posted Fri, 03/08/2019 - 01:29
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+ 1 What Trenbolone/Testosterone ratio you prefer when you combine them ?
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Would be interested in getting your input on the ratio of Tren to Test you apply for when combining them, and for what goals ?
It's quite a debatable topic, with different approaches, if you may dd to it blood tests it'll be even more interesting
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Its the first cycle i include tren and i went with ace. Ace would clear faster from my system and i swapper to prop to inject eod. For more stable bloods i could inject ed but i cba pinning ed. I started at 1:2 tren to test and increased it to 2:1 tren to test. I think i prefer the higher tren to test ratio. 1:1 was pretty ok as well. I will deff include tren in future cutters. The sides i got so far was mild night sweats and that was after 2 weeks. I noticed an increase in aggression and im horny all the time as well. Im also in a pretty good "alpha" mood. I wouldnt use tren e for first time though. Some ppl dont take tren well
I prefer test-e at 1g and Ace at 400mg /week. Always had good results but reading this post I may try running it a little different. I’ve also ran oral tren at 500mcg Ed decent results but I’d rather just pin it.
How did you find the Methyltren results at that dosage compared to normal trenbolone injectable mate? Just in terms of muscle gain not fat loss etc.
The methyltren is a very interesting product, it'll actually not carry many of the notorious sides of tren such as mood swings, appetite suppression and more but it is highly liver toxic
It's the most potent anabolic known to man kind
Its more the long term effects on the Heart that worry me nowadays mate, enlargement, BP, strokes etc. Liver strain I can quickly feel as my appetite dissappears so I quickly back off any orals - but with the heart none of us really know what damage we are facing in 10/15 years time. It is what it is I guess!
I have some Mtren tabs and I must admit they are great pre-workout, just don't know if I could or would run them as an actual cycle as opposed to normal acetate.
The tabs are trash compared to the injectable. I tried running the tabs for a bit during a precomp cycle and then viking mentioned the injectable to me. It is so much better it almost seems like a different compound compared to the tabs.
What dose do you run the methyltrienalone inject at mate?
I will run it the last 3 wks going into a comp. 1500mcg the first two and then 2000mcg the final wk. If using tren a at the same time you can reduce the tren a dose a bit.
Ahh really pal?... I'll take your word on it then - I think the tabs would trash my stomach after several days anyway! I do like it as a pre workout here and there though, they can really make you get on with the job if you need that extra bit of tren mentality quickly when just running test etc.
I get a bigger boost out of halo than i do mtren
Halo is intense and slightly less toxic.
It's funny when Halo becomes the 'milder' steroid!
Exactly.Stick to halo it’s safer !Something you never thought you would hear!
Have you ever tried cheque drops?
No but have a few power lifter friends that have used them.
We provide a unique injection version - it's superior to the orals both in terms of absorption and relatively lower sides as it enables to bypass the first absorption the gut.
I don't have enough scientific data or experience to know whether it may inflict any challenge to hurt tissue and honestly assume that it'll certainly not differ in its effect to any other androgen
So when you are creating or producing a new compound/steroid, what specific factors do you look for in terms of % gains/changes on your actual participants? I mean you must have certain parameters that indicate to you whether its worthwhile putting it into full production or not such as muscle mass/strength/fat changes etc.
Unfortunately we don't have the budget nor the ability to explore the effects of a new product in the clinical level. We would make a proper research based on the available scientific literature, and let the formulator which creating the optimal preparation is his expertise to conclude the optimal formula based on the chemical traits of this specific compound.
We do gather as fast as possible as much empirical data as possible from expereiencd users, and based on this I may tell you that I was quite intrigued to find out that some of the notorious effects of the tren simply doesn't exist with the methyl-tren. How ever I don't have any data on long term risks
There are too many blends with test dominating the blend. For short esters 50mg test prop, 60-70mg tren ace with something like 80mg mast prop would be my preference. Most people are more likely to have test in there stash rather than tren or mast is could bump it up should they wish.
And a similar enanthate ratio to the short ester would be great to, for me personally.
Test 150 - Tren 700
Perfect!
Nailed it
More test will just give me water retention and sides. Zero sides this ratio and I watch myself change daily
Love the way you think my man! Just curious but have you used this with longer esters (enanthates, cypionates, etc) and short esters or just one or the other?
We base our formulas on the following conception - we aim for 1:1 ration for products which are more cutting/contest-preparation oriented, and about 1:2 ratio for the testosterone favor on other circumstances ..... we will try to figure out if there is a need for other ratio, we have a ready formula of 200mg trenE along with 125 testE along with 125 MasteronE
Thank u all for the input
Why?
Why?
Blends are to blame for a helluva lot of the shit we see around here.
Completely agree with you there. If you ask a gear ratio question to ten different people you will get ten different answers (as it shows below). That being said, mixes lead the younger/less experienced crowd to believe “that’s the correct ratio”. When the real fact is everyone likes different mixes because we are all completely different. We each get sides from different amounts and even different compounds.
