posted Sun, 11/11/2018 - 22:02
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+ 3 5 year study on Vit D and Fish oil supplementation
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Came across this article and thought I’d share
This was a government funded trial that tested 26000 people over the age of 50 with 20% being African American. None of the participants had any history of heart disease or cancer. The findings were that neither fish oil nor vitamin D showed any decrease in the development of heart disease or cancer.
The study did find that with fish oil and vitamin D supplementation there was lowered risk of heart attacks by over 28% in all other ethnic and gender groups and 77% in African Americans.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2018/11/10/666545527/vitamin-d...
Original article written by Patti Neighmond
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Vit D3 is great for lifting also, there have been various studies done that prove it increases strength and lifting power too. Also has a stimulatory effect on the central nervous system so its good to take pre workout also I've found, like a mild caffeine almost.
Good info thanks
StevebThe darker your skin is the less vitamin d you produce when exposed to sunlight
https://academic.oup.com/jn/article/136/4/1126/4664238
https://health.howstuffworks.com/skin-care/beauty/sun-care/sun-affect-da...
Vitamin D produced by the body helps us in many ways. It helps absorb calcium and fight illnesses and cancer.
jayiskAfrican Americans are also at a higher risk for heart disease. Diet could be argued a key factor into that.
StevebAlso when you eat plants you can only get Vitamin D2 which sucks, and Vitamin D from vitamins sucks too unless it's D3. So either get some sun and don't use sunblock because most of them only block the good UV that produces Vitamin d. Or eat meats that have vitamin d.
Most dairy products have D3 added to them
And the more fat in the dairy, the better the bioavailability. But I’m sure you already know that. Just saying for those who don’t
StevebVitamin d is not present in dairy unless added.
Exactly. In the US it’s fortified by the FDA. Not sure about the rest of the world
StevebThey're actually at higher risk for just about everything. And they get skin cancer the least but for them if they do get it, it's almost always fatal. I think it's because they don't produce as much vitamin d as others do. They need to be in the sun like 5 hours to get the same amount as a white person can in like 15 minutes. I read this on pub med a long time ago.
jayiskOz prev. posted this other study
"A recently released meta-analysis of research (a meta-analysis is where researchers find all research concerning a given topic and statically/thematically study those findings in order to to come to some definitive conclusions) regarding the heart benefits of Omega-3 fatty acids has concluded that they have virtually no heart protective properties at all. To investigate the question, the researchers reviewed 79 trials involving 112,059 people.
Research leader Lee Hooper, PhD, SRD, from the University of East Anglia, United Kingdom, and a member of the World Health Organization Nutrition Guidance Expert Advisory Group stated: "I would love to see omega-3 supplements delivering — what a simple way to reduce our cardiovascular risk. But they don't, so we need to focus on the lifestyle interventions that do work — eating a high-quality diet, moderate alcohol, not smoking, and keeping fit and active."
https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/899619?src=wnl_tp10n_180809_mscpedi...
Good contribution to the topic thanks for posting! I too agree that meta analysis like this are as close to scientific truths especially in areas of supplementation.
Thank you. Look to the meta-analyses, always. They’re the closest thing to scientific truth we get in the supplement world. A meta-analysis was the death knell of BCAAs, too. At least academically. Amazingly they’re still being sold, so... sucker born every minute, I guess
Might as well link it for posterity
https://jissn.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12970-017-0184-9
jayiskjust so there is no misunderstanding the info i provided was a forum topic from eroids member Ozninaguy.
I figured it added to the new research that came out the past few days.
https://www.eroids.com/users/ozninjaguy
Makes sense from a biological anthropology standpoint. Also the reason I try to steer people away from supplements and towards real foods; evidence from clinical trials with supplements are usually very, very poor, if not outright shaky or dubious. The supplement industry depends on pseudoscience to rip people off. Two biggest supplement hustles I ever saw were BCAAs and L glutamine. Both expensive and both completely worthless.
