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  • Nikoyama   •   Fri, Apr 21st, '17 05:51   •   34 replies, 256 views

I'm a 40 years old, 1.78cm/5"8, 80 kg with 14% bf and been lifting for over 15 years, diet wise I'd say I really eat clean but will perfection my food intake.
To be honest I started feeling my age and thought as advised here to crack on a simple test cycle and see how it goes.

Week 1 to 12 : 250mg test E twice a week (Mon/Thu)
Week 13 to 16 off ( edited)
Week 15 : 100 Clomid 60 Nova
Week 16 : 100 Clomid 40Nova
Week 17 : 50 Clomid 20 Nova
With Al hand

Does it make any sense ?! I'm bit unsure about PCT and if I should ran any AL !? (Edited)
Any feedback or advise is highly appreciated so feel free to rectify anything you see wrong cause I'm really sort of lost though my long research.

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  • Nikoyama
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Here I am guys, my diet been always healthy and clean since I finished university so that's many years ago regardless ....breakfast been always oat with some honey and 3 eggs, 2 main meals a day and that's chicken, salmon or red meat (all grilled), salad and some carbs whether rice, sweet potatoes or pasta, for breaks I fill in the gaps with fruits or full grain bars and a bottle of 2 litres of water sitting on my desk daily...I used to do some martial arts and been shaped for the purpose but since I stopped I realised it was hard for me to gain mass and thought to run a cycle ...my 15 years lifting were for the solen fat burn purpose and to keep active.
Ps : I'm here asking just for advise and direction, don't know what shit are you on about guys ! And why is it not doable for a 40 years old man to run a cycle when he's losing 1% of his organism production after 30 years old but under 30 or even 20 do when they are just shutting their bodies and pinning less of what they'd naturally produce !!?....with all respect to you all

  • mini muscle's picture
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No no, nobody has said you cannot do it. We are requesting more details and asking for information so that we can guide you in a direction that is less risky. We're trying to help. The detail we know and the more understand about your training and diet history the more we can help.

  • mini muscle's picture
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Are you tracking your macros (protien, carbs, fats)? The only way to gain mass is to eat in a calorie surplus but you will to know what your daily calorie expenditure is to know what your surplus would be.

Your diet seems clean and rich in nutrient dense foods but one needs to know calories in and macros to dial the diet in.

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TBH I was not and when I came to term with that few weeks ago I realised I almost need to double my intake and to have a richer protein diet (weight and frequency)

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Tracking macros is not just about protien and adjusting the diet is not just about increasing protien. If one eats a surplus of protien you will get fat, if one eats a surplus of carbs you will get fat, if one eats a surplus of fat you will get fat. The key to macros is striking a balance between protien, carbs and fat. Use this https://www.iifym.com/iifym-calculator/ as a starting point to change the way you look at food and eating. It is a really easy guide that steps you through calculating your macros based on what you would like to do like bulking/cutting/maintaining etc.

Once you have an understanding of calories and macros for bulking then get an app like MyFitnessPal which will help you track your daily calories and macros. The app will also help you understand how your previous eating patterns have been keeping you from putting on mass.

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Boom. You got this.

  • mini muscle's picture
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Yessir, I speak from experience here because when I realised the "I eat clean" was a bunch of BS and discovered macros and MyFitnessPal... well let's say it's a game changer and I don't look at food the same way

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I disagree with below. Your 40yo. I dont see why you cant take some test.

Just come in and clarify a few more details.

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Lifting for 15 years and weighs 80kg and has no idea about nutrition?

I don't think anyone has said he shouldn't, we've guided him to gain more knowledge first about the basics.

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Hes also 5 foot 8. 40 years old. Not some kid. I said he needs to come back in here and clarify things first.

Its not only a site for just body builders.

Alot of options after more info.

At his age he might have low t, so in that case it would be of to the doctors etc etc.

He needs to post up his diet history etc etc.

Not everyones goal are to be ronniecoleman.

Half the cunts on here are young little twigs lying about aging shooting grams of tren eating fuckn pizzas, fake fucking stats etc etc.

Trust me buddy been here a long fkn time in these forum trenches, im one of the original who started safety first in these forum sections, everyone who knows me knows i dont fuck around.

He comes back and i dont like shit he will know about it.

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You've expressed in a flawless way all my thoughts..it's a matter of fact that my t level aren't the same when I was 18 and that's not a medical condition but it's how aging process works, I'm not image freak or ready to fill in my body with anything just to pursue an imaginary fantasy, my diet been always clean but realised needs to be perfected, training wise I can put in an easy plan and commit to the gym as much as I need and with the opportunity to get some clean gear I thought why not to give it a go. Regards

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I would say take the diet advice from mini muscle above.

First step is going to see a doctor or getting your bloods taken too see all your numbers.

There are alot of guys on here who are 40 plus who fully advocate test for " health" reasons.

If you look in the forums there is a section for guys who are 40 plus.

Make a post in there and hopefully one of those guys will friend you and give you advise.

Good luck.

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Nobody is disputing your experience nor the fact that one can smell out the pizza eating twigs on tren, but I just don't get the feeling he is eager to divulge his training and diet history. The sense of urgency in his replies about having limited time access to pharma grade steroids and directly asking another 40 yr old member what they took as a cycle, to me, points to wanting to bypass a responsible channel.

Yeah, I'm all for safety first as well so thumbs up for that one.

Speaking of which is time to eat and be happy!

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Ok.

