My first eroids post
I've done a handful of cycles in my lifetime, always using only one hormone, no stacking. Ex's: 7 weeks @ 300 mg/week deca. 8 weeks @ 300mg/week test, 5 weeks parabolin, and couple other short deca cycles. Never used PCT and never had any of the deca dk or any other neg sides.
Although the amount of drugs used were minimal and cycle lengths were relatively short, I made what to me were very satisfactory gains. Further, I was recently prescribed trt from my primary physician, t-cyp @ 180 mg's/week. I was on prescribed nerve pain meds for nearly 10 years due to a spinal injury. I finally looked up the side effects of the drug, and reduction in testosterone is on the list. After being on the meds for so long I will most likely be on trt for life.
After further digression, what I would really like some feedback on is whether it would be necessary to do a pct after doing a 6 week cycle of no more than 20mg of anavar/day. I realize I will need liver/kidney support, but a pct seems pointless if I'm on trt.
Also, I've used the old standard liver aids like milk thistle, NAC, berberine, etc. But I recently read about TUDCA. This liver aid/protector reads like it is far superior to the others. Anybody used or heard otherwise?
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Blast and cruise or txt require no PCT. But you seem to be all over the place here. Set your goals which are unclear here and go for them!
Ya, I was kind of all over the map. I'm not wanting to gain any more mass. At 5'10, 215 lbs @ 15% bf, I would like to lean out down to 10-12%. My diet is pretty clean, no processed foods, white flour, sugar, etc. I've never been one to count calories or ensure that each meal is perfectly macro balanced but if I want to reach my stated goal I'm going to have to start doing my homework in those areas.
If you have any tips on dieting give me some feedback, please. I realize the anavar is just one small piece of the puzzle and even if I tripled the dose I'd still need to have the diet planned in such a way as to provide me the best chance of leaning out to where I want to be.
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RustyhookerI'm not wanting to gain any more mass.
Then dont be lazy trying new gear. Food dude! Safer and no hassles
That's sound advice. On the food side, have you any thoughts or experience with the keto diet? I know it's all the rage now. Not sure if it's just fad/pseudo science, or seriously worth trying out. It sure stands mainstream dietary wisdom on its' head. Burning ketos, ie fat derivatives for energy instead of glycogen from a diet comprised of mainly "healthy" fats, leafy green veges and low amounts of protein 10-15% of total calories.
Seems pretty extreme to me!
I have done a keto type diet several times with great success. I don't go by the book but I always make sure I have excess calories. I do a higher protein than Keto probably recommends. Using fat like carbs, and loading fat pre workout and protein after. I have 6 to 8 meals a day each one with an egg, meat, cheese, oil or butter, and green veggie. Absopure zero carb protein powder with a couple tablespoons of MCT oil. The blood sugar drops, the bad cholesterol drops, good cholesterol goes up. Blood pressure is perfect, I don't even snore when sleeping. Its amazing the fat that literally falls off your body. My TRT dose keeps me from being catabolic so I usually keep most of the muscle mass I have and trim the fat. 5 weeks with no cheating can produce better results than a calorie deficient diet to my body. I have specific goals that I try and hit and a specific body type that I try and maintain to be the best I can be. I am always happy with the results of a low carb <20 grams per day. If you're a cheater, don't even try. A couple bites of carbs a couple times a week will leave you with zero results. You have to be strong willed.
RustyhookerIm not a fan of keto myself. Brooklyn broke it down for ya. I prefer low complex carbs and refeed if necessary...hit a good carb meal. Im currently on a hard cut as i turned into oompa loompa. Down 28 pounds today...depleted of course. But 100g complex carbs before 1pm. The rest of any carbs from veggies. Chickn, tuna, lean meats. Many small meals thru day
Makwa, catalyst and others have great food forums perfect for your goals. Get real detailed info.
Down 28 lbs? Thats awesome, bro. Cant wait to see your after pics in the EBC.