Achilles412I agree with you in regards to real food over supplements especially in regards to “workout” supps but I am big proponent in natural supplements to be just that supplements of your real diet. Does the finding of 28% lowering of heart attacks hold no value to you? I ask this because I am very much into supplements for heart health purposes. With that said I also believe majority of heart issues are direct result of genetics
Bear in mind that was only for African Americans. For African Americans it does make sense, since it’s too overcast in most of the USA and the UK for them to synthesize vitamin D in their bodies. They’re not adapted for the climates we live in. For white individuals, there’s probably no need to supplement vitamin D, even though our dairy products are fortified with it anyway.
As for omega 3 fatty acids, it’s better to eat real foods like wild caught salmon, hemp hearts, flaxseed, chia seed, etc. Then you get the omegas AND all the good stuff that comes with it in the whole foods! They happen to be some of the healthiest foods on the planet to begin with, so I can’t personally fathom choosing a capsule over the foods. Which are also very tasty!
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I am really enjoying your perspectives bro, thanks for accepting my FR. I couldn’t agree more.
Unfortunately my limitations on a well rounded diet right now sort of hamstrings me and causes me to use supplementation. Poor excuse and horrible reason I know. I’ve been doing some self talk on if I focused on myself with the intensity I put into work and my wife and kid I would have the issue with excuses. At work I never say I don’t feel like doing this report. Or at home i never say I don’t feel like playing with my son. But i have said I don’t feel like going to the market I’ll make what I have on hand. Always have lean meat and broccoli.
Well you kind of just hit on what might be considered the “correct” way to use supplements, which is of course when you know there’s gaps in your diet due to extraneous dietary circumstances, then filling them in with supplements may well be better than nothing. It’s like what I do with creatine monohydrate. It’s clinically proven to be effective for most people, except for about one third of nonresponders. This explanation isn’t proven, but I would guess that that one third of people are people who eat 2 to 3 servings of red meat per week, since red meat is the most creatine abundant food on the planet and eating it often will be plenty to reach peak saturation, ergo creatine supplementation being unnecessary. I do not eat red meat, therefore I supplement creatine.
Ask someone why he takes BCAAs and he probably wouldn’t be able to come up with an explanation other than “so-and-so said it builds muscle.” It’s like… okay. Lol. Well, so-and-so definitely appreciates you lining his wallet!
I've always found BCAA's, Glutamine and added leucine mixed together to work brilliantly for strength and recovery with many logs to prove it. Unfortunately I just find them too acidic nowadays and end up with an unsettled stomach for several hours after. Food, shakes and BCAA's work way better than just food and shakes.
The science simply doesn’t agree with that, but at the same time I don’t doubt you one bit.
Its the same with everything isn't it - try it for yourself and see how you respond and if it works stick with it. I've got no reason to defend them at all, its just what I've found. If you get the mixture right you can also get a massive natural insulin surge from them also.
No one is immune to the placebo effect. That’s not a bad thing! I have it myself. Is 3 cups of coffee really that much more beneficial than 2 cups? No. Not remotely. The effect on performance should be negligible. But in my mind, 3 cups of black coffee before training is the sweet spot. I don’t care if it’s just in my head. It works for me. Same difference. I know it’s just placebo effect, but so what? It still produces the results. The mind is a very powerful thing.
HB what’s your stance on the vertical diet? In terms of performance based nutrition it’s a hot one right now and I actually enjoyed the pump and strength benefits of upping my sodium to 10 grams+ a day of iodized salt. (Only for individuals who do not have ANY issues with BP)
I see some parallels between your stance on whole foods and Stans near obsession with getting every possible micronutrient from whole food sources.
I dig it. Especially the white rice. But it’s for competitive athletes, not average joes. Guys like you, in other words. Bros who goof off in the gym with pink neoprene dumbbells and machines have no business using it.
Agreed. The last thing we need is a weekend warrior all wound up from work and jacked up on his third cup of joe spiking his sodium through the roof and trying to PR, ending up dying from an aneurysm.
Good luck with the pec bro, I’m rooting for you.
I appreciate that. Congratulations on your placing; that’s extremely impressive