Tren and diet. Need advice
Whats good everyone? I am struggling with a few things when it comes to dieting and really dialing in fat loss vs muscle loss. My dumbass went on a keto diet about 3 weeks ago. I have found I hate the keto diet because of many reasons, mainly because I am losing muscle while stubborn belly fat is still there. I don't have a lot of stomach fat, my abs pop just fine, but when I sit there is enough to pinch, you know what I am saying? Also, I am running trenA/mastP/testP and some additional trenA. Roughly trenA is around 900mg a week, mastP 500mg weekly and testP350mg weekly. I've added 60mg x 3 of NPP for joint support as well. Aromasin is @12.5 EOD.
I am losing muscle faster then anything and need to put an end to this. Any tips would be great. My diet example:
typical day:
meal 1: eggs/bacon w/2cups of oatmeal.
meal 2: carb free protien shake.
meal 3: nuts
meal 4: steak with spinach leaves
pre workout powder followed by 1 hour workout.
meal 5: post workout shake
meal 6: two steaks.
I work for an oil company, all meals are paid for, basically a cafeteria with whatever you want at any time.
Side notes, while on the keto, I never had night sweats. Off the keto, I have introduced iso-carbs: 30 during workout and 30 after workout. Now I am sweating at night and staring at the ceiling.
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I hope you let is lnow what you decide and how it works for ya
I'm personally not a fan of keto dieting. Most people who do it do it wrong anyway's so I think carb cycling is a much better option for most. Personally I would dump the keto and go to carb cycling or just focus carb intake around workout (pre and post and maybe intra depending on how intense workout is) and no carbs, except cruciferous veggies the rest of the day. Carb cycling should help with insulin sensitivity so you don't hit plateaus and keep the fat furnace burning. It will also help to fill your muscles out. I would probably drop that tren dose down also.
Keto is THE most muscle sparing diet there is, over the longer term. So you must have gotten it wrong.
Your protein shakes will have hidden carbs not lusted as either carbs or sugars. Your oatmeal in the am is also throwing you off (if what you listed is the keto diet?.... i may be misunderstanding)
If you eat whole protein with every meal (those shakes will have somethi g that converts to glucose), remove the oats and in their place add say avacados you will be golden. Eat 1 steak not 2, add nuts with it and a cream sauce that sorta thing.
Rusty got you below bro. Tren and keto is a well known no no! You’ve got to get those carbs up. I’d be targeting about 400g minimum on a workout day and carb cycle that down to 300g on non training days - higher if your job is physically demanding which I gather it probably is. Mostly complex carbs but a decent amount (min 60g) simple carbs (dextrose/vitargo etc) post workout. For me I’d keep my protein about 180g to 200g with those carbs and balance with good fats to hit my desired calories - I’ve found I do not need such high protein levels especially when on a cut and using Tren. If you want you can calorie cycle down a bit more on your low carbs/rest days.
And you will sweat. No getting away from this but as Rusty says you can somewhat manage this by timing your carbs.
I do think your doses are complete overkill and can’t honestly see the point. I’d drop that Tren A to max 100mg per day (75mg seems more reasonable). Could drop the test to 30mg per day and then you probably won’t even need the aro. Good luck.
Thanks Dacky, I'm going to incorporate this right meow. I just ordered 4 jugs of a product called MRE for extra cals through the day. I'll bump the dose down as well.
Is it time leave the keto diet
Jump on the rice, and english muffins and lower the fats
And watch the carbs pump up those muscles and veins
And now I want a fucking muffin!! Haha
900mg of tren= over 3 or 4 grams of testosterone. That is insane for your size. You gotta fix this and be smarter.. slap yourself and listen to advice. Be safer
I always run my tren higher then test, much higher. Look up some reads on here about it.
Ok but just get bloodwork when you can..alot of problems stem from tren. Just be safe I know you know what your doing. Not preaching just trying to help you dial it back a bit. Good luck buddy keep us updated
Edit. Wrong advice for wrong person. My bad)
Ok what is your current weight and bf?
What is your goal?
How tall
225 6 foot. Goal is to be 230, but 7% bf. For my body keto and tren don't mix.
You use gh? If not a little gh can make you use less gear and leaner. Just idea
Shoot I have no reason not to pull the trigger on some. Just need to learn more about it.
2 units a day could let you run lower doses and stay healthier while getting leaner and growing better. Research that because tren at that dose is far from safe. I would say dangerous and unnecessary. Don't run that dose too long and after wards your gonna need a break and let your body rest. Just advice good luck buddy
I have about 2k worth 9f growth sitting in my fridge. Prolly going to start with 1 IU a day. I have done tons of research but still feel I am just scratching the surface. Test has been around for awhile, gH seems like we have a lot to learn. I feel like people that abuse it don't live long, organs get bigger and your body just shuts down.
Off topic but free food sounds great. Lol
Just thinking the same thing. Personally I would bulk hard.
Even a 5% bf contest prep'ed bb will still have a little fat roll when they sit down mate. It's just the way it is.
How do you feel on 900mg of tren ace a week, that's an insane dose??!
I feel great actually for tren. I love tren with mast and or provi. But my body needs carbs, this keto shit ain't working me. Thanks for the advice big dog.
ones I did 1200mg of tren weekly for approx 5 weeks It was unbelievable you feel and see everything in other way that feeling was great but I wont do it anymore I was shuted down so hard for few months its not worth it
I know it's bro science somewhat but when I run provi throughout my cycle it makes my PCT more smooth. I have no science to prove it, but I know my body.
It has its ups and downs, a lot of it is comfort food. A lot of fat ass's in the oil sector.
That’s where I am. The oilfield paid food but it’s not great food a lot of shit is pumped full of sodium. There’s always baked chicken and rice and scrap the bacon they make me eggs how I like them not that premixed shit and oatmeal and grits or cream of wheat
Hell yea, it's not like I really have a choice. I've made friends with the cooks, I get a few special meals made lol. But yea mostly conft2orte food
RustyhookerTren and keto will strip muscle like there's no tomorrow.
Think logically here bro.... your on tren-massive dose too....and you take in carbs. Your body temp rises. That rise burns calories. So why would anyone thwart that endothermic reaction?
Ill be back...
basskiller89Maybe an ectomorph that doesn't want to lose fat too fast?
That's all I got for now lol
RustyhookerImo an ecto shouldnt hit tren. But run the 6000 plus calories and maintain that before gear or they yoyo because their system is a furnace.
Ectos that ive trained would drop pounds in just a few days of low food calories. Work with what ya got.
basskiller89100%, no one wants to eat 10k calories to maintain gains from tren blast
Thanks Rusty, you told me back in the day dont eat carbs before bed to help with this, issue is I have to workout at night currently.
basskiller89I had a stare down with a box of pasta last night. Went on for about an hour. I know the feeling of wanting to carb load at night but knowing it's a bad idea
Wait till you masturbate to little ceasers commercials
RustyhookerMight look at makwas and medex food layouts and add the carbs in early daytime. Avoid night sweats but still get the rise in fuel burning/calorie burning. Thats at least what i noticed.
Just opinion but your doses are huge. 75/75 ed mast tren was plenty with prop at 30. But everyone does need to juggle diet and output for their personal hot spots.
10 4. Reading now. Thanks rusty.