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+ 6 40 Days In Bloods: GK Test Blend 400mg, Roidsource Qtropin w/IGF-BP3, my liver on CD Anapolon, what happens when I dump blood, and misc.

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The first two pics, the ones in red and green, are from my pre cycle bloods that were drawn on 12/27/23. A few days later I began my cycle. About a week later I received the results and did a 500ml blood dump.

My testosterone dosage is 600mg. I’m using Gorilla King Test Blend 400mg. I inject 200mg (.5ml) every Thursday, Saturday, and Monday. Blood was drawn on a Thursday before my injection.

The Crazy Doser Anapolon was used at 50mg preworkout and split that dose on rest days. I did this the first two weeks of my cycle, then a two week break, and then a final two week pulse. Blood was drawn on the last day of the second pulse. I used 1800mg NAC, 1200mg TUDCA, 750mg milk thistle, and 600mg r-alpha lipoic acid, split dose, for organ protection.

Roidsource Qtropin was used for three weeks at 9iu per day, split dose, 3iu morning, 3iu preworkout, 3iu before bed. On the day of testing, I injected 9iu IM 2hrs 40min before blood was drawn. It should also be known that I had used 10mg per day of Nolvadex during the Anadrol pulses. So I was on Nolva, at that dose, for two weeks when these bloods were drawn.

My thanks to @roidsource for suggesting that I test IGF Binding Protein and respect and appreciation to @Makwa for explaining to me why. Although, I do not know what to make of the results for obvious reasons. I’m going to keep pushing though, pulling more bloods in a few weeks, and if I don’t see high IGF-1, I’m jumping on the LR3 train and never getting off.

I’m new to all of this. I’m trying to learn from and contribute to our community. I’m interested in hearing anything anyone has to say about anything.

DeeMan's picture

To just give you an idea of nolva.
Ok, say you take 10mg /day, that 10mg/ day dose will become 5mg in 5-7 days. This will happen with every 10mg dose per day. So there was definitely nolva in your system during time of testing and there is still a bit in your system now 2 weeks later due to it's long half life. Just giving you an idea why I keep emphasizing nolva. Like I said in bottom comments, I have no doubt that nolva helped lower your IGF score. Hope that helps.

23Sparta's picture

That does help DeeMan. Helps me wrap my mind around Nolvas half-life. Not used to that because generally orals are out of your system quickly. I didn’t realize how counter productive nolva was to what I’m trying to do. Bad news imo, at least for me anyway. Thanks bro

DeeMan's picture

No problem and it's only bad news if you're testing for free testosterone and free IGF levels lol. Good luck

roidsource's picture

@23Sparta,
If you want, again, "for the sake of science" I can get you a few vials of Insubolic (Recombinant Human IGF-1), you'll start running it for some time, at 200 mcg/day and on the day of the test you'll inject 5 mg IM, it'd be really interesting.
Speaking of the results.
1) I didn't expect to see the BP3 and serum IGF-1 # to be low, worst case scenario, you're HGH non-responder.
2) Nolva, as Makwa mentioned, could be the culprit of the low #'s.

I greatly appreciate you ordered HGH serum too, I hope this will become a trend for HGH/IGF-1 bloodwork.

RS

23Sparta's picture

lol, yeah, tell me about it. Best case obviously high IGF-1, second high BP3 and a least the case would have been solved, but low IGF-1 and BP3, not gonna lie, had me a little crestfallen. Did you notice though that I scored 3 times the GH serum for twice the dose? Last time 4.5iu gave me 10. You already know I’m all for the sake of science.

DeeMan's picture

Hope it all gets figured out. But yeah go with your plan that we chatted about. Drop both nolva and any dht, just to be on the safe side. I'm positive nolva can be a factor but on fence about dht derivatives, as this has been debated but I'm just being cautious. You may react differently to Dht derivatives as we aren't all the same so I'd eliminate it before blood testing. Anything that could possibly interfere with score you want to eliminate, I'm sure u understand. Wish u luck my man. Keep us updated.

23Sparta's picture

Exactly, we are not all the same. That’s an excellent point and some solid advice DeeMan.

