Sustanon and winny
I’ve used a lot of juice for years but I was extremely ignorant about it and would inject deca and test and when deca ran out tren and test and sometime just test I was also partying a lot and never did any pct. I just got out of prison so I have been sober for 3 years and also no juice for 4 years or so. While I was inside I worked out a lot and am in the best shape of my life now. I also have been reading a lot about safety and how to cycle properly and I was thinking about doing sustanon and winny (sus was my favorite) and then clomid nolva and hcg as advised. I’m in pretty good shape naturally now 196 and 6’2”. Do u guys think sus and winny would be a good cycle? I don’t really wanna do too much or get too big.
EDIT: so upon reading a little further I have decided to try CENSORED im about to order will 2 bottles of sus 350 be enough? How often should I use it and I also ordering hucog 5000 and clomid and nolva for pct.
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DivineHwinnie is the shit man u will see.
Winstrol is my favorite stuff bro, for cutting, for bulking, for power... She's good for développed all performances.
Delete brands QUICK before you get negged to kingdom come
Sorry about that guys still getting the hang of things thanks for all your help and advice
PcushionDon’t look at the drugs as bulkers and cutters. Look at them as wet and dry hormones. Wet hormones convert to estrogen and can cause water retention. Dry hormones to not convert to estrogen therefore do not cause water retention. Your diet is what determines bulking or cutting. You could run test and deca and if you are burning more calories than you consume you will loose fat. The idea of bulking and cutter steroids is a term I don’t use. The dry steroids do add definition and hardness but without a lean enough body their effects are unnoticed so therefore we are back to diet. DIET IS KING.
Great advise brother
Much respect from me
Dope
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PcushionThanks my man
solid advice bro, I would +2 but cant so +1 it is
PcushionThanks man
STEMwhy runnin a cycle when you in the best shape of your life???? makes no sense to me
Because I wanna get stronger before when I was using juice I didn’t really train hard and didn’t run a oct I was partying and strung out now that I been sober for 3 years and training hard I’m ready to do it right this time.
STEMgood luck bro!
Sust and Winny aren't the best combo imo. Test is a bunker and Winny more for cutting. Plus Test and Winny are both rough on Tendons and connective tissue and together they can mean trouble, I got a good case of tennis elbow from that combo.
I agree on the winny front john - It is a great drug for strength and water loss but the sides easily outweight the benefits. I get extremely sore shoulders and wrists on it within only a few days virtually ruining heavy lifting, with the added worry of something snapping/shearing & the dehydration and cramping is extreme - agonising calf cramps in bed, forearms in the shower lol.
So what are you saying? Test and winny shouldnt be run together?
Test only is a great cutter. Diet dictates where your bulking or cutting not compounds used
STEMif I could add a little to this there is evidence that test inhibits cortisol production which in turn keeps you from storing fat. The test people use is to achieve a synergistic affect with the other drugs in their cutting stack.
As far as estrogen goes, even while cutting estrogen has it’s positives and you don’t want to unnecessarily suppress it if possible.
If you are prone to gyno, it’s good to run an AI, but again, some conversion of estrogen is favorable.
The longer estered tests make you retain more water which is why people favor the test prop during cutting cycles That being said many think that it is carb consumption that strongly regulates water retention while on test so as long as you keep your carbs in control you should be aight
I personally have been running test for 8 weeks and have had no problem staying lean while gaining weight but I have noticed how sensitive my body is to carbs when it comes to water retention.
Should I do the winny after test? Looks like I’m gonna try out dragon pharma just put in an order with them
Alphamale500Bro, so everyone don't neg you, you gotta take out that ugl! Can't do that.
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hows your natural test now?
I have no idea
“I dont want to get too big” I always laugh when that statement is made. At your stats you can eat and get to where you want to be especially if you dont want to
Be “to big.”
jayisk“I dont want to get too big”
Hey thats my motto..lol
thats why i stay petite yr round.
havent gotten too big yet.
Yep its hilarious when people say that isn't it, as if you are going to become massive overnight without wanting to be. Sounds so egotistical/arrogant....
I mean to say that I don’t wanna do tren or deca as last time I used those I gained 30 pounds that’s a bit heavy for me.
Especially when they think that the juice is magic and the more you take the bigger you get. When in all reality its how
Much you eat that is going dictate how big/strong you get
I was 230 when I used to do deca or tren hoping not to go past 210
Bro if you only want to gain 14lbs there is no point in putting your body through a cycle. Im assuming you werent eating great in prison so it shoudnt be hard at all for you to get there naturally
I wanna get stronger tho I been hitting gym for six months since I been out and my bench is only 255 deadlift 275 and squat about same doing the 5 x 5 workout twice weekly plus a bunch of other stuff in between and running a lot.
PcushionStrength and muscle size are do different training protocols. You want to look like a bodybuilder train like one. You want to be strong like a power lifter train like one. There are a lot of thread recently covering this. Dig around. Plus six months isn’t shit to those who are about this life. I have been lifting for coming up on 8 years 6 days a week. There are guys on here who make my time in the gym look like nothing.
Training bench on a 5 by 5 system twice a week is way too much, you are overtraining. Do a normal ramp up warm up then drop back and do 2 sets to failure at 90% plus of your max then stop. No accessories or assistance work - this will get you stronger and got me to where I am. No need for anything over 3 reps or you will be too sore to hit it properly twice a week.
For sure..way to much lifting heavy to properly recover...when I lift real heavy for straight power I'll do m/w/f with accessories in between...especially heavy deads..it's so taxing on the cns that you need proper time for full recovery or your just straight beating the shit outta yourself and you won't get stronger/grow etc
Eat more and stop running a lot. Based on your profile pcture you are really skinny and arent ready to run a cycle yet. Your diet has to be on point to get the most out of a cycle man. I dont think your eating enough.
6'11" lol you made a typo if your going to start a cycle after 4 years start off with a normal test only cycle I'm wondering if you not doing a pct is what put you in prison
Lol sorry I’m on my phone 6’2 but no I was partying too much and made some bad choices but it’s all worked out for the better cuz I’m sober now. So you think I should just do test only? And how about pct? Do I need to use hcg?
Some things are a blessing in disguise good for you for staying sober like said above in other comments you could get to 210 with just good diet and training and if you insist on cycling use the search function here for first cycle it will have all pct and dosage you need. People underestimate test only cycles
Good advice for sure bro...he could defiantly get where he wants to be with diet alone...he looks pretty lean so he has room to add some mass and a little bf
Thanks... yea I’m deciding where to order from now and what brand there’s so much info out there just trying to sift thru it..