time and people getting ripped off? That's a funny view of things.
Bro you can take stabs at me all you want people know the majority of this shit is grabage. Your constantly on every post that has to do with generics roping people into your shit. When in truth the people here with half a brain stopped commenting on all this months ago and now they laugh and pity you.
Last time I checked your nothing fucking special not a biochemist , not some scientist , not a pro , nothing your just another guy on a witch hunt claiming generics are the way to go.
Call it ranting call it whatever you like but people with half a fucking brain will not run this shit and know that China is the ring leader of fake shit. I comment because the smaller nobody's won't as you and every other generic guru have some answer and reason to this shit testing sub par and why the bloods read one way when the mirror screams another.
There's your paragraphs buddy good luck with your witch hunt . maybe you should put more effort into your training and diet instead of putting soo much into what growth, slin and whatever else you can run. Have a good one and until the next time on the next set of generic bloods.
..ever wonder why there seems to be an unlimited supply of pharma on the "grey market".
Good eye B. Unfortunately even a PHARMA Type product can be counterfeited......HGH, Bayer Primo, etc
Its out there bro.......
The majority of the people here running growth shouldn't be they think its some fucking miricle drug that they've missed the bus on. When in fact the way they use it , its just another expensive fat burner. People around here can't even get their fat selves into shape with diet so they depend on gear and when that doesn't work they go to growth thinking its the missing link. Thinking it will make them huge lmfao. There's ways to do things and ways not to. Those guys these people want to look like don't take into the consideration the diet and in most cases the slin protocols but that's neither here nor there. The majority here waste their fucking money on all the gear they run let alone the growth.
Never bought generics. Never will. You can have them all to yourself. Compare legit pharma key word being legit to generics lmfao you can bro and anyone here who argues it is absolutely absurd. I could give a fuck less if you guys rectally shove those damn vials in your ass jinto I could care less I care about the new gullible member who doesn't know better who believes in the "fiyah" "gtg" and all that other mumbo jumbo bullshit and because of that they buy into this generic bullshit where the majority of it is absolute junk but because little joey said his fingers went numb it must be good smfh. I really could care less I'm here on this fucking site to help others and that's my concern period. This running around sticking up for sub par products bullshit has happened way before you were here jinto and it will continue way after your gone , so unless you've watched it from the beginning and have see 100s of guys get ripped off for thousands and thousands please sit the fuck down. How about you worry about your fellow members instead of coming in here and picking at shit.
I would pay for pharm out of pocket but I would need a script to get it from a pharmacy the US is very strict
It's very easy to get a script from an HRT Clinic. But yes, VERY expensive.
There's sources here that sell legit approved HGH for a good price.
You can also find legit Chinese approved HGH for a very very good price also
Just gotta research
A EllisI can get all I want without a script and I am in US.
sent a FR would like to chat more pleasee
@ killroy I've been doing 2iu's for over 2 months now all i wanted is anti aging maybe little fat loss. the day of the test 3/3/15 I took 4 iu's after fasting over night for 8hrs then did blood work 1 hr after injection to test this kit if the hgh was legit. 380 is good for 31 years old. I guess my gh serum could of been higher if i waited the 3-4hr mark. I didn't know at the time but after doing some research after the new kits im going to order ill wait 4hrs with 6iu injection before blood work. Ill post that lab too end of April. the product seems good to go, most people don't see too many sides or think you get results in 1-2 months is not accurate and doesn't mean the hgh is bunk. this black top kit vial was from batch #2014-04-09 expiration: 03-2016.
I totally agree... a lot of inexperienced users on here will run growth and think its some sort of magic stick that erases age, fat, and builds muscle overnight .... which is far from the case.
Then there are others who see subpar benefit from generics, switch to pharma and then have to justify their expenditures by over zealous preaching of pharma to whoever listens....
I've ran both. ANY honest person who has really ran serostim or novos will agree that they cause swollen fingers, carpal, nerve pain, and water retention just like the fucking generics. This bullshit about how pharma doesn't have sides is beyond me.... I think its the fact that they run such a low dose of pharma vs generics that they get zero sides... Try running 5-8iu of Pharma right off the bat as some do with generics and you'll still see the same sides... It's funny how people will claim the generics has some sort of anti-diuretic peptide in it... that claim has been repeated over and over again.. with zero evidence.
go for broke dude.. 10iu 3.5hr before blood draw.
And I'm glad to see you are getting benefit... Your IGF levels look awesome for 2iu of the black top hyges too.
I've run both and believe me, if you do enough pharma you will get sides!
Mr 6ius!
My new nickname
swoller87Bro I mean bro X2 I feel you 100% I couldn't have said it better myself.
the test was ran with 4 iu's 1hr before drawing blood, but have been running 2iu's 5 on 2 off with decent results. can't wait for the new batch and for the next blood work on April 20 ill run 10iu's 3 hrs before the test to really see the results. I ordered some more black tops, along with green tops and one set of the new red tops.
10iu protocol is for GH serum but heilrazor has shown us that even a single dose of Gh can boost IGF. The broad consensus is that Igf builds over time with a cumulative sort of effect and some argue confirms the bioavailability of the growth administered ... The best approach would be to establish igf baseline before starting therapy, then test GH serum, and after a month of administering your preferred dose test igf1. Heilrazor has suggested to perform another blood test for igfbp3 which big pharma uses to verify bioequivance ... Although that is uncharted waters and I'm not versed on how to interpret the results.
With all that said, your igf1 levels with just 2iu of the black tops adminstered 5/2 2 months is quite impressive. Even if you had a naturally high baseline, 380ng/ml is outstanding at that dose
the blood work i had done on jan 15 of this year showed my IGF level was 230 with a z-score of 1.0 with 0.0 hgh level.
Let us know your thoughts please...What are people trying to accomplish by running 5-8iu of generic from the start? Why do people run a lower dose of pharma compared to generics? Why would you think this (I'll quote you)..."Then there are others who see subpar benefit from generics, switch to pharma and then have to justify their expenditures by over zealous preaching of pharma to whoever listens"....but you post in your profile (another quote from you) "If I could afford it, I would run nothing but pharma GH 5iu ED and Test , and drop everything else." Why do you defend generics and act like there's no difference compared to pharma if you honestly prefer real pharma gh yourself. Every thread or lab test posted that has an issue against generic/FAKE gh you come running to shit on the guy complaining...what gives bro?
These are my thoughts ... Pure conjecture... Since the generics are so cheap, and typically purchased in much higher quantities then pharma .. The user will be tempted to either start with a higher dose or ramp up quickly without suffering serious monetary consequence and/or may think the generics will underperform so they'll double up versus the novice spending serious coin on Pharma who will approach the dosages conservatively and may slowly ramp up .
If I could afford and had access to pharma that was priced right I would without a doubt pick it over any generic ... Hell the same principle would apply to any compound.
I never said the generics were equal to pharma ... But I do believe legitimate product exists and is being made by the Chinese in generic form ...
I wouldn't use a broad stroke to paint all generics as bunk/junk ... And most people who do have very little evidence to back up their claims ...
That's the rub for me ... You want to bash a product fine ...but show me something ... A lot of times the guys with the Pom poms for pharma growth are near hysterical in their opposition yet never have anything of substance to say.
I'd recommend doing 10iu instead of 6iu.
Pretty sure this just silenced the crowd that said this are bunk.igf looks good for 4iu. +1 for bloods.
There's a difference between bunk and junk.