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  • Doss   •   Sun, Aug 25th, '13 11:06   •   31 replies, 3467 views

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There are several preferences when it comes to pin sizes. Some will prefer 23g all around, some will go with 1" all around. Some even prefer to use insulin pins all around. All of these will get the compound into the muscle, if used properly. Below are my recommendations for the beginner that is still trying to adapt and learn their body.

Gauge Sizes

The gauge size determines the flow rate of the injection compound. The larger the hole, the faster the flow rate. The faster the flow rate, the quicker it enters the muscle and the greater chance of it to sit in one spot. Reducing the speed of the flow, either with the plunger or the pin size, will allow for the compound to spread out more evenly. For the beginner, this is important because you are injecting a foreign material into the body and the body is not used to seeing this. Therefore the likelihood of experiencing PIP is higher for you than a more experienced person. You don't have to time it, but a flow rate of approx. 30 sec per cc would significantly help reduce PIP.

Pin Sizes

The pin size matters depending on the muscle being injected. The glutes are the largest that you will inject, but they are also the deepest. Even in a fairly lean individual, a layer of fat must be penetrated prior to entering the muscle. Ideally, you should try to get towards the center of the muscle being injected. This is where the pin length comes into play. Smaller muscles and those with less fatty tissue can be injected with shorter pins.

Glutes: 25g, 1.5"
Quads: 25g, 1"
Delts: 25g, 1"

Note: I chose 25g for the first timer because it will help to control the flow rate to a point that will help to reduce the PIP for you. Otherwise, 23g could be used for quads and glutes.

Injection Amount

The larger the muscle, the greater the amount of liquids it can hold. Likewise, the smaller the muscle, the lesser amount it is capable of sustaining.

Glutes: 5cc
Quads: 3cc
Deltoids: 1cc

Site Locations & Rotations

When you begin EOD pinning, you're going to want to rotate your injection sites in a manner that allows each pinned muscle time to rest and recover from the stress caused by introducing the foreign matter. This means to avoid pinning the same muscle twice in one week. With good rotation of just glutes, quads, and delts, on a basic cycle with a prop taper and/or kicker, you can accomplish this. This link is a good resource for you to learn site locations:

http://www.spotinjections.com/index3.htm

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  • November's picture
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  • November
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What about insulin pins needles?
Can or cannot be used?

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  • Rhinestonecowboy44
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Thanks for posting this that link was really helpful! I just have one question is it possible to use a 1 inch pin for injecting in the glute? I know you recommend a 1 and a half inch, but what would be downsides or consequences of using a 1 inch pin in the glute if that was all that was available? Thanks

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Why do so many have a problem pinning delts. I can't pin my glutes and I hate pinning my quads put i don't have a single problem with my delts. Im left handed so when I pin my right dealt im gtg no pip but when I try to pin my left delt with my right hand its a little rough and I get some pip because of the bad angle. I guess I don't do quads now because of being traumatized by all them shots in the ass when I was little and when I joined the military (NOHOMO) damn all them tetnis and antibiotic shots my ass still hurts still "no homo".

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Great info, nice link too. I usually pin glutes but wanna try quads. Will probably do the outer quads but is there any place I should avoid?

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  • thebatlab
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For just one cycle, should you rotate sites a lot? Just wondering if I should get a batch of just 1" needles and can handle just delt and/or quad injections for a 12-16 week cycle. Or should I get 1.5" and if I do delts or quads, just don't go as deep?

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  • ready4war83
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So if im stacking then I should just use the glutes and quads since delts can only hold 1cc.. correct??

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It depends on the person, this is a general guideline. Some guys can handle 2 cc in the delt, but I think if you are mixing compounds in one shot then the larger muscle groups are going to be the way to go.

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Great info!

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  • redmenace117
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Thanks this helped a ton, and I mean this is what I will be using for my first cycle! LOL

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So far this is one of the best sites/groups I have found on the internet hands down! I really appreciate you guys helping keep us NOOBS safe.

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Great write up bro. Appreciate the info.

