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+ 2 Viagra, Levitra and Cialis as PEDs

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I assume that some members here are aware to the potential ergogenic effects of Viagra, Levitra and Cialis, this scientific literature offers some insight to this subject - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=24330691

This article shows the benefits of these products for muscle function and anabolism

Many individuals will find it effective to add 5-20mg on a daily basis of Cialis or Levitra, or 25 of Vaigra 30-60 mins pre workout

Immortaltech's picture

yeah, more boners in the gym thats exactly what im missing

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cmryan's picture

I've been kind of curious about this for a little while now. I've never used any of the ED meds as a pre-wkt but I've read of many people using them for that purpose. There seems to be something to NO boosting helping muscle growth and exercise performance. It's not slap you in the face obvious but studies with citruline malate and organic nitrates seem to show there's something there.

My question is: do we have a way to reliably correlate the effect of 8g CM or 1g nitrate to X mg of cialis (for example)? Or something to get in the ballpark? Obviously there hasn't been a head to head study comparing all three or even two of them.

Sciroxx's picture

Not familiar with any article that may compare the effects, nitrates are more comparable in the mechanism to Viagra/Cialis , the effect of Viagra/Cialis is much more pronounced though, u haven't seen someone taking 1gr nirtates and gets ED effect of a Viagra pill

cmryan's picture

Well, I'd be shocked if there was any study comparing the vasodialating effects of the 3.

As to 1g nitrates being inferior as an ED treatment, of course that's true lol. Those drugs were made to target pde5 which is more common in the fun bits. Nitrates are less targeted from what I've read, which is one reason why nitroglycerin is still a common med for high bp.

Obviously sodium nitrate isn't on the level of pharmaceutical NO meds but it still does act as a systemic nitrate donor. Guess I'll need to do some experimentation to figure out which is my best go to eeking out those few extra reps though.

johnmarshall12's picture

It may help muscle pumps a lil bit; but it is VERY useful in helping to LOWER BP! Most of us on GEAR fight BP as an issue quite commonly and these substances help!

333's picture

This is true cialis was first introduced as a bp med so I've read but big pharma didn't want to lower blood pressure and help ed in one pill they would lose billions

cmryan's picture

I think it was that it was shown to not be very reliable at reducing bp. As in it would for some but not everyone. Which made it a poor choice for lowering bp. The other effect (lol) was discovered during clinical trials and the drugs were repurposed and rebranded.

professer X's picture

These drugs were made for pulmonary hypertension. Big difference than just roid induced high blood pressure. Somethin like lisinopril woukd work much much better ( with no sides)and not make u immune to dick pills because face it, on certain types of juice you may need em now n then.lol

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cmryan's picture

I TOTALLY concur about using lisinopril instead of ED drugs for lowering bp. There's several others I'd use for lowering bp before ED meds as well. I was just commenting about what I thought their history entailed (tested for lowering bp and found to be relatively ineffective for that).

Bill G's picture

buying a proper pump wont create growth unless you use it every day for like a month. Looks painfull to me

Sciroxx's picture

There is allot of scientific literature on the role of nitric oxide in muscle growth signaling.
The notion is that the extra fascia expansion and the overload of the muscle with blood/nutrition signals hyperthrophy and even hyperplasia to some degree.

Gymfoam86's picture

I've been riddled with cramping and blood flow issues, I added cialis to my daily regimen about 4 months ago and it was life changing

stairmaster's picture

I use 5-10mg Tadalafil daily against high blood preassure and it works excellent , but I take it always in the morning cause when I take it earlier than 6hrs before I go to the gym the pump is too heavy and feels not good.

333's picture

Well from my experience if i pop a boner pill I have massive pump in the gym the next day after laying it hard to the old lady the night before but not sure how good it would be to take daily

Sciroxx's picture

Cialis was well studied for its safety and effectiveness when taken on a daily basis (chronic treatment for various of syndromes), and was even shown to increase testosterone in healthy males in 22% when consumed on a daily basis (not sure what is the mechanism behind it).

Other option is taking a low dosage of Viagra pre-workout only, the Viagra has a relatively short half life so will achieve the right impact on the proper timing for our goals