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  • Libido down switched from Cyp. to Sust.

  • stairmaster   •   Sat, Aug 12th, '17 07:50   •   60 replies, 391 views

I switched from 1000mgs/wk Test Cyp. now to 1200mgs /wk Sustanon.

I pin the sust 2 times per week.

Libido, strength and pump were excellent during the Cyp cycle now I'm in the second week with Sustanon and nearly no libido, strength goes down daily - pump too.

I do bloods in 2 weeks to check my levels but I feel shit, really flat... I don't know whats wrong, Sust is from one of the top sources here with a really good feedback on this site...

Hope for some help!

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  • TheFlash85's picture
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  • TheFlash85
  • 17 hours ago

Pinning that dose of test and having to ask this type of question suggests dosing doesnt match experience/ knowledge.

Esters/ half lives.

Your going up and down by pinning the sust twice.

Maybe re-evaluate and tone it back a bit.

Smh.

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  • Manshit
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For me cyp is the bomb and sust sucks,unless I pin every day just like prop.Not sure why but one day I'm a super man the next not even interested in sex.I stick with cyp and don't have that problem.

  • stairmaster's picture
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Exactly how I feel atm.
I felt very well on Cyp now I feel sad and weak...

  • Manshit's picture
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That's why the experienced guys tell you to pin EOD with sust and some every day.Twice a week had me all over the place.I just stick with cyp or enanthate now.Some love sust but I'd pay twice as much for cyp and usually it's the other way around.If it was all I had I'd use it the same way I would use prop.Given a choice I have no need for sust.

  • stairmaster's picture
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Now I have the Sust and until Mon. I run it e0d , and thats my last time on sust!
Hardly started and already problems! Next time Cyp. again!
Thanks for your input!

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  • stairmaster
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I thank you all for the help!

I learned definitely 2 things:

  • I will never switch from cyp to sust again.

  • I do bloods before I ask for further help.

  • Sust just 2 times per week is definitely not good.

  • irongame427's picture
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Whats funny is on other sites twice of week pins of sust is considered the norm and the correct way to run it. Dont see the logic myself. A long time ago I remember reading this one thread on a forum where they were all agreeing that 1 pin every 8 days was the best way to run it. Shit i cant even go MWF or i break out, EOD minimum.

  • giardap's picture
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Good stuff fella

  • felony's picture
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I think that's three things.

  • stairmaster's picture
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fuckin' tablet lol

  • backonroids's picture
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Well he said " he defiantly learned 2 things " so one of them he's not sure about :-p

  • stairmaster's picture
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shut up mate hahaha. It was simply a mistake cause my fingers are too fat for these stupid tablet.

  • DfromPhilly's picture
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Lol

  • backonroids's picture
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Cheers for sharing mate , hope everything comes back okay let me know the findings

+1 for the summary and potentially stopping others making the same mistake

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  • Bill G
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There was a big discussion on sust not too long ago if I remember right the over all opinion on the dosing schedule was ed because of the short esters. Some would dare to go eod and one guy was saying every 20 hours to be exact. Seems twice with week would have your numbers way off up and down . Even with the deconanate Ester in there but that wouldn't even compare to the gram of cyp you were running.

  • backonroids's picture
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do you remember why they said 20hrs ? Eod would be absolutely fine imo as the shortest ester is prop ? And phenyl-prop which has a longer half life ?

  • Bill G's picture
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No I just remember thinking it was odd. I can look it was one of my first threads when I joined. Because it was a compound I heard a lot about in the gym and it was confusing with the different esters. Seems still backwards to me with the shorts being so dosed and the longs being higher.

  • DfromPhilly's picture
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If I were ever to run it I'd do ed cuz I run prop ed, but in super anal about my levels being stable so honestly I just don't think I'll ever run it. A lot of guys love it though. If I wanna mix long and short I'll just run a base of cyp or e twice a week and prop ed on top of it.

  • giardap's picture
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This x 2
It's ED or sides, fairly simple choice
If mixing, the difference between prop and Pprop - neglible
The difference between cyp and E - neglible

Sust was just another marketing campain where the product didn't deliver on its promises

  • backonroids's picture
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It's mad isn't it , especially with the small amount of prop per ml . yeah PM me the link just looking for something to read mate +

  • Rustyhooker's picture
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Cryhavok has excellent forums with charts and graphs.

  • backonroids's picture
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Cheers ,

  • giardap's picture
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  • giardap
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Just for the craic, stick your cycle into a steroid calculator to see what you've done to yourself

  • DfromPhilly's picture
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X2

I use the shit out of those before I start anything. The new ones good but I also like the old roidcalc.com using the way back machine

  • giardap's picture
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It's funny. You might have all the great ideas in the world and they do sound great until you visualise it and see what's actually happening!

  • stairmaster's picture
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I'll do mate. Hope I get no heart attack when I see the result.

  • giardap's picture
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Nah but it will guide you on decisions. Just remember, the bigger the distance from peak to trough = the greater the propensity for sides
All depends on what you want to achieve

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  • vhman
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Why did you switch to sust? Changing up esters at the tail end of a cycle is not a solid idea and can lead to issues you are experiencing. Obviously get bloods done, but next time, make a solid cycle and stick to it. Good luck.

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  • stairmaster
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Your maybe right brother, was not the best idea. Bloods following asap!

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  • chunkypbnj
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Could add 50mg of provi. I always see a dramatic increase in libido with it.