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+ 3 5 year study on Vit D and Fish oil supplementation

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Came across this article and thought I’d share

This was a government funded trial that tested 26000 people over the age of 50 with 20% being African American. None of the participants had any history of heart disease or cancer. The findings were that neither fish oil nor vitamin D showed any decrease in the development of heart disease or cancer.

The study did find that with fish oil and vitamin D supplementation there was lowered risk of heart attacks by over 28% in all other ethnic and gender groups and 77% in African Americans.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2018/11/10/666545527/vitamin-d...

Original article written by Patti Neighmond

press1's picture

Vit D3 is great for lifting also, there have been various studies done that prove it increases strength and lifting power too. Also has a stimulatory effect on the central nervous system so its good to take pre workout also I've found, like a mild caffeine almost.

JugulrTRENsuspension's picture

Good info thanks

helloBrooklyn's picture

Most dairy products have D3 added to them

And the more fat in the dairy, the better the bioavailability. But I’m sure you already know that. Just saying for those who don’t

helloBrooklyn's picture

Exactly. In the US it’s fortified by the FDA. Not sure about the rest of the world

Protein4breakfast's picture

Good contribution to the topic thanks for posting! I too agree that meta analysis like this are as close to scientific truths especially in areas of supplementation.

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helloBrooklyn's picture

Thank you. Look to the meta-analyses, always. They’re the closest thing to scientific truth we get in the supplement world. A meta-analysis was the death knell of BCAAs, too. At least academically. Amazingly they’re still being sold, so... sucker born every minute, I guess

Might as well link it for posterity
https://jissn.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12970-017-0184-9

helloBrooklyn's picture

Makes sense from a biological anthropology standpoint. Also the reason I try to steer people away from supplements and towards real foods; evidence from clinical trials with supplements are usually very, very poor, if not outright shaky or dubious. The supplement industry depends on pseudoscience to rip people off. Two biggest supplement hustles I ever saw were BCAAs and L glutamine. Both expensive and both completely worthless.

helloBrooklyn's picture

Bear in mind that was only for African Americans. For African Americans it does make sense, since it’s too overcast in most of the USA and the UK for them to synthesize vitamin D in their bodies. They’re not adapted for the climates we live in. For white individuals, there’s probably no need to supplement vitamin D, even though our dairy products are fortified with it anyway.

As for omega 3 fatty acids, it’s better to eat real foods like wild caught salmon, hemp hearts, flaxseed, chia seed, etc. Then you get the omegas AND all the good stuff that comes with it in the whole foods! They happen to be some of the healthiest foods on the planet to begin with, so I can’t personally fathom choosing a capsule over the foods. Which are also very tasty!

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Carlos Danger's picture

I am really enjoying your perspectives bro, thanks for accepting my FR. I couldn’t agree more.
Unfortunately my limitations on a well rounded diet right now sort of hamstrings me and causes me to use supplementation. Poor excuse and horrible reason I know. I’ve been doing some self talk on if I focused on myself with the intensity I put into work and my wife and kid I would have the issue with excuses. At work I never say I don’t feel like doing this report. Or at home i never say I don’t feel like playing with my son. But i have said I don’t feel like going to the market I’ll make what I have on hand. Always have lean meat and broccoli.

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helloBrooklyn's picture

Well you kind of just hit on what might be considered the “correct” way to use supplements, which is of course when you know there’s gaps in your diet due to extraneous dietary circumstances, then filling them in with supplements may well be better than nothing. It’s like what I do with creatine monohydrate. It’s clinically proven to be effective for most people, except for about one third of nonresponders. This explanation isn’t proven, but I would guess that that one third of people are people who eat 2 to 3 servings of red meat per week, since red meat is the most creatine abundant food on the planet and eating it often will be plenty to reach peak saturation, ergo creatine supplementation being unnecessary. I do not eat red meat, therefore I supplement creatine.

Ask someone why he takes BCAAs and he probably wouldn’t be able to come up with an explanation other than “so-and-so said it builds muscle.” It’s like… okay. Lol. Well, so-and-so definitely appreciates you lining his wallet!

press1's picture

I've always found BCAA's, Glutamine and added leucine mixed together to work brilliantly for strength and recovery with many logs to prove it. Unfortunately I just find them too acidic nowadays and end up with an unsettled stomach for several hours after. Food, shakes and BCAA's work way better than just food and shakes.

helloBrooklyn's picture

The science simply doesn’t agree with that, but at the same time I don’t doubt you one bit.

press1's picture

Its the same with everything isn't it - try it for yourself and see how you respond and if it works stick with it. I've got no reason to defend them at all, its just what I've found. If you get the mixture right you can also get a massive natural insulin surge from them also.

helloBrooklyn's picture

No one is immune to the placebo effect. That’s not a bad thing! I have it myself. Is 3 cups of coffee really that much more beneficial than 2 cups? No. Not remotely. The effect on performance should be negligible. But in my mind, 3 cups of black coffee before training is the sweet spot. I don’t care if it’s just in my head. It works for me. Same difference. I know it’s just placebo effect, but so what? It still produces the results. The mind is a very powerful thing.

Bearded_muscle's picture

HB what’s your stance on the vertical diet? In terms of performance based nutrition it’s a hot one right now and I actually enjoyed the pump and strength benefits of upping my sodium to 10 grams+ a day of iodized salt. (Only for individuals who do not have ANY issues with BP)
I see some parallels between your stance on whole foods and Stans near obsession with getting every possible micronutrient from whole food sources.

helloBrooklyn's picture

I dig it. Especially the white rice. But it’s for competitive athletes, not average joes. Guys like you, in other words. Bros who goof off in the gym with pink neoprene dumbbells and machines have no business using it.

Bearded_muscle's picture

Agreed. The last thing we need is a weekend warrior all wound up from work and jacked up on his third cup of joe spiking his sodium through the roof and trying to PR, ending up dying from an aneurysm.

Good luck with the pec bro, I’m rooting for you.

helloBrooklyn's picture

I appreciate that. Congratulations on your placing; that’s extremely impressive