As the title implies, I am wondering if there are any negative repercussions to taking liver support even when off cycles? Also are there any benefits to continued supplementation?
+1, Very good question! My bad, forgot to add that at the bottom of my comment because my eyes were killing me towards the end, Lol!
As we all know, maintaining optimal liver health is extremely important for anyone who uses AAS. That's especially true when using them as frequently as many of us do. And the we most of us try to keep our livers in optimal health is by using certain vitamins and/or health supplements. While on cycle, some of us will take multiple different supplements specifically for maintaining liver health and liver detoxification.
Imo, I do think that continuing to use some vitamins and/or liver health supplements can be beneficial. Some of the supplements we take for liver health help with lowering liver enzyme levels, while others specifically help with the detoxification of the liver. Some of the AAS compounds and the substances/byproducts that go hand in hand with AAS use can build up and even remain as a type of sludge in certain parts of the liver.
So, it may be very beneficial for our liver health to continue using these supps even after we finish running our cycles. We MAY NOT have the same continued need for multiple liver health supplements in our daily protocol, like when cycling. But continuing to use one or two supps may help us now to fully detoxify our livers of what's left behind.
We should also keep in mind that even though we're no longer running a cycle, we're still very likely continuing to train right? And training usually includes a high protein intake and maybe even some OTC workout supps. High protein consumption on its own is known to tax the liver, and not to mention any OTC products thrown in there.
Also, there's many common pollutants and toxins that we consume and come in contact with each day. So the way I see it, our livers can always use some help with the daily detoxification of all the shit that we consume, inhale, and ingest through whichever way. Like I said above, I believe just one or two liver health supplements will not hurt our bodies at all, but instead continue to help. In fact, many of the common liver supps also have benefits for other parts of the body as well.
Maybe just some Milk Thistle and some NAC, or Theracurmin can help us just to maintain proper and healthy liver function. I myself, use a whole bunch of vitamins and supplements year round, but I feel that I need to in my personal situation. I guess you can say I have a little OCD when it comes to vitamins and health supplements, lol! A lot better than the painkillers I used to take years ago.
The liver is such an important organ and can use all the help we can give it. These days, liver ailments are very common and affect so many ppl. NAFLD, or Non-alcoholic-fatty-liver-disease is one liver ailment that actually affects an estimated 1 in 4 Americans, and we should be very concerned with. NAFLD can be acquired just from eating too much saturated fats, sugar, toxins etc. It can be totally reversible when discovered early enough, but can eventually cause cirrhosis of the liver if left too long and not treated. So it's very much deadly and not something minor that you shouldn't worry about.
So with all the different things that can negatively impact your liver, I think taking a daily liver supplement can be a smart idea. Instead of negative repercussions, I think there are many ways that liver supps can help maintain overall liver health after your cycle and every day. Here's a few choices for liver health supplements to choose from that may be right for you;
-Milk Thistle Extract(80% silymarin content)
-Alpha Lipoic acid
-Glutathione Plus Transdermal patches
It's a very good contribution about liver.
Thks bro! Appreciate it.
Ever use Liv 52? and what about NAC?
Whoops, I forgot to add NAC by itself to the list, but I did mention it in my comment and there is 600mg of NAC as an ingredient in the Glutathione Plus Transdermal patches. I've been using NAC for years, and it's a staple in my daily supplements. If you seen a complete list of all the vitamins and supplements that I take daily, you'll think I'm crazy, lol! But I don't overdo it with any one vitamin or supp, and my labs are always excellent. So I'm gonna stick with it. Liv52 I've never tried myself, but I have heard good things. I have to look into it some more.
In fact, after writing this comment I wrote a new post about a fairly new supplement which is a transdermal patch that contains as a main ingredient L-Glutathione. NAC is used mainly because it's a precursor to glutathione, and has a much better bioavailability rate than glutathione itself. But now we can actually use transdermal glutathione itself for it's great liver and other health benefits. Check out my other post about the transdermal glutathione patches.
+1, Liv52 is a popular product worth looking into!
Yeah i read your topic when you posted it on the patch. Seems interesting. Are you going to try it or have you already?
Very interesting for sure. Didn't actually get them yet myself, but they're on the list with my next order of vitamins and supplements. But from what I know about them and L-glutathione itself, I know they're well worth using.
The liver fixes itself pretty easily, so... If you are not drinking alcohol all year around or taking diffrrent meds there are no benefits for the liver while taking liver support off cycle.... But for example taking NAC all year around can help you with other health functions such as boosting your immune function or helping you to breathe better (reducing inflammation at the lungs).
I totally disagree that there are no benefits to using liver health supplements while not using gear! Like I said in my comment, there's a lot of stress put on our livers everyday through a whole bunch of ways, some which I mentioned. Others that many ppl aren't even aware of.
Just breathing and ingesting pollutants during everyday life, and even the diet that most of us consume daily can really tax the liver. It's a fact that using a liver supplement can be a great help to maintaining a healthy liver. I do agree that taking NAC year round, among other supplements can be very beneficial to your overall health in many ways!
And while the liver is an organ which has regenerative properties, it can only regenerate so much. And if the liver has been stressed and damaged past a certain degree, it will no longer be able to regenerate itself. This is why we shouldn't just rely solely on the liver's ability to regenerate itself. Our livers can certainly use some help to maintain optimal function, and taking a daily supplement is really a good idea.
I'd say definitely take them whilst on cycle - even for oils which are considered of low toxicity to the liver as it is still working overtime filtering out the oils and compounds that are constantly dispersing from the injection sites. As for off cycle probably just stick to the minimum needed such as the NAC powder which I also take, you have to remember the liver is the only organ in the body that can completely heal itself over time unlike others such as the heart. The only time it cannot heal is once it is scarred such as in cirrhosis of the liver as a result of being repeatedly damaged and never being allowed to heal. Even steroid induced hepatitis can reverse itself if the compounds are stopped immediately.
It depends a bit on which liver support supplement you are talking about. I'd do bloods and if liver enzymes are normal when off cycle I wouldn't do it!
See that is that I thought, but was wondering if continue supplementation could just help liver function even more when off everything.
After reading through these I have to say thank you for the information, it was a good read. The only issue I saw with it, and this is at no fault of the study, is the broad spectrum of HDS. I assume that several of the pre workouts, proteins, bcaa, etc. I've used over the years have probably had more adverse effects to my liver than I would like. So I should have been more specific in my question and did some searching. The main liver support I use is NAC and these are the studies I find on it
While I need to read the related studies more, but these do point to the lowering of liver enzymes for NAC. This makes me wonder as to if the amount of supplements can affect the stress placed on your liver.