I love eggs too, but c'mon!!
So I see a lot of posts suggesting meal plans. These include a breakfast with 5 eggs, 5 egg whites, oats, and whatever else... That's great, a lot of protein. But think about this; I've also read that the body can only absorb 30-50 grams of protein in one sitting. Just looked at the nutrition facts of the eggs I have here, and they're at 6g protein each. With ten eggs, that's already 60grams!!
These newer guys who don't know how to eat and aren't used to shoveling tons of food down the gullet are getting stuffed first thing in the morning, then probably not able to eat again for at least a few more hours. So not only is a large amount of protein being wasting, but the eating every 2-3 hours plan is out the window.
Eroids is the first place I read about the max absorption, but I found some back up.
This is an excerpt from an article from Men's Health;
Your body can process only so much protein in a single sitting. A recent study from the University of Texas found that consuming 90 grams of protein at one meal provides the same benefit as eating 30 grams. It's like a gas tank, says study author Douglas Paddon-Jones, Ph.D.: "There's only so much you can put in to maximize performance; the rest is spillover."
Read more: http://www.menshealth.com/mhlists/guide-to-protein/protein-strategies.ph...
( that's funny, I was going to post the link, but it automatically came up. )
Personally, when I wake up; I down a shake with one scoop of whey and some water.
Then I have a cup of coffee, one and half sugars, and milk.
About an hour later I have my oats mixed with total raisin bran and milk, maybe sometimes some cinnamon apple sauce.
Around an hour and a half maybe 2 hours later, 3 eggs 3 egg whites with a handful of shredded cheese ( or a few slices of American today, bc I ran out of mozzarella).
So what you guys think? Do you agree with me or think the eat big meal plans are best, and if so, what's your argument? I mean agree eat big, but smaller meals and more often; leading to better nutrient absorption. Personally, I'm hungry about a half hour after I eat, if not right after. I'm hungry almost all damn day lol..
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my philosophy: eat big, eat often... when i was bulking up huge in the spring a typical breakfast consisted of a 12 egg whites, 3 yolks, 4 pieces of toast, and a glass of milk. i try to eat 7 meals a day.
zewiIMO--if your hungry eat something.---as for me i love eggs, putting down 10 eggs for a mid morning snack is not uncommon for me. However, if you work hard you need to eat. The key comes down to feeding your body. what you feed it before you workout and what you feed it after... The great thing about protein is if you don't use it you shit it out...
cdaddy7Egg-xactly!!!! LMFAO
ROTFLMFAO!! Now THAT was funny! Agree with ya Zewi!!
cdaddy7My response to this is if you eat big, u get big....my diets are constructed to make you grow quality muscle whether u use gear or not...I have a guy in my gym on one that is 7000 calories and i promise u that he could stand next to a guy on gear and u would have a hard time deciding which was and wasn't....the egg bulker I like to use and eggs period are a high quality source of protein and macro....the stats say 35g is the max protein that can be absorbed in an hour or two but that's not always the case from person to person...workn out alone increases the demand for protein and macros...here's my other theory as well....protein is the use it and lose it macro so if ur body only uses 35g well great bc it shits the rest out to be frank so what is the harm in the extra protein and if u know ur body enough then u can adjust...my diets are custom-made for their needs not for them or i would spend massive hours to adjust one to their exact metabolism in which I would need tests run on them....my diets are not generic either but they close enough for them to dial it in for results....if the need a nutritional consult then by all means they can go online and find plenty of sites to help with a nominal fee...my diets are posted to help these guys understand what a clean diet Is bc I can assure u most do not...with my plan placed in front of them they can begin to make adjustments as necessary to make their diet better and optimal....that's my purpose is to help these guys...I'm not just randomly throwing diets out there for the Hell of it
I have read before that there isn't any more of a difference in protein synthesis between a 40-50g WPI shake and a 25g WPI shake. I do believe it is generally accepted by most medical professionals/researchers that the human body can only digest about 35g protein in one sitting...or so I have been told or how I understand it. Steroids do increase your protein synthesis and your metabolism...so that will elevate the amounts your body can handle. So I assume I can eat 30-40g/protein/meal, not to inflict too much damage to my body...as too much protein is pretty hard on your kidneys and liver.
IDK...eating 30-40g per meal 8x/day OFF-cycle works pretty good for me. So at 220lbs, @ 1.5g/lb. is 330g protein/day. Works well for me.
On-cycle I usually take in 50-60g/meal, so that's 400-480g/day. I know steroids increase/elevate protein synthesis, and that's where I leave it.
So anyone NOT using gear...I would say it's safe to consume 1.5g protein per pound of bodyweight in a day. You wouldn't be eating 60-90g in one sitting and being unable to use all that extra protein, as it won't be metabolized.
