+ 7 Parapharma Test Prope blood work
Did blood work before and after taking the PARA PHARMA test prope. Dosed it at 150mg EOD. Total test prior to taking para pharma was 1125-ish ng/dl. I had to order a re-print of my before-bloodwork that show me at 1125 prior to taking the para pharma because my dumbass lost the print out. Total test on the last bloodwork was 425 ng/dl. So, for now, it seems anyway like I've dropped from 1125 to 425 since taking para pharma. I just looked at my account again and realize that I ordered and used 5 vials of the para pharma test prope. I posted on the comments section of naps earlier and indicated 4 vials. That was wrong. 5 vials. I had occasionally gone 3-4 days between doses but that was rare (maybe 4 times total). I almost always inject prope EOD and I had been consistently pinning EOD prior to the last bloodwork that I am showing here.
Not sure if this matters but for background purposes. I'm 50 years old, on TRT but wasn't filling my script or using it during the para pharma, have been using gear on and off for 3 years now and am 6', 230 lbs. There wasn't anything else odd going on either. anastrozole every 4th day from a local pharmacy (not black market)
I'm going to use some pharmacy-provided, doctor-prescribed test cyp at 200 mg, twice a week (feels like a very robust script to me). Its obviously less than the 150mg EOD but we will see what happens in 4-6 weeks.
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Farmershome - I'm glad you brought this up. I too ordered para pharma test during the promo (cyp in my particular case), and was one of the rare people who actually rcvd para gear. Napsgear reshipped me vermodje gear - then all of a sudden the original para pharma shipment showed up as well. I was pretty happy.
I started a test cycle with the para pharma cyp at 500 mg / week (frontloaded 1gm), then after a month increased to 700 as I wasn't noticing the typical effects. Oddly, I was getting very bad acne (not at all typical based on several previous test cycles), water retention (which IS typical), but not the usual libido increase, muscle pumps, increase stamina etc. By month two, I felt and had symptoms like I was suppressed, the same way I felt after doing a tbol only cycle without test base, or during the trough of PCT.
In the end, I finished 12 weeks and started PCT with only moderate gains to show for the cycle. I could be crazy, but I seriously wondered if I was actually taking another steroid that was either mislabled, or passed off as testosterone.Or underdosed? Sounds strange, as testosterone is pretty cheap to begin with...
Thoughts?
I just deleted my blood work picture. I will repost it after I literally cut the pieces off that I didn't black out very well.
There are too many things going on here for me to confidentially throw para out and call it bunk. If u read all the feedback, you'll see what I mean. I'm most especially concerned with having elevated estradiol and having NOT lost strength but having a low testosterone reading. For me and from what I can gather here, those don't make sense. I don't have any para left to run and retest either.
I will repost my blood work so others can draw their own conclusions but for now, I'm feeling like I could have noticed those inconsistencies and been smart enough to retest immediately. Lesson learned.
Thanks all for the help and feedback. Really appreciate it. I don't claim to be smart so thanks for steering me right. You guys have alot of experience here. It's pretty cool to be able to just open up and fire back and forth on this topic.
A few asked for batch #'s. I'd be cautious about drawing any conclusions yet but here it is. Bat: PARA002, Exp: 08/2022. This was some of the very first stuff shipped on the half off special and just before they ran out and lots of folks had issues.
Thanks for sharing it!
It seems something isn't right with the lab exam based on info we have so far and what you said:
Considering it I guess it would be unfair to judge the gear. Ideally you'd retest in a different lab.
I'd also be curious to know if both before and after exams were done by the same lab...
I am absolutely in concurrence. I was writing my last post as you were posting this one.
Just want to emphasize that I'm a little embarrassed for not being able to or for whatever reason, having not clued in on those indicators before posting and dragging you all through this. Also, greatly appreciate you all educating me. I know it's frowned on to be using gear absent this kind of knowledge. Shit, I thought I knew alot but always so much room for more knowledge here. Good thing I can't afford hgh. I'd be growing a tumor off my skull acting like, what? Is that a problem?
I'm glad you posted it man! That's what the forum is for: to share experiences and learn ;)
Thanks for posting this info bro, you might want to use a better marker pen next time. If para pharma is underdosed you need to contact naps to let them know the situ
Brother, we can see all your info through the marker...
Sure can. You'd think Id care enough to have checked that. How embarrassing. I'll repost it when I block it out better. Geezez. Thanks.
I'd retake the test, your E2 is high, so it means there's aromatization, you wont have this E2 from 425ng/dl i assume you're taking AI? , if you're taking ai with this E2 result then the test result is wrong.
From a different lab ofc
If you went from 1125ng/dl to 425ng/dl, did you notice a reduction of energy, strength, libido, intensity?
Damn sorry to see that. Thanks for posting +1
Which batch were you using?