Ehh, that’s more the mainstream fad diet, watered down version of “ketosis.” Going that low in protein as an athlete or someone concerned with performance and body composition will not work. Muscle retention on that low of protein? Forget about it. That’s like the hockey mom edition of “keto,” lol
Protein is kept moderate to high, fats are kept high, carbohydrates are trace, and comprised of leafy greens like you said. The protein acts as your source of carbs (sounds weird, but bear with me). Turning protein into glucose is a metabolically expensive process, which is why calories can be kept exactly the same switching from a high carb diet to keto but fat and scale weight loss occurs anyways; your body has to work much harder to digest the protein and convert it into sugars as needed, as opposed to putting carbohydrates in your body directly, which are metabolically “cheap” to process.
It’s also why, if protein is kept high enough to keep glycogen stores full, an athlete in proper ketosis will never have to refeed
This is a lot, I know. Too much to really get into in full detail. I’d do some research into the ketogenic diet specifically for high-level competitive athletes. Weed out all the mainstream bullshit that only cares about the weight loss and not the performance, ya know?
Great advice, very similar to what I do on a low carb fat cut.
Looks like there are two very distinct sides two the keto coin. Like you said, those who are not necessarily athletic but want or need to lose weight/fat, and those that are say, bodybuilders who would definitely need to moderate the balance of especially protein and carbs.
And yes, I can tell you have done quite a bit of research on the subject, and with more space could elucidate in much greater depth.
Thanks for the info. I have to admit though, it is quite an innovative topic, worthy of some further exploration on my part.
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You had no negative sides? Your on trt. That could be from your cycles with no pct or the meds you took who knows for sure.
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DobermannNo pct boss its called blast and cruise.
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Familiar with Bostin Loyd? Dude abused the absolute hell out of gear for years on end, including ridiculous amounts of orals for long periods of time. He’s very transparent with his bloods, too. He pulled bloods running TUDCA and bloods not running TUDCA on similar stacks and while I don’t remember the exact lipids, they were only off like a point or two from each other. So unfortunately it looks like TUDCA is yet another overhyped OTC supplement that doesn’t really deliver. Which makes sense, since if it were as powerful as people claim it is, the FDA would be all over it to make it prescription only. So you’re probably better off putting that money towards eating a natural, liver healthy whole foods diet
Yes I am. He's still in the land of the living is he? haven't googled him for maybe 2 years now. I do recall that he was pretty open about what he took, and seemed possibly willing to inject battery acid if someone told him it was the hidden secret of champions.
Unfortunate re the tudca. Thought maybe it was something to consider putting in the mix.
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My bloods have been similar. Run 25mgs provi with Tudca and have AST/ALT be elevated. Few months later run provi and a low dose of dbol and anadrol with NO tudca and AST/ALT are perfectly in range. I have given up on most OTC sups.
Yep, another shameless ripoff. The only thing I’d ever even bother with at this point is straight up creatine monohydrate in bulk. I trust UGLs more than I trust these shady supplement companies. I don’t want them to make a dime off of me besides creatine
180 mgs seems like an odd dose.
If your on trt theres no need PCT.
Yes, it does seem a bit odd. However, the "normal" protocol for trt, in general runs between 100-150mgs of t-cyp/weekly, which to me seems extremely cookie cutter dosing. Everybody is different. One person may feel great if they run trt that raises their t-levels into the 600's, where someone else may not feel the optimum benefit until their levels are between 11-1200. And of course the real magic ratio is your free to total.
If you ever need to go on trt @ some point in your life I think you'll find out like I did, most mainstream md's don't have a CLUE how to properly dose test. They don't even mention ai's. Hey patient don't worry if your estrogen levels go through the roof, just think of it as a partial gender reassign, free of extra charge.
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You're correct. Everyone's body is different. I can run a higher dose than my buddy who is also on TRT and still be in the normal comparable range. Also, my buddy got gyno from a TRT dose where is my e2 is always fine. I can run a test cycle at 600+ and never suffer one estro side at all. He has to run an AI permanently now to maintain his estro correctly on a trt dose.