TREN E, DECA, TEST E & HCG Cycle
I'm a 32 year old male, 6 ft, 190 lbs and about 10-11%bf. This is my 8th cycle I believe..
Just got done with DP Test E & DP Superdrol stack. 750mg/week of Test E for 12 weeks & 10mg/day of Superdrol for 6 weeks. Amazing results from this stack. Didn't gain weight, but melted fat off my body, gained a ton of strength, vascularity improved drastically and just molded my body to new heights. I was told I looked like I was 200 lbs+ multiple times because of the dry, hard look I maintained.
Been off this stack for over 2 months now and Test came back low, but free test was still good. My PCT was nolva and clomid taper. Vitals were good across the board.
My NEW stack I just received is TREN DECA TEST and PCT with HCG. Here's how it lines up:
- 600mg/week of Test E for 13 weeks
- 250mg/week of Deca for 10 weeks
- 200mg/week of Tren E for 10 weeks
- HCG on my last injection of Test E and will do 3000iu for 2 weeks, 1500iu for 2 weeks, 1000iu on last week.
- I have exemestane, clomid and nolva from a peptide website that I will use as ancillaries from a peptide website here in the USA.
My questions since this is my 1st time using Tren or Deca or HCG:
- What precautions should I take? (I do plan on competing later this summer)
- Do I need Caber?
- Should I purchase Arimidex for an ancillary?
- How do my dosages look?
- Have you ever used this stack before, using 2 progesterones and what were your results?
- Any complications?
- I will also take Milk Thistle throughout my stack, anything else you'd suggest?
- How often should I have blood work?
- PCT look okay?
- My goal is to put on 15 lbs of lean mass by the end of this stack and be stage ready, so any suggestions on how to maintain the gains better?
- Any other precautions?
Thank you.
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So many factors at play here it is almost hard to begin except for saying STOP.
First, after 8 cycles at 6 foot and sub 200 pounds is head slapping. Unless you were born with cancer you are doing something very wrong.
Second, after 8 cycle you are still asking so many basic day one questions which leads me to believe that you have failed to adequately do your own research for years despite taking exogenous compounds for 8 runs already.
Thirdly, you have never run deca or tren yet at all , yet you are planning on utilizing them together for a first time run. How will you know what these compounds singular effect will have your body? Answer is you cannot.
Your plans both past and future are certainly not optimal and potentially dangerous. My advice is stop everything and get your head in a whole bunch of research material. Learn to dial in your diet fully as 6 foot 190lbs after 8cycles is simply no way to go through life.
Good luck.
What does this even mean? How does this comment even tie in with what the guy is talking about/asking?
The rest of your post makes sense - it's a pity you ruined it with a stupid comment which you probably thought was funny/witty.
So, opening with this kind of statement, you really expect the guy to take your advice? All you have succeeded in doing is to alienate the OP, annoy some other members and demonstrate how tactless and insensitive you are.
The OP has run some cycles, but he is here asking reasonable questions and hoping for some reasonable replies. Isn't that what the forums are all about?
I understand that for many arbitrary emotion response get in the way of optimizing any given situation.
You realize of course that this original post expresses a sheer lack of knowledge, disregard for personal safety, coupled with an extensive history of prior use with an intention of going even further. You suggest hand holds over hard facts? That is your preference. In certain circumstances, a bucket of cold water truth is apropos.
Unless you were born with cancer you are doing something very wrong. "What does this even mean"?
Being born with cancer is a common affliction that is the leading cause of child & young adult related illness and death. For the lay person , it a constant state of affliction & atrophy. I personally have known and do know several friends & colleagues who face & have faced this issue. Now I understand that this man states that has the affliction of colitis however that would not explain years of use with 8 cycles prior and sub 200 bodyweight on a six foot plus frame. So yes, as a matter of simple fact, unless he was born with cancer this man is doing something very very wrong. Very, very wrong...over and over and over again.
I hope this explains my comment more thoroughly for you. This statement was said to exemplify the dire circumstances this man has currently placed himself in. If adults are not capable of emotionally handling simple words then perhaps exogenous hormone self administration is not the best course of action.