Post your batch number and expiration info. Those numbers are bad. Something is wrong+1 for getting underdosed testosterone.. Fucking ridiculous greedy mothrrfuckers
Hey I would run the test again. Use even a different lab to do your bloods, I posted my bad blood work from para so would like to see what yours truly is. Let’s clear this up and find this out so we can determine if para is all around just sending bad product
You used 5 vials of this prop and didn't notice a drop off in strength, libido, oiliness of skin, or anything just wrong in general in dropping from 1100's to 400's? No lack of muscle fullness or anything? Maybe the blood test is bad, not the prop?
After all of this dialogue that is exactly what I started wondering. I should have shared that too. My strength did not go down. In fact, over the course of those 5 vials, my 1rm on bench became 2 reps. It's a major missing piece of this (unintentional, my bad). Didn't lose weight or size (which i lack anyway) either.
This has been one hell of a discussion. I appreciate all the interest and thinking this through.
Yeah, I would retest. I just started my second cycle in my life, I'm on trt dose or 150 test c per week, and I'm kicking my second cycle with prop and I can really feel it taking effect over my try dose, and I were to stop right now and go back to just trt I'm certain I would feel a difference.
Thanks for posting. I'd also like to know what's up with your other test though. 150mg EOD = 75mg ED = 525mg a week.
So you're saying that you were on 525mg a week of another brands prop before this and pulled 1125? So the other brand was shitty too? And what's with the 1200-1800 reference range? None of this makes any sense on the surface, man.
The other brand was geneza. I don't know about the reference range. It's what is printed on all of her lab paperwork. When I was going to a major trt clinic here, they'd never use a range that high.
Heaze2016How did I miss that, I just saw that range to,I've never seen a normal range so high before
plus a 400mg script from his doc? Doesn't that sound weird? I'm not saying he's lying. I just saying none of this adds up to conventional wisdom & practices. Especially the reference range and the fact that 525mg of the other brand prop only had him at 1125... He should've been in the 3000's at MINIMUM. This whole thing is super weird. And that reference range is bugging the shit outta me.
E2 reference is weird as shit too, and he's super high on e2 considering such low test. Again, not impossible, but super odd.
I'm not lying and if I make misstatements I will own them. I want help. I appreciate you all weighing in. I just want to maximize what is possible at this age.
I'm at work and in a meeting. I need to focus on that for a few hours. Sorry. I'll be back. Keep it coming. Questions, thoughts whatever. Thanks all.
I hear ya man. And i'm not saying you are. I don't want to discourage people from posting bad bloods. Hell, I've had to once, and it was from aromasin from the same lab.
Like I said, a lot just sounds weird, but if you're just posting what you got then it is what it is. Just kind of like a mystery with the ranges and everything.
Heaze2016Ya the 400mg a week from the Dr is crazy,why would a Dr want you in the 2k range. I thought, and I could be very wrong. But most Dr's prescribe 200mg of cyp a week and are looking for numbers around the 700-900 mark ?
I dunno. I mean everyone's different but 200 would have most people over 1000. Shit, it puts me around 1500-1600. But I guess that's why everyone's script is different. either way, 400 is nutty.
Those ranges though... i can't get over the ranges.
I don't know what to make of these.
That is so frustrating to me. On have used plenty and never been able to hit those numbers. Drives me crazy. Makes me think that if I could get to those numbers, I might find another 10 lbs and shit ton of strength.
I found this doc through a fellow gym friend. She is a gold mine in so many ways. Previous doc would get pretty excited about 1000 ng/dl and cut my dose.
lol. what was your dose when you'd be at 1000ng/dl?
300 mg cyp per week. All local pharmacy ($13 per 10 ml vial lol after insurance). No black market
Gotcha. So i'm guessing you were disappointed with the other lab's prop then too? The one that put you at 1125 from 525mg a week?
If you guys are telling me that I should be hitting numbers between 1500 and 2000, disappointed in everything I have ever taken. Thanks very just never hit those numbers.
Have you talked to a doctor about this? I am far from a doctor but I would think something was wrong with me. I dunno I guess we're all wired differently.
What were your natural test levels back before you needed TRT?
Have you ever had bloods pulled at labcorp or quest?
The doc says my gear might be fake. She knows i use and that I source it on my own. She agreed to the test cyp script as long as I stop taking the other. She wants to do labs in 4 weeks. I think 6 weeks would be better.
Test before trt (try started with another doc at a try clinic) was 190. I went on a binge tho of no sleep, alcohol, sugar, and no rest purposely so I would test below 200 and insurance would cover the script.
Never used those labs. It would be wise though to get some independent samples just to see if other labs report the same numbers.
You have thoughts on the accordo and generic sale on naps right now? Ever tried those brands?
Heaze2016I would hope he would be disappointed with those numbers. If I got those numbers at that dose, I would freak the fuck out.
How did the para test e work for u? Happy? All these discussions and I'm not even thinking about the para bloods anymore. I'm stuck on wtf is wrong with me and why can't wait hit 2000.
same. I mean either way these are worse than what he said he had with the other lab, but both suck hard.
Pwhore_tilum66thats sad :/ what batch sir?
Heaze2016.