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I got a friend going back to his original country and he's got access over their to pharma grade products straight from pharmacy hence my sense of urgency

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IF he was MY friend I would try and stock up on pct and ai compounds, ...what someone does during pct is a game changer......AND I would also stock up on all the pharmacy testosterone I could, since this is all that needs added for someone's first 3 or 4 cycles and the base for any cycle afterwards....that's what I would do,but everyone is different.....

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Ah, that's pretty cool. I'd be so happy to have a friend like that ;) like happier than a kid on Christmas Day!

We have sources on here who have pharma grade gear and we have sources who test thier gear. The rule is to not mention the sources on the open forum but you can find he sources using the menus and searching through the "sources" page

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I bet you would :-)))....but tbh I'd never inject anything in this context unless I'm 100% sure of the product origin as a matter of fact I didn't even believe my friend till he called his brother in his workplace and I meticulously examined the state and existence of this pharmacy hahahah

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  • Nikoyama
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I think you got me convinced guys, I have to get my diet sorted first as I reckon I gotta work on that first but and tbh as I got a limited time access to pharma grade gear what do you suggest me to get for my future first cycle. Thx

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I don't think anyone is going to suggest what steroids you should be taking. The board doesn't like spoon feeding and we've suggested a focus on diet and training also the sources don't come and go like the wind so if you're on this board then you have access to the internet and therefore access to the same sources we all have access to, and I can tell you they sell pharma grade goods.

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  • Nikoyama
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It's really nice to read you all guys, appreciate it but I would like to highlight that I'm after this cycle for the sake of a good bulk and not for any health or aging issues also I set up a long term diet that should match up this purpose though I'm still confused with item designations so I apology if I mixed armidex with
Aromasine :-(

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Okey doke, makes things simpler!

Step 1 is to sort your diet. That is how you bulk, so I defer to earlier questions, what is your diet like, why havent you sorted it yet? What arre your plans to sort it? This is an important one because you will not benefit from steroids if you dont eat properly. If you are looking at steroids first and diet second, you will not succeed in what you are trying to do.

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I'm considering a low carb diet with high in protein and veggies as I tried the other way around and I did put more fat than muscles. 6 intakes during the day (3 main meals and breaks in the middle), mainly chicken, salmon and read meat with veggies and minimum intake of carbs.
I struggle to put weight as I do lot of running so stopping that too.
Thank you do your time "guards"

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You are on the right track, almost there.
What you need to do is to understand how and when the body uses carbs versus fats, for fuel. fats and carbs are fuel and nothing else.

Of course you also need to understand how to leverage protein for growth. At it's most basic, you could say that you need to supply carbs before, during and after the (high intensity/weights oriented) workout(s) and fats the rest of the time. Think fats for living and endurance (walking running swimming desk job; living in general) and carbs for high intensity.

Design your food cycle around that and you're ahead of the game.

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Putting on real muscle is going to require you to up those carbs, veggies are good but you are going to need whole grains pasta, breads, rice sweet or red potatoes, ..good amount of healthy fats as well...don't be afraid of adding body fat, it's a necessity if building muscle....
Get the mass/ muscle built up first, you can trim off the extra bf later down the line once you have adapted to the added new muscle.....
Hook up with meddx down below( no- homo) , he's one of the food gurus around here...

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I put on just over 13kg naturally when I focus on diet and training. Based on what you just said now I assume there is little understanding in how diet and training work synergistically and when it seems more fat is being put on rather than muscle, how to tweek diet and training. Based on this assumption I am going to say this - put steroids and the thought of using them to one side, keep reading and researching BUT start here https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/diet-clinic-now-live - I think a proper understanding of diet is what you need right now because low carb and high protien and no mention of fats is just not how bulking works. The guys over in the diet clinic will be more than happy to help out.
Progress in this order
Diet
Training
Then and only then after getting the above two absolutely dialed in, for a while and you're gaining naturally, then think about steroids

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Sort your stats out in your profile, too, bro. Go back through the yellow stickies in the cycle and PCT section, there's a lot to grasp and it needs to make sense to you! Can you post an unidentifiable pic?

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I agree wholeheartedly with all the comments below but I will add that I use Aromasin and it comes in 25mg tabs so 0.5 is 12.5mg which without blood work is playing with crashing estrogen and that is not fun... but this tells me you need to do more research into AIs. There is also a very big difference between Arimidex and Aromasin. It's personal preference as to which one you use depending on how you feel the drug will interact with your estrogen and or if you get along with one and not the other.

But yeah no, get some blood work done and then decide what course of action you would like to take

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Only bloods can say if you need an AI and how much. I hate giving cycle advice, so I'm not gonna tell you to wait 3 weeks before starting PCT instead of 2, but all I'll do is suggest you read up on that idea and then make a decision.

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80Kilos and you have been lifting for 15 years?
14% bodyfat is probably higher in reality??

If you are just looking to do testosterone to feel better/counteract the effects of aging, then you need to see a doctor. you need to get bloods done. Feeling your age could possibly be a host of other problems also not test related. If you are having age related test issues then you should address them properly and not via UG bought steroids....That would be madness. Go see a doctor man, for a health checkup. You will be surprised at how informative it will be.

That said, if you are looking to bulk up, 80kg is lightweight baby (in otherwords you need to learn how to fucking eat!!!!). You're also average (not tall that is) in height which makes it easier to pack on mass which makes it even more confusing to me as to why you're considering taking steroids now

So, wtf if the problem that you havent been able to bulk up? Or are you taking test to feel better?