What are some of your guys best cutting cycles without tren? Im talking long or short esters. Advanced doses. High or low doses. Just looking to see what guys are doing now days for cutters.
Test around 300
Masteron prop 500
Var 40 to 80 daily
Arimidex 1mg MWF
Clen 20 to 40mg daily
20 to 30mg halo last 2 weeks prior to show
Low Test 200 mg/wk E or C are fine
Mast 350 /wk
T3 25 mcg/day
(Optional) Albuterol 4mg 3-4/day
150mg Prop eod
200mg Npp eod
50mg Var ed
50-100mg prov ed
150 eod prop
150 eod mast
Small but...hey, im a midget. Lol
Straight from Hany Rambods camp for a SHW B.B.
2ml rest prop ed (1400mg/week)
1ml masteron eod (350mg/week)
10mg winny tab with each meal (70mg/d)
25mg proviron tab with every other meal (100mg/d)
25mcg t3 ed
Gh as much as can be afforded
***last 3 weeks halotestin 30mg ed
Lots of arimidex, up to 2mg/d
That prop dose would be too high for me. I’d drop it to 1ml and add 75mg of 1-Test Cyp ED in there for a weekly dose of 525mg. Also allow me to run less adex. The rest I like.
I like it.
I wonder what would change or if any changes if the addition of Primo was introduced?
GH...likely in the 15+ iu/day range I am sure.
Interesting no taper up/down for the T3, just a straight amount throughout.
Admittedly PROP and I have never been great friends and why I've been a long ester guy for almost everything.
There is a certain company that has a new 50mg/ml dose with apparently ZERO pip so that might help...everyday though. ugh, perhaps with primo added one could lower the prop.
The T3 came up to 50/day 2-3 weeks out (from 25). This pro coaching me was worried too much would eat my muscle tissue.
Interesting about the primo. I’ve never tried it personally but would love to find some decent priced/dosed accurately primo (not seeking a source lol).
I’m with you prop is a bitch.
SIS Labs Primo tested well if you believe anaboliclabs. Reasonably priced too. Panda has great priced 200ml/ml primo but there is an unresolved issue regarding a members failed roidtest/labmax test that has put me off. We can talk brands here.
What is interesting about Primo is most are able to make strength & muscle gain while keeping calories at maintenance or even below.... that’s one reason it does great as a cutter imo
That and although takes its time getting in...certainly less sides than tren as well.
I will be using this as a main stay for my next show prep and I will be starting it about 12-14weeks out (my prep has normally been 5-6weeks but will be adjusting that to 8 weeks) from show date.
Agreed. If you can make gains while minimizing calories you sure as heck have a great compound.
I have ran primo for prep and was not all that impressed with it. Sure it looks good but there is a reason most have tren included for show prep. If going with primo I would add at least add in some inj mtren that last month or just add in some tren a. Best thing to add would be some DHB if you can get your hands on it. Best look I have ever had has been with DHB.
I’m not sure how close you are to this cycle & the next prep, but definitely keep me updated how it goes & all the benefits you see with the primo. My next cycle will be primo & this might be my last tren run unless it’s a short blast. I agree as far as compared to tren I’m liking the primo even more!
I've had what seems to be "mostly" positive results with tren A and E from very past history.
Recently, only running E and thus far excellent again but I am also keeping it at 400mg max per week unlike many and wanted to see how I reacted since it had been a long time since using it.
I run a decent amount of test and various other compounds but I am actually looking at transitioning off completely what I am using to other options or I will be using the faster esters.
Getting some primo in lieu of tren could be very much worth while but we'll have to see how everything progresses...especially when my lizard brain says "dude, use both primo and tren". LOL
Definitely keep ya in the loop!
100-150mgs prop, 50-75mgs proviron, 30-50mgs var. Dudes got shredded back in the day on just sust and looked crazy, with the addition of provi and var or winny you can really bring out that dense hard dry lean look. I havent ran this one yet, but i like the sound of it, test, npp mast p, npp keeps me full as hell, on low carbs you can stay very dry, then with the additon of mast, and some var, it would really be an interesting cycle. And i love proviron also i always run it. I looked really good a few summers ago on test, bold cyp provi and anadrol at the end to fill out. bold/eq is a good compound minus the insane hunger, that kinda fucks things up a bit lol. But with some var to kill the appetite if you can stay on the diet it produce a nice vascular hard look.
I love Pmob!!
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I like it. The prop eod or ed?
ive always shot it eod. never had a problem and never felt any difference between ed and eod, just more pain shooting it ed lol. If im running it for like 12 weeks ill start at 150mgs eod and the last 4 weeks or so when im really leaning out ill drop it down to 50-75mgs eod to really dry out. Simple cycle and super effective. Feel great the entire time to, no insomnia, no night sweats, no real sides at all. And the strength gains are still pretty damn good when you add the var in.
Nice input. Thanks