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  • shaun1
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Thanks Doss. You have really helped me out with all your post. Just order my first ever cycle and you have really eased my nerves.very thankful

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Np brother. That's what we're here for. Feel free to post you proposed cycle log so you can get some feedback before you spend your money.

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  • Animal Rage
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I use a larger needle apparently, I use a 3cc 22g 1.5" syringe in my glutes.

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Won't hurt anything. These are simply guidelines for the beginner that is unsure what to use.

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  • Jvon85
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this is great info. I used a 25g, 1.5" pin during my first cycle at all injection sites. However, i did not feel any discomfort when using the pin but did get PIP to the point i could barely walk (sure it was from the gear) but now i have this info and will use it. Thanks Dossier for the info as always its good info you give brother.

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You're welcome brotha. Anytime.

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  • redNblue
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I have done Quads, Glutes and Delts, Quads being the favourite site, Delts are ok, Glutes no so much, pining there on your own requires Level 9000 Yoga .

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I'd add that on a first cycle using just, Test E or C, people might want to spread the shots around a bit. Quads, glutes, delts a few times each. This way you devirginize that muscle in case you want a prop taper on a next cycle. I hear prop is hellish PIP on virgin tissue.

Personally, something about injecting delts just freaks me out. I haven't been able to do it yet.I like pinning my quads. Glutes are difficult to aspirate.

  • potty's picture
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Is it terrible that I am only switching between my two quads?

I feel comfortable pinning there, but don't know if I need to start rotating sites. So far, I've had almost zero pip and it's been easy.

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  • @potty

If your not having any discomfort, there then isn't any reason to rotate sites other than the skin thickening. After a while that needle isn't going to slide in like butter, your skin will get thick and have like a rubber effect when your pinning.

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Not at all. I've only got my quads and my right glute so far. You may never need more. However, if in your next cycle you want a taper with Propianate, then you should get at least 4 sites ready. You'll be doing that eod and need to give each site some rest. I've heard some bad things about virgin PIP on Prop, but i'm like you: very little PIP on Test E.

Next cycle, i probably won't use Prop but after I probably will. Just getting ready.

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Oh you'll need more... I've gotten to where I pin some oils with a 5cc syringe bc I'm tired of being a pin cushion and running out of spots.

For me:

Glutes
Quads
Delts

  • potty's picture
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Perhaps this is naive, but I don't see myself ever doing that much.

I think my personal limit would be a gram a week, total.

  • Doss's picture
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When you start running multi compound stacks, you reach a point where you can only for so much in a syringe and it still doesn't get you to your target dose.

Solution:

A) split it up thru out the week, if you can. Some times your stacks will have you pinning 3cc 3-4 times a week. You might not be at that level yet.

B) split it in barrels and pin two spots each say.

C) get a bigger syringe and save on pinning yourself more.

Glutes will hold the most at once. Quads can hold 2-3cc at once depending on the person. Some big niggas can tolerate more. Delts, I can't go past 1-2cc.

I use my longer esters mixed in the barrel for the glute and quad shots. Then the short esters for quads and delts. This is bc the longer esters usually requiring higher doses and more oils per pin than the shorter ones.

There's numerous ways to put together an run a stack. The more advance you get with them, the more you'll find the oil amounts increasing. Rotating sites and using those sites right will make the difference between scar tissue, recurring pip, and overall comfort ability.

  • Tennessee's picture
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Yeah you're right but i'm 49 and just starting. It'll probably just be me and old Test E for awhile and add an oral. Next cycle i'll hit delts.

  • potty's picture
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Huh, so my lady refuses to help me pin my glutes and I'm not sure I can do it easily.

I guess that leaves the delts. I'll give it a shot (so to speak) on Sun at my next pin. I'm sure it will be a little terrifying, doing it one handed.

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I have that included in the sample cycle layouts I have up in my profile and in the beginner group, actually. But good point

  • Tennessee's picture
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You've got a lot of good stuff out here man. You answer every question a beginner needs to know. But they're(we're) gonna ask anyway. Some people don't read, some can't process, but i think most just need a little direct feedback because it's nerve racking.

I'm just saying thanks man.

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Right on homie, and you're welcome. :)