Aromasin question...
So I'm going to be running a cutting cycle of 250 test e, primo 700-800, and TNE prob 50 mg 4-5 times a week on training days only as pre workout. I know everyone's body reacts different so I guess it's kind of a thing that I'll just have to see as I'm going but I've never used Aromasin before. I've always used armidex or letrozole. I will also be running proviron at 50 mg a day split am pm. So I guess my question is do you think that 12.5 mg aromasin a day would be overkill for the amount of test I'm running? I know proviron has a little anti estrogen properties so do you think that would suffice? I know for me running trt at 250 mg test e a week I don't need any AI. My concern comes with the use of TNE as I know it's half life's is short and coverts to estrogen very easily. Just trying to get all my odds and ends toughened up before I start this cycle which will be sometime near April- May.
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The best advice you will get is from me...BLOODWORK. You are going to get a hundred opinions on what to do and 100 more. Aromasin is a suicide inhibitor, just because it increases igf a tiny bit will not make up for killing any and all estro. you added also you have nearly zero test, do you have recent bloods to back that up? What was your free test? lsh? fsh? e2? cholesterol? If you prescribed 250mg a week what does your doc give you for estro control?
I do have recent bloods. i will get a copy from my doctor next time i go in which should be early next week. I tried to get them to fax it to me today but their dicks when it comes to those things. They told me i needed a consult with my doctor to receive any paperwork of tests they performed.I don't remember my exact number of test but it was low to medium on the reference range. My LH was low but not out of the norm RR but damn close, same goes for my FSH. E2 was under control on both pre-trt bloods as well as 4,8,12 week mark. No Ai has been prescribed. I will say i do not go to an anti aging clinic. The medications and trt I am prescribed to are from primary, which i will say isnt the best route, but i cannot afford a "club membership" to a clinic. Now the real bad part is my cholesterol is fucked. It always have been. I have hyperlipidemia which is an inherent cholesterol "defect". My HDL is low and my LDL is high. For that i am prescribed a statin medication. The one I am on is simvastatin which lowers bad. I plan on switching to a newer medication that helps raise the good, and helps lower the bad. With the use of medication on no tst, and on trt my numbers are still high, just right out of RR range. On cycle, i double up my medication which helps tremendously, as well as taking red yeast rice, and a long acting niacin. This combination keeps me high, but still right above and below reference ranges.
Yes, any amount of aromasin will be overkill on 250mgs of test while using 50mgs of proviron. Go to my profile and check my bloodwork, 50mgs of proviron crashed my estrogen on 200mgs of pharm grade test, that test you know for a fact is exactly 200mgs. yours may be 250, or it may be 200, or it may be 280 if its ugl, you never know. I would suggest no ai, only the proviron. I was using tne a few times a week during that time also except 100mgs each time. So basically the same situation youre in, i wouldnt touch an ai unless you need to.
Awesome brother thank you chiming in. I will check that blood work out. The test. Will be using is pharma test. I think I will just use the old basic approach of have it on hand but if I don't need it, don't use it. I rather have higher estrogen and use the aromas in than crash my estrogen from the get go. Gyno makes me nervous brother. I have. Touch of it already so I have a paranoia factor to estrogen. Haha
RustyhookerI wouldn't run tne on a cutter. Probably wouldn't need ai. Run bloods week 5 to check.
List your full stats. Bf is missing.
List full cycle. You maybe blowing 800 on primo
700mg Primobolan x 15-20weeks
250mg Test E Pharma x 15-20 weeks
•• 50mg TNE Before workout 4-5 x a week
Anavar 50 mg x 6 weeks - 215 tabs
**already have
May or may not run. Have on hand just in case but will most likely save for later.
Aromasin- GP - 12.5mg x 1 a day
**already have
Recent advice I may drop entirely or run 6.25 twice a week dependent on bloods
Proviron- Pharma - 280 pills - 25mg x2 a day
**already have
HCG 500IU each week, 250IU x 2 times a week
10,000IU **already have
HGH 5 iu x day
Post Cycle Therapy
Clomed- Pharma- 31 pills - 3 day x 100 mg, 4 day + 21 days 50mg **already have
Nolvadex- Pharma- 55 pills - 3 days x 40 mg, 18 days x 20 mg, 7 days x 10 mg
**already have
Aromasin- Pharma- 14 pills - 28 days x 12.5 mg
**already have
May drop.
HMG 75 IU x 14 days after a week of last pin
*** NEED
Still researching this. Idk if I will use this or not. Have some more studying to do.
Weight right now 208. 5'10.5" body fat I would say around 12-15. Please see self shot photo. Since than I've dropped prob about 2 percent body fat.