I thank you for taking the time to post. You may not agree with me, however, as a matter of fact, truth in an open forum is always a "reasonable reply".
In your facile reply you are trying to put words in my mouth. I suggest advice not irrelevant comments.The rest of your attempt at justifying your cancer comment is a nonsense and failed to adequately explain or justify it, let alone explain it 'thoroughly'.
Hardly dire. Many young guys have run lots of cycles. His current proposed cycle is not one I would support, but that's for the more experienced members here to point out to him in a constructive way, quite the opposite to your contribution.
I don't know if the OP is or is not emotionally capable of handling simple words, No doubt he is, but being offended by insulting words falls into an entirely different category, regardless of the use of exogenous hormones.
So, making irrelevant comments about being born with cancer is 'truth' to you...here is a truth (just simple words) and said in all sincerity: judging by a lot of your posts, you have some behavioural issues that perhaps need addressing in a professional setting.
Nothing personal - in the physical world you might be a great guy, however I can only make a judgement based upon the aspects of your personality that you project here. Have a great day ahead.
Ironically, I'm not going to jump on you for the cancer comment. Seems I've been the one to berate you for several comments I thought were stupid and harmful, I get what you meant. No reason to go overly PC on a off hand comment in an otherwise well stated post. I am not dismissing Ozninjaguy's point either.
That said...
Comeon dude, cancer is the only thing that comes to mind? Not his diet or workout (or lack thereof)
good ol Dr.Bro Science , taking it to far.
You should think before you type bro.
Alphamale500Yeah, "Unless you were born with cancer you are doing something very wrong.", may not have been the smartest choice of words! Just saying.
'Unless you were born with cancer' - I take offense to this...
If this is your 8th cycle you should already know the answers to these questions. Also, i would hope your stats would be a little more impressive after having 8 cycles under your belt as well. Somethings not right here.
Ur pro bb is going to mess u up brother. Sounds like u have a great base to work off of and a diet that needs some work. As far as nor 19 cycles u need to pick one and keep it simple. Find out how ur body is going to react and how to combat it. Dont over do and research alot more. Ur in the right place to find all the answers. Scrap this cycle, research, and come back w something that is workable.
You really need to sort out your training and nutrition first, being 190 lbs at 6ft, forget about hormones for now. You haven’t done your homework, even if this was your 20th cycle, results will still be the same as you haven’t covered basics still
15lbs of lean tissue from eating meat peanut butter and fruit ain’t gonna happen my friend.... seeing that you’re restricted on diet for medical reasons, you should seriously reevaluate using aas altogether... simply put, without the proper nutrition ( which does include loads of carbs for muscle building), you’re pissing in the wind imo.... your ifbb pro cycle “advise” is bullshit .... even with the nutrient partitioning effects of tren, you won’t be able to out drug a lame diet , plain and simple...
jayisk"32 year old male, 6 ft, 190 lbs and about 10-11%bf. This is my 8th cycle...., I was told I looked like I was 200 lbs+ multiple times because of the dry, hard look I maintained."
Lmfao..,this is classic material here. I dont even have anything witty to say because it is off the charts crazy.
8 cycles--6 ft -- 32 yrs old-- 190 lbs but told looks 200 lbs?
god bless the internet and the advice of ifbb pro's. people think you say pro bb and just think of the top pros in the mr. o.
But How many bb have pro cards??????.., hundreds or a thousand., internationally and among the different feds and categories now.
He has the makings of another one of these that's stuck up his own a** going on about how he looks doesn't he...
Rustyhooker6ft @ 190...8th cycle? You wasted 8 cycles. Average hardcore in the gym at 6ft tall is 215. High school football teens are pushing 230 without gear.
You gotta eat. Your cycle is bs.