I can help you bro!!! when you thro out 5 yolks you are throwing out 3g of pro as well... this makes the 1st meal at 45g pro. I try to take in min 42g pro and 60-90g whole grain carn 6x day... If you are on cycle that is what steroids do, increase the bodies ability to metabolize pro into muscle. So you want more than the avg person... 2nd coffee is a diuretic, if you take a shake then coffee you are flushing out 1/2 of the good vitamins in the shake and possibly some of ur pro. There shud be a min of 30min after ur shake before u begin to drink coffee... I wud like to help you w/ ur diet... Ur taking in simple sugar carbs and frankly too many carbs to pro ratio. This causes an insulin spike which makes you make fat... I dont know for sure what ur goals are, but if ya wanna get lean n mean I can help.
Someone should try eating 300 grams of protein for breakfast and then eat carbs for the rest of the day.
i eat 6 eggs for breakfast and another 6 eggs 3 hours later
I've heard of the 30g at a time rule but there truly isn't any empirical scientific evidence to support it. University studies on 5 subjects for 1 week are generally not accepted as fact lol.
Read this: http://www.wannabebig.com/diet-and-nutrition/is-there-a-limit-to-how-muc...
Again, I'm referring to the posts aimed at the ones who are being told they aren't ready for aas, not the ones who are on. Although I didn't think of the advanced protein synthesis while being on, that's not what I'm asking about.
Let me put it another way. Some say the rule of thumb of is 1.5-2g per lb of body weight. The rule of thumb for eating is 6-8 meals per day. 2grams X 180lbs = 360 grams of protein per day. Divide that by 7 meals in one day = approximately 51g protein per meal.
So the question was basically why have these new guys eating 60 grams of protein with the eggs plus oats and yogurt or whatever else is being suggested in one meal if the body can only use 50grams of that? Or as that one study has shown, only 30grams is as useful as 90... VIKING pretty much answered the question though.
zewiOf course protein synthesis goes up, and stays up as long as you keep AAS dosed properly. However, protein turnover also goes up, meaning faster degradation of muscle, which is why we often tend to hit equilibrium....plateaus. The trick is to keep synthesis above degradation to avoid plateaus and keep increasing body mass. After a few years, most of us achieve a new set point of muscle mass, so effectively, protein synthesis does not go above degradation....hence we stay the same size (but much bigger than without AAS).
look for studies on Google--its been reported that protein synthesis on a normal person and normal diet saw an increase of 57% absorption rate by 12%. Those individuals that worked out and-and had I high protein diet saw an increase of 75%- 126% increase while using test along with absorption rate by 53%. In recent studies depending on the amount taking (and which AAS) and your diet, your workout can have an effect on the % of protein synthesis. The greatest is tren showing a 276% -300% increases on protein synthesis.absorption rate at 125%
However, a study on cows using tren@ 2000mg a week saw an increase of protein synthesis by over 600%. absorption rate 420%
Time to up the tren dose.
Its difficult (if not impossible) to get accurate data on protein synthesis while jacked on juice but I do know that synthesis and absorption rate are elevated while jacked... A lil loophole in the MensHealth article
I doubt the subjects in the study were also trying to get as jacked as possible.
I also dont think these studys* were performed on 200+lb guys on gear.
If eating big was/is broscience, your going to have a tough time convincing all huge ass dude that got there eating big.
I think the spread out meal method is the way to go. I do think there is a limit to the amount of protein the body can process. To test this out I am not eating 1950 calories 1 hour after I work out every day. The food is consumed in 2 hours. The rest of the time is water only. I have been only doing this for a week so can not tell anything yet.
BostonWhen you're on gear your body can utilize much more protein...thats one of the main things as juicers that we are trying to take advantage of, protein synthesis.
Do you have any numbers regarding the increase? I'd love to hear the difference gear makes. Am I wasting 4 oz of my 10oz chicken breast? Would be great info and a possible $ saver
That's a damn good point. But I was more thinking about the meal plans being laid out for the guys who are being told they need to gain naturally before touching AAS. Guess I could have specified that, although I just wasn't thinking about the advanced protein synthesis while ON.
I, personally, begin to ramp my intake (depending on goals) a month prior to cycle in order to train my body to accept
Getting them to try out a bodybuilder style eating plan will be extremely tough for any noob it takes time and committmant to eat or to get anywhere near the listed menus,this in turn will show how committed the said noobs mindset is to ultimately reaching his goals... when the body gets used to a high cal diet and then aas is introduced the gains will be phenomenol!.. believe me here i set plans and train people for contests and when all these things are done correctly the people cannot believe that they have wasted so many years training without gains,this includes males/females... dominating kitchen and diet skills is paramount for any serious contender so in turn the same theories will work for the guys that just want to get bigger i.e tee shirt fillers and big gun merchants lol