Start of cycle I want to be 210-215 10-12 percent body fat. Goal is to be as large as possible at 8% body fat. Possibly a tad lower. Would like to be 215-220+
Just curious why not running tne on cutting cycle? Just from the bloat from conversion or other reasonings? Tne is a new thing to me, I've just heard a lot of great things about it. Well except the pip, so I decided on getting the oil based version. It could always be saved for later however.
RustyhookerTne for wasn't as much bang as an oral for pwo. If I took 1.5 before gym with big dose of medium chain carbs, I'd have a good pump.
Have you considered doing just a good bulker? 220 goal would suggest 235+ bulked, then cut. Winter time so add mass. Next cycle towards june...etc
My other question in relation to this cycle is is there even a need to run nolvadex at the end? I mean I know it had benefits but it's mainly for the post cycle estrogen spike. With such a low dose of test, this may even be overkill ? Am I correct in my thinking ?
RustyhookerThat is a good question. Shouldn't be much estro to control or block. Might half dose it. Llewellyn prefers nolva. Might google Llewellyn nolvadex. He's brilliant. I like the idea of hitting both.
bigmurphHey brother with test tne you should run your aromasin at 6.25 twice a week you know your body if you get to dry cut back if you think the proviron is working stick with it the thing is this is your first time running tne and it aromatize quickly so run low aromasin first and then 5 wk bloods to finish the cycle right on point remember estro helps build muscle also so you don't want to crash your estro
Thank you brother. There seems to be a lot of conflicting info out there about aromasin.as far as dosage and things concerned. Not so much on eroids. That's why I'm on here. People know there shit on this site! Armidex and letro were always like cut and dry doses. Well for the most part depending on individual and the dosage of aas, etc. I'll def be doing blood work week 5 and I have a good sense of how I feel in relation to low or high estro levels. I will take your advice and start on a lower dosage to see how it affects me. I have crashed my estrogen before and it sucked. I never really suffer from estrogen sides depending on what I'm running but with test @ levels below 500mg a week I respond well without assistance from an AI both physically and blood wise. Aromasin is def new to me so I will keep an eye on things more closely. Tank you again brother !
bigmurphCan I ask why you wanted to do tne instead of a regular test ester
As a pre workout mainly. It's just something new to try out. I've read a lot on it and it seems like something that would improve nearly every aspect of my training. I don't do the energy pre work out drinks or anything.
inwill be running test e @ 250 mg a week as my base. Pharma. I just think the TNE will give me additional bonuses all around for this cycle. Would you advise against it ?
bigmurphNo go for it just wanted to hear you basically say you did your research and know what you are doing go for it brother keep us updated
Will do. And I still have several months before I start so this idea may change by then depending on more research I do. I know for sure I prob will not go higher than 50mg a day though. Just something new to try out and see if I like it.
Just to clear it up since someone aka the ignorant comment below this post pointed out. The reason I am asking this "basic" question is because I've never ran aromasin before. I've never ran TNE before. I know it's a basic simple question but I want to get other peoples expletive on it. I can read other forums until my fingers fall off but I want to get direct responses. I could just start at 12.5 and adjust accordingly to bloodwork that's preformed pre,5 weeks,12 weeks,post but I just wanted to get people's opinion. Isn't this what this site is for or should I just not post anything because of ignorant people like the guy below. And to clear up that. I never posted how to obtain hard drugs. I posted my EXPERIENCE as it pertained to the forum article. I added MY EXPERICNE with the subject and topic that was at hard. Never did I point people to buy drugs. White the opposite.
ManimalKingTrt is not 250/week test. Thats a light cycle.
And no one can answer a dose dependent question like this because answer is dependant upon the user and their individual physiology.
The answer is no one knows.
Thats why we get regular blood work and adjust accordingly because there is no cookie cutter guide for hormones.
I swear bro everytime I see you post its some retarded ass shit.
Fake reviews for promo, spreading info on how to obtain hard drugs in news thread, and now this basic shit. Maybe lay off the drugs and take a walk huh.
And youre 27 why are you on this self prescribed trt?!
Bro. Are you like following my posts man. If your here to be a dick please go elsewhere. Idk what you have against me. I am on trt from my doctor. I am on medications that lower my levels to a point of almost nothing. Thus being on 250 test e a week. I do get blood work regularly. I posted very clear in this post that I know people are different and there is no one size fits all but I was asking was aromasin at 12.5 mg suggested as a start point for the cycle I will be running.
And the funny part is you still mever addressed what I said. Your 15 days new on here, already using colored text, so your making it bluntly clear your a retread that's been banned before. Your stats fit someone who was just banned not long ago. You already have 10 karma in 15 days. You seem pretty well versed on how eroids work for being a "new member" I am curious why you were banned before ???? Want to come out and clear that up for me ?
From here out in just going to ignore your comments until the mods figure out your scheme here. Unless it's something useful and not just trying to be a dick.