This kinda sounds like the cycle Ben Affleck would do in that Lifestories: Families in Crisis after school special
jayiskthis is the bullshit propaganda anti-steroid after school special with ben affleck. and he isnt even on tren..,lol
classic show here!
https://youtu.be/rBbAiS9ccF4?t=1634
the other best scence
https://youtu.be/rBbAiS9ccF4?t=1408
Lmao this always cracks me up
RustyhookerFew years back all the newbs came on here wanting tren cycles to look like hugh jackman, wolverine. I said look at dudes stats!! Hugh is like 5-10 @ 160lbs. Just quit eating....lol
PcushionLOLLL looks at those abs.... those aren’t abs, those are ribs!!!!!!
RustyhookerYa but dag yo! Shit looks solid amirite?!
Haga
Before I comment and read comments. Let me say, LOL. Any other questions
This all sounds like a right load of Bullsh** to me - An IFBB pro recommended to you to run Tren & Deca together even though you've never touched either before? You also plan to compete in the summer which is basically in 2 months time yet you've never run even basic deca before??! Then the best laugh is you want to run for the first ever time 2 of the most mind altering steroids there are together....Pull the other one.
I wouldn't run two 19 Nors. Also on the Tren you should start with Tren Ace at a low dose and build up if sides are tolerable. If not you'll be able to get off quick with the Ace.
I think you'll find the HCG a huge help in PCT!
mmmk I've never used a 19nor so take what I say with a grain of salt.
So you have never used any 19nor's , with a little research would see that tren and deca individually have many many sides both physical and mental. You would be wise to run them individually first to find out how your body and mind react. Then in the future when your comfortable with both compounds running them together is feasible how ever ill advised .
your 8 cycles in sitting at 6ft 190lb, logic says your doing something wrong, my guess is diet. good luck
I was sitting around 202lbs in January but have colitis issues that are getting back under control here recently. This limits my diet and mainly follow the SCDiet which excludes a lot of high carb foods. No starches, no grains, etc. So basically my diet can compose of hunter-gather type minus starches like potatoes. I.e.; produce and meats and peanut butter lol. I'l probably run them separate and have been seeing that said a lot but also talked to an IFBB pro and he said it should go well on such low doses of the 19nor's but to also implement nolva and clomid 2 weeks after starting hcg
Eat like a bird and your gonna look like a bird, bro do not fear carbs ! Carbs spike insulin, Insulin shuttles nutrients to your muscles. Its all necessary to gain mass, Carbs are very needed to gain mass dude.
And I do not care What some IFBB pro told you, A pro card does not make him right, there are many ways for a BB to go pro and some of them are down right reckless and stupid with no outlook on there longevity in the sport.
Alphamale500I really like your second paragraph. That's some very real, smart, informative stuff right there bro!
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Alphamale500Just FYI, you should stick with pharma grade A.I.'s and other ancilliaries instead of research solutions. Which is of course another thing you've likely would've known if this was your 9th cycle. No offense, but you're giving off all the tell tale signs of someone who's surely not run 8 cycles already! And I don't wanna cosign a proposed cycle from you that can end up causing lots of damage to your body. Nothing personal.
agreed
My other cycles were test only and then test eq and then test super and have also ran 2 prohormones in my earlier days. Didn't really need anything but some adex when running test eq or just test because I don't really get any signs of estrogen levels increasing. Just my 1st time running 19nor compound. I can handle the constructive criticism. Thanks bud
Do a lot more research before you fuck your self up bro. You’re asking questions you should already know the answer to before even thinking about running these compounds.
Alphamale500Yep!!! +1
People are so crazy bro I don’t understand it. They think this is like a game. But they’re playing with their life. Hopefully they start taking this more seriously ay
Alphamale500I really don't understand this shit either. Too many people don't respect these compounds as the very powerful substances they are. I was just on another post where everyone's giving an 18 year old kid advice like "who cares", or "don't you want big muscles", and such. Personally, I try and use these compounds as correctly and safely as possible, and I do everything I can with my health and longevity in mind! Idk bro. They'll get it one day, when it may be too late!
