posted Sat, 05/18/2019 - 21:11
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Personal experiences with high and low estrogen symptoms?
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For those of us who aromatize at a higher rate then normal, dialing in estrogen is by far the hardest part of a cycle! It can hinder gains and make you feel terrible. I find it hard without constant blood tests to dial it in but unfortunately I it’s just not feasible to do blood tests a couple times a week between work, money, and certain laws making it difficult to get them done. Someone needs to make a finger prick e2 blood test like they have for diabetes. I’m just curious to people’s experiences with high or low estrogen and the symptoms they experience.
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When it comes to estrogen, id rather have a lower than optimal level for cycle length than too high, once the gyno is created we have a problem even if it is small and size is somewhat reversible. Id like to have it at a perfect level but as you said constant blood test arnt feasible, rather too low for a while than too high. For me 500mgs of test a week and I forget to take ai for a couple days and I feel it in my nips very annoying but at least we get a warning signal from the body before full blown tits appear lol
basskiller89I developed a small ball of gyro under both nipples form 250mg test e without an ai, I didn't really notice any symptoms. Low E from a crash too much ai and I felt tired for a couple days
I can tell you this when mines is high I feel horrible I'm always tired do want to eat I just want to lay down.
I start to cry watching movies usually lets me know
Clomid does that to me!!
The symptoms of both can be very similar.
That's where bloodwork comes in.
Otherwise your just guessing.
Rusty is giving you good advice. You can use GEAR that doesn't aromatize quite effectively and make good gains!
RustyhookerMaybe you should stop using high test cycles. Research better options. This type of forum has been covered hundreds of times.
In your opinion does low test higher anabolic cycles yield the same results as the opposite? Always wanted to try low test high anabolic maybe get less acne/bloat with that do ya think?
RustyhookerSteroids are muscle repair tools. So if youre not a beast in the gym theres less to repair resulting in less overall growth whether natural or on roids.
And we know without proper fuel/foods that we cannot properly heal with or without gear.
With those givens, we also know that 300-1100 is 'normal' range on testosterone and that our best natural years are 18-25.
So....if youre on 200mg a week of test and believe in 200mg = 2000 on your bloods, youre already fully anabolic correct? So maybe your conversions put you at 1300, just to debate....youre still above 'normal' and still fully anabolic. So now you decide after a few good cycles with simple low test to add provi and your free test is mega high. Or add a low dose of 400eq in there. Regardless, you are in full anabolism. Its really what you do in tge gym that promotes growth and what you do in the kitchen that fuels the repairs. Without fuel you cannot repair even at mega doses. All you get is side effects, right? And without thosr micro tears, pump to stretch fascia, and lactic acid....what needs repair? That gear will then be wasted, converted and excreted.
Or even heres another view from my very first cycle. I was training 6 days a week from age 13 and hit 28. Nothing caused more growth. Food gym etc all modified etc...i was maxed. My first cycle was a MASSIVE 300ng a week and i added 18lbs. After water drop and cutting off the fat i kept 15lbs permanently because i was eating right. So the question becomes....if i did it, why cant others?
I like your question, it opens pandoras box!! The WHAT IFs....
That makes sense , if eating too much food makes you fat then I guess taking more test than you can utilise isn’t going to equal more muscle. Always wanted to try this but you know what it’s like when your about to start a cycle, why do 200mgs when you could do 600mg?? Well you might actually grow off 200mg better with less sides! Maybe.... only one way to find out going to try this. I don’t really like the Androgenic side of these drugs really the most unhealthy aspect I think
RustyhookerOne reason i prefer a small stack over just full blown single big dose. Find compounds that work well with eachother and give it a go. Still gotta have e2 in range but having less distractions keeps it fun.
That's the thing to do. TRT type dose. Most of my best cycles have been done that way.
RustyhookerFollow the bloods brother. If its not in the cards then improvise. Enjoy the cycle vs fighting it.