Makwa's picture

The HPLC testing method performed by the lab you used shouldn't have any interference with DHT's. That was more of an issue with older testing methods like ICMA. Kind of moot point now since since this is what is mostly used now, at least in the US. Lot of sources which had bad IGF scores on their HGH were hanging there hat on using DHT's during cycle as the reason why they scored bad. Basically bullshit. I have talked to some HGH gurus about this and they have indicated it could have a little effect but is nothing that anyone would have to worry about,. Nolva on the other hand is definitely a no-no when testing IGF. Just a little bit of that will kill your IGF, which is why I avoid it at all costs. Long half-life so it nukes your IGf for a long time with just a little bit. That is a big part of your issue I think. At least hopefully it is because that is an easy fix.

Given the high GH serum test and brand I feel the GH is legit so I think there are really two likely scenarios going on here (assuming the GH is legit which I believe it to be.). We can rule out the BP3 binding up all your IGF since those levels are not elevated and soaking it all up. So:

  1. the nolva is tanking your IGF, forget about the DHT crap, that is moot point with the testing method you are using so don't worry about using DHT based compounds. Drop any nolva and your IGF should improve. If score doesn't improve without any nolva use, then we move on to scenario 2.

  2. Something is messed up in your liver and preventing conversion of the HGH into IGF. High GH serum score so you know the HGH is getting there but it isn't being converted and it isn't being tied up by high levels of BP3. This is a more serious issue, and why that would be occurring or how to fix it, I really have no clue, but I think there is a way around it.

I guess there is also a third scenario,
3. could be a combo of 1 and 2.

My best advice to circumvent all of this is to supplement with IGF-LR3. Don't have to worry if your liver doesn't convert HGH properly since you are directly injecting bioavailable IGF. Still stay away from nolva though. Supplement with minimal GH (3-6 iu) and hit the LR3 hard to induce hyperplasia. If dropping nolva doesn't improve your IGF score, this is your best option and a viable one at that.

press1's picture

Master Mak setting the record straight here Yes 3

Bill1976's picture

Thanks for clarifying this. I was on a search mission.

23Sparta's picture

You put the hammer down with that one Makwa, respect. Appreciation for the education big dog, I know I’m not the only one that just leveled up. Going to take one more stab at testing IGF-1, implementing what I know now, and then I’ll take your best advice.

Bill1976's picture

Dude IGF is the shit. Down the road after using it you’re just bigger. You will see what I mean

23Sparta's picture

Hell yeah, just bigger is what I’m looking for

DeeMan's picture

We pulling for ya man. Do you know when you plan on getting next bloods?

23Sparta's picture

Well, after I pulled these bloods I switched to another brand of Hgh. Was planning on testing that one in another week or so when I have the time. Although now, I may end up switching to @roidsource Insubolic IGF-1, running that according to his protocol and pulling bloods on that instead

DeeMan's picture

Damn you gonna be one busy man!

23Sparta's picture

lol, yeah, well, you know, I’m just pushing hard to get my hands on a copy of MY blueprint. Trying to get dialed in so I know what works for me and not waste my time, my bread, and my health on anything less.

roidsource's picture

That's a brilliant comment!

Big Tone36's picture

Dropped a gem on us

Pmob's picture

the nolva is tanking your IGF, forget about the DHT crap, that is moot point with the testing method you are using so don't worry about using DHT based compounds. Drop any nolva and your IGF should improve. If score doesn't improve without any nolva use, then we move on to scenario 2.

Perfect!

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Ccacc's picture

Sparta, coming in with the facts again. Thanks for posting this bro, you bring allot to the table..Hopefully the new GH you started will be the one.