That's the problem. There's too much damn info out there with mixed views and have been researching these 2 together for over 2 months. Some say hell no and some say the 2 compounds together have amazing synergy
Alphamale500Yeah, using both tren and deca when you haven't used any 19nors before may not be the smartest move. And I do agree with Primo_Build below that something just doesn't add up here. If you have exemestane, why are you asking if you need arimidex? Don't you know which A.I. you prefer to use, or which works better for you after already running 8 cycles? And with 8 cycles under your belt you should certainly know when you should have bloodwork done! And actually, you should know the answers to your other questions as well.
It sounds like you're using the idea of your first time using deca or tren so you have a reason to ask these questions! Maybe I'm wrong. What are some of your past cycles, like compounds used and how long, ancilliaries used and how much, past pct protocols?
This is my 1st time actually measuring my blood levels and being open with my doctor about it. Spoke to an IFBB pro and he said I should get some great results from those doses even thought they are both ran at really low levels. Just to implement clomid and nolva 2 weeks after starting hcg.
I usually have exemestane on hand, but don't really need AI's because i'm not as susceptible to estrogenic effects as some of my buddies do. I'm lucky I guess... but some AI's may work better with some esters, idk which is why i'm asking.
In the past, I've ran test with adex. Did that twice for maybe 8 weeks. Then did Raptor (Prohormone that made me a demi-god lol). Did another Test only cycle with no AI and was fine. Then ran cyp with eq and adex, then PCT with nolva. 2017 I did test e (600mg/week) with superdrol (35mg/day for 4 weeks) and PCT'd with nolva. Last cycle was the one I posted of 750mg/week or test e for 12 weeks and super of 10mg/day for 6 weeks. Nolva and Clomid PCT. Exemestane on hand in case I needed to combat nip sensitivity.
So yea, this is my 1st time running deca or tren e lol but mainly want the deca for therapeutic benefits because I started having serious pain issues in my shoulders that was pulling me back on push exercises.
If I had a dollar for every person that says they spoke to an ifbb pro and they recommended steroid cycles I would have retired long long ago.
So you just walked up to this ifbb pro and said "I was thinking of doing steroids, any recommendations?" And he just without any caution started preaching to you about aas? I live in a state infamous for Pro's and I certainly think a conversation about drugs is not the first thing that comes to my mind. And if any "Pro" gave me advice about drugs I would get a second opinion regardless.
Alphamale500Yeah, right? I had this "kid" on here telling me in a pm that his doctor, who's also a pro bb told him after looking at his bloodwork that he's "good to run tren for his first cycle"! Personally, I never met any of these doctors who tell you that you're good to run tren, have you?? Lol!
You mean you dont have a doctor who's a pro bodybuilder recommending tren for you? Thats weird man. My doc's name is Dr Quackensteen and his office is on 1 bush lane, anywhere, USA, OU812. Tell him large marge sent you for a free 10ml vial of no-ass-itol. You don;t believe me? I'll have you know this is the internet and everything people write is true.
Brother, with all due respect, there’s a lot wrong here. Your first time with tren or deca. And you want to mix them? Just No. You have hcg for pct? You need more then hcg bro. You don’t know if you should have caber or arimidex or another AI? No. Look bro, 750mg of test should’ve blown you up pretty good. Especially if stacked with the super drol. Somethings doesn’t seem right here. I don’t know what to tell you about that, but In regard to the cycle you have laid out above, I’d highly recommend to trash all thoughts of it and research a lot more. Especially before touching a 19nor. Best wishes man
Thanks bro. I have ulcerative colitis and just got through a flare-up, but my usual weight is around 200 lbs. So weight is climbing back up to equilibrium now and was gaining everyday until my flare up, so I just have to crack down on my diet and exclude anything that causes issues with my gut. It's a bodybuilders worst nightmare by not being able to eat starchy foods like rice and pasta or potatoes or anything with wheat or corn. Mainly fruit and veggies for carbs.
This next stack will be on-point to avoid any setbacks on my gut issues. I've been doing nothing but research and finding nothing but mixed reviews on this stack. Some say it's godly, some say its a nightmare depending on the individual which is why i'm now visiting with my doctor to ensure everything goes smoothly but also don't want to tell him EVERYTHING i'm on lol