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  • doc26   •   Wed, Mar 25th, '20 12:01   •   18 replies, 140 views

Hi,

I am a 30 year old 5'10" male, 175lbs. . I started my first testosterone cycle 7 weeks ago doing 250mg T, twice a week. 2 weeks into the cycle I started oral (liquid) Aromasin 12.5mg EOD.

For the last few days I've noticed increasing swelling in my face, abdomen and upper and lower extremities. At times it is severe and other times it is just a nuisance.

I am getting total estrogen and E2 levels drawn today.

My question is: is it most likely high estrogen levels causing the swelling or just overall glucocorticoid effect from increased steroid levels?

Thank you,
A

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  • doc26
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E2 at 88. Still waiting on total estrogen.
Still taking 1cc (supposedly 12.5mg) aromasin every day but honestly I have little faith in the dosing of the AI. I re-ordered pharma grade AI and PCT but seems like it’s gonna be stuck in India for a while.

I’ll take any advice on what you think I should do. The problem is I got the PCT from the same place as the AI so I almost feel like I can’t even rely on that and have to operate under the assumption that I have no PCT.

I’m still lifting hard every day and eating clean but this swelling is causing joint discomfort and shortness of breath and is starting to impede on my l lifting as well as daily life, at this point.

The way I see it I have two options. 1) Keep going, maybe up the dosage on my (potentially fake) AI and just tough it out to the end. 2) stop now, start the hcg and pct protocol at proper time (all probably fake or at best not dosed correctly).

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Theres pharma domestic so quick delivery. Get pharma on BOTH ai pct stat. Screw the cost...get it. Pm if needed. Imo you shoulda waited....but....get fixed!

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And no updates.....

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waiting on results still...hopeful they'll be in tomorrow

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  • doc26
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Thank you guys for the input. Really helpful. AI is not Pharma. Thats my first mistake, I understand.
Got total estrogen and E2 levels taken today and will update with results.

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Someone getting blood done, finally +1

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Bill got you below. Good thing you’re getting bloodwork now.

Up your water and cut your sodium until you figure this out, you might be spiking your blood pressure unnecessarily right now.

Btw you really started this cycle too soon. At 175 pounds and 5’10” you aren’t very big mate. Plenty of progress you can still make with just some hard work and a solid meal plan. If you juice too early you’re capping your long term results...

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I agree with you as far as timing. Given life trajectory it was now or never.

Blood pressure has been ok for now, highest has been systolic in the 130s.

Thank you for the reply. Been eating pretty clean but will lock it down even more.

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Been eating pretty clean but will lock it down even more.

Exactly whats to lock down? If youre sub 10% then you are looking skeletal. If youre average 12-15 then youre standing with no base whatsoever.

250 grams of REAL protein...
Bump the carbs up at least 200. Real foods! Im figuring that 3mo after cycle you lose it all. Because its FOOD and lifestyle bruh

Whats your pharma pct look like? If its not pharma, you just lost every gain in 1 week.

Ya, im mean...but its real talk

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If you’re dead set on running your cycle, (I presume it’s a bulk) eat every two hours. Don’t snack every two hours, EAT. When I bulk I do 1-2 cups of white rice and 4-8 oz of cooked weight poultry, steak, or fish. Every two hours from the moment you wake until you pass out at night.

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And get ready to take some big old shits lmao

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Dude you forget about the shits when you aren’t bulking. Fucking hell some days I’d go 4 times.

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Haha go from shitting your life away, to barely having bowel movements.. Priceless lol cut/bulk. Same 4 time Dinosaur mound, even some midnight duties

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  • blackjack115
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It's probably your e2. This could be caused due to your aromasin being bunk or underdosed. I'm assuming it's not pharma grade since it's liquid.

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“Liquid aro” is what stands out to me... If you bought from a peptides site it may be bunk, as stated below diet n water intake are definitely factors...

Bloodwork to see where estro is if it’s high Aro is bunk 500mg Test with that dose of aro it shouldn’t be.

I would also try dosing the aromasin everyday

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  • Bill G
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Estro is my first.
Second is how much water are you drinking?
And how much salt.
Not enough water = bloating
Too much salt = bloating
High estro = bloating.
Get bloods

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Thank you Bill, really helpful.

Got labs today and will update with results.

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  • SL
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Most likely bloated from estrogen and especially if your diet is dirty and full of mono carbs. Is your ai pharma?? Also could be caused be an adverse reaction from a medication, your body may not like something you are taking and swelling is a reaction to it. Keep us posted