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23Sparta's picture

I’m trying bro. The least I can do is pull bloods, post them, and let the community educate me. I made mistakes by running the Nolvadex and I guess now I’m hearing that dhf derivatives can lower IGF as well. So yeah, on to the next one and to see what she scores

Rosschestzip's picture

Damn I really like the qtropin, because my carpel tunnel cleared up, maybe I had no sides cus it was trash??

roidsource's picture

Injecting 9 IU's of trash HGH won't put you at 32. ng/ml =)

HandsomeLifter's picture

Fuck i hope not im using qtropin right now also i pray its not trash

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Rosschestzip's picture

This one test doesn’t really show us anything, so don’t worry too much. We don’t know how low he is naturally, he may have lowered numbers based off the other things he was taking and just other variables like that. Best bet is to get your own bloodwork done if your worried. Or just go with a brand that we’ve repeatedly seen people score high numbers on. Maybe his pack got delivered on 110 degree day in the summer in Arizona and the delivery guy kicked it down 7 flights of stairs and ruined all the gh, who knows man?

23Sparta's picture

There are lots of other variables to consider bro correct. I do have a previous test done on the Q’s posted as well. I scored a better IGF-1 on that one. I can say that all the good benefits are there when I run it, along with the usual sides at higher doses. I’ve never scored a high IGF-1 on any brand that I’ve tested so far

Bill1976's picture

Were you taking a DHT? A DHT I believe lowers your IGf score.

23Sparta's picture

Yes, masteron. That’s a good point. I think I’ve heard that as well

DeeMan's picture

We really don't know but this could be your problem if you're taking dht derivatives on a regular basis along with a serm. Might be the problem, so before your next blood test I would avoid all of the above. That would make it a bit easier to troubleshoot the problem.

23Sparta's picture

Yeah, I’m definitely taking masteron right now. Should I drop it? Because I want to test again asap. The Anadrol I’ve dropped already and along with that went the serm.

DeeMan's picture

Yes drop it asap. And how long ago did you drop the nolvadex before your last blood test?

23Sparta's picture

Consider it dropped. My last bloods were drawn on Feb 8th, that was the last day I took nolva. I had taken it for two weeks prior to that along with 50mg of adrol, which had also been dropped since Feb 8th

DeeMan's picture

Ahhh damn lol that wasn't too long ago. I'm not worried about the drol because that's been cleared mostly but not so much the nolvadex. But regardless test again and see what happens.

23Sparta's picture

Absolutely. I’ll pull bloods until I’m broke or there’s none left. I’m all in on this

press1's picture

Shit!! Does it?? Shok

Bill1976's picture

Blood after blood work on here had a low igf score while taking HGH. We knew the HGH was good and it was only low on the tests where guys were using A DHT compound. There is a lot of info on this site about it.

23Sparta's picture

Damn, I haven’t been around long enough on here to have witnessed any of that, and I didn’t know to look.

DeeMan's picture

So yeah keep hope alive because you could be looking at a few factors. Not sure why a Dht compound would lower IGF levels but it's been known to. Anyways keep us updated.

23Sparta's picture

@Bill1976 just posted an article as to why possibly. Always keep our community posted. We’re all in these trenches together

Bill1976's picture
23Sparta's picture

Woah, thanks bro. Yes, when he’s says you have high gh serum and the sides, but low IGF-1, look towards interference. That’s exactly what I have. So he’s saying not necessarily that my IGF-1 is being suppressed, but the dht is interfering with the testing process and thus the accuracy of the numbers?

Bill1976's picture

I was taking masteron last year with HGH. The HGH worked as it should I think it just messes with the test

23Sparta's picture

That sounds right to me because I can definitely feel the Hgh working and all it’s benefits are present

press1's picture

I normally don't run DHT compounds so probably didn't take notice at the time, but recently I've incorporated masteron which is a little worrying as Dianabol is great for raising IGF-1 levels so running the mast may be counterproductive in that sense - I guess we will see LOL

23Sparta's picture

It’s worrying to me as well. Seems that much of what I’m doing may be counterproductive towards my goal of raising my IGF-1 levels, and inducing hyperplasia is the part of all of this that most interests me. All I can do is learn from my mistakes, make adjustments and keep moving forward. I’m grateful for all the help I receive from this community

press1's picture

Very interesting mate - I can believe it with them normally feeling like quite dry compounds.

Bill1976's picture

I’ll try to find all the posts. There were a lot of posts on it. It’s bro science but the evidence was overwhelming.

23Sparta's picture

lol, idk! That’s why I’m here

press1's picture

ROFL