Completely agree man. Im not a big blends guy, prefer to control. I do think the kids are messing up though with blends a lot. Takes the thinking away from the game!!
Taken into consideration bro
From my experience a proper formulated mixture offers a greater value to your money and more practical order/usage, as you simply gets more in one vial. This shouldn't discourage one from exploring his individual reaction/result to certain dosages, on the contrary to encourage him to do so as the mix provides more access to quality gear and value
Why are you trying your best to sabotage this sources forum page Giar?
Why would you assume I am trying to sabotage a sources forum page? That's a weird thing to say fella, not sure whats up with you.
Anyways, someone (source or not) rocks on and says this is a good ratio, that is a good ratio, I am asking why. Pretty simple/fair question. But, when a source is the one stating it, and he has a pony in the race, you can go fanboy, ignore, agree or question the statement. An intelligent thing to do is ask why.
As a side to those questions.... I am coaching 2 youngsters at my gym at the moment who are ruined from the usual TMT blends with a sprinkle of not-having-a-clue-abol. It isnt the gear, or the ratio's fault. But there is a moral question to be asked when it comes to (as there always is) selling pre-mix to kids. You know... take all thinking out of the equation/make some readies.
Can you post a link to where he did that? I see one post of pure sarcasm and another speaking facts. Neither mentioned this source at all and almost all sources make mixes. So he’s not talking about anyone In particular just saying he doesn’t like the idea.
Post a link? I'm referring to his comment at the bottom of the page. You trying to get clever with me?
No, I’m trying to find his post where he’s being negative about this source.
Relax lads. It's all good.
I was having a laugh below, bit of fun thats all.
Nothing wrong with that and nothing wrong with holding a source in the open forums accountable for their statements.
But certainly not a reason for you men to have a ruck over it.
It's all good.
If you address clearly your concerns will be happy to reply
Well I clearly asked why and why, to your two statements.... not concerns, just why's.
Everyone has opinions on the ratios topic, most differ, but you have a pony in the race, so I would imagine you could give a much more detailed reasoning behind why those ratios are good, for you and/or your customers.
Fairly simple questions.
Alphamale500I think that formula of 200mg tren e, 125mg test e, and 125mg mast e is a very good formula. Personally, I'd prefer just the 200mg tren e and 125mg test e. I'd like to ask you about some gear I'm interested in so I'm gonna send you a fr request, cool?
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I’ve never ran low test over other compounds myself. I’ve always stayed old school in the sense of test is king.
Typically I’d do anything from 3/1 to 2/1.
Example
If I’m running test st 1000mg I’ll run tren ace at 300mg, and up to 450mg. I think i did a bit more then that one time but that’s a good sweet spot imo. Probably nothing more then 600-700mg. Otherwise you’ll run into a lot of sides
Exactly Buddy - Big test for adding great size and thickness and your physique proves it. Whatever you run just keep doing it, one of the best on here. Old school mass rocks!
Test is king 100%. Ive always said 300-400 mg tren is max you'll ever need. Ive ran up to 600 and didn't make better gains. Worse actually cuz i cant fkn eat and get acid reflux. A little tren goes a long way.
In the earlier days I ran 3/2 Test to Tren ratio and it worked extremely well, but now prefer 2/1 as having the extra energy and power is so much more effective for lifting, gets over the lethargy from the tren too.
1G Test to 700 Tren ace I found very productive whilst relatively side free.
I really have only ran tren during prep for a competition. My test is always low. 100mg/wk or even zero test. With these compounds that have incredibly high binding affinities for the andro receptors like tren and DHB it seems to make sense to run it with lower test otherwise you are really fighting to control estro and just a little estro spike while using tren can cause a whole cascading effect with progesterone and make a cycle go bad in a real hurry. Just easier to manage a cycle with lower test and the results will still be spectacular since tren is the workhorse in the cycle anyway.
I agree tren binds hard, test has no chance so just floats around waiting to be a problem
I’ve tried both ways . I’ve found 300mg test prop a week with 400 tren ace a week is my ratio that gets me the best results and least amount of sides . No bloat and less anxiety than a 1 to 1 ratio . Control carbs and night sweats aren’t as bad as if you were eating a shit ton of carbs .
Test higher. The added estrogen aids in trens effectiveness. Why do you think all the new carts have estrogen in them.
PcushionEstrogen does not aid in trens effectiveness. When running a 19-nor compound it’s exceptionally important to control estrogen. If estrogen gets out of wack then you start to see the progestin side effects followed by prolactin. This domino effect takes into account the average male. Some people are just super sensitive and are outliers.
I swear I never have any prolactin side effects. Of course I have the right ai as well as a good dopamine agonist. Just try it man, but as I said keep your ancillaries close
RustyhookerIt adds in added bulk. Being in control of the scenario is the key. Estro was added to the pellets on purpose to add marbling to the beef. Added mass and better flavor. Estro can be as simple as the ratio thats being adjusted by user posting here. Tren wins on receptors hands down. The leftover unused test converts to....estro. And typically you can see cutter or bulker just by dosing.