posted Mon, 10/23/2017 - 17:31
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Tren or deca?
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Have ran several cycles including the last couple with deca, enjoyed the joint relief and strength while on deca but tends to shut me down hard and takes forever to recover even though I do a 6 week or more pct!
Was thinking on my next one to use tren or has anyone combined tren and deca?
I have read some people responded well to both together and some say don't do it.
Just looking for a little insight for the more experienced aas user.
Or should I just use the tren and drop deca all together, thanks
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I see lots of people talking about the tren sides. I hate to be "that guy", and this may get down voted, but honestly the only way to know what side effects you will see with tren is to take it as far as I can tell. I don't want to come off as challenging what the other guys have told you about the sides because I truly believe those are their personal experiences and they aren't feeding you bs for the hell of it but my personal experience was completely different. I've tried tren a and tren e. I got awful night sweats. So bad the first time I literally thought I had pissed the bed. I sweat so bad at night a had to lay a towel down under me before I went to sleep and me and my then gf STILL had to switch to the other side of the bed halfway through the night because the side we started on was so soggy from my sweat. That's where my experiences with tren and what I'm reading here from other people end. Aside from that I had zero sides at all that I could tell. No insomnia, slept like a baby. No high blood pressure, no sweatiness (except when I slept), no irritability, nothing. Only side effects I saw was stuff like getting strong as hell and having people ask me if I was on steroids lol. I'm not sure if my smoking weed every few hours during the day has something to do with it or what but I'm just being honest about my personal experience. I guess I'm in the minority but my point is everyone isn't the same so to a degree we are our own lab rats in this game.
That’s true bro. Also, that’s why we recommend Tren A your first few tren runs. You can easily adjust the dosage down to help with any negative sides & ed pins lessen sides for me. The one thing I will say is every Tren cycle has not been the same. I’ve had sides with some runs & not much with others, so it’s possible that the sides will not be the same with every person or every cycle.
tren will make recover a hard time
Deca shuts your hpga down marginally more than test e. There is nothing magical in the hormone, its the ester's effect that can prolong shutdown. It can also be down to an individual who's system takes longer to recover due to whichever form of hypogonadism has taken a hold.
You really should diagnose your recovery situation and approach to pct as these things tend to worsen with time.
Yeah I think more hcg at the end of cycle will help to get me back on line and producing on my own
I hear ya,
From a recovery perspective... Hcg is good for one thing only really, testes function
The serms for the h-pit action
Lets say hcg gets the balls working right, thats perfect and you just move to serms to stim the hpit. However, the situation might be that either the balls or else the hpit aint restarting properly or worst case scenario; both. But you need to diagnose this properly with bloods at each point in pct.
There is also thr case for keeping the testes engine running throught the entire cycle. This can take a 6 month or even 1 year recovery down to a month (all things being as equal that is)
Have a think about when you start the pct too. ... depending on how you metabolise the drugs you may be starting your pct too soon.
Just some food for thought. Its an interesting problem most everyone faces
RustyhookerOf course thats not forgetting that if either estro or prolactin is high, your body will not reboot.
Yeahp absolutely.
Not to mention the in-testes estro hcg can produce... that can get tricky too
I would agree with that.I feel that a good reason to keep doses reasonable.I just went through it with my doctor.He had me on 1000iu eod and I wasn't recovering.I lowered the dose to 250 iu eod and boom.Now this may be anecdotal because it could have been a time thing since technically it was in the same pct.It sure "seemed"that,that was the case.
Anecdotal it might be but its still a great single case example.
If you could muster the detail together it would help people considering hcg to start from the right point, dosage wise that is. You should write that experience up dude.
How are you Man? I read a few of your comments during my enforced hiatus. You are a very smart guy, intelligent and analytical. Respect to you sir.
I'll put something together about my history and why I needed the therapy in the first place.All is well here.I was hoping you were just on sabbatical.We don't always agree on everything but you are one of the guys here that uses reason and science.Im glad you're back with us.Respect as well! No homo
I dropped the deca 2-weeks before the test e and then ran test prop for another 10 days. Waited 3-4 days and went on nolva and clomid.
But only had 5000iu of hcg to blast at the end to get nuts back to size. But I don't think it was enough.
I do agree with blood work, going to work on getting that done this time around, thanks
Yeah so thats probably a week+ too early to begin my man, prob want to wait for 2 weeks after the prop
Min of 10 days
But you need around 3 weeks for the test e to leave to the point the pct can run effectively ( if you metabolise relatively normally)
You should get away with 500 to 750iu hcg a week. The body doesnt need the bigger doses unless there is a serious problem with the nuts... usually. Did you shhot hcg 2x per week? Or 3x is better actually given the half life
I personally see no reason to run them together. The only reason I've done so is when running a primarily tren cycle with a low dose deca for the joints. Never ran them both a cycle doses. If I'm gonna run tren it's gonna be to have a dry cycle, nandrolone is gonna fuck that all up. And if im bulking I'm running nandrolone and tren is just gonna kill my appetite and give me unwanted sides probably without really increasing gains all that much. I gain pretty quickly on npp, Dont thin it can go much quicker muscle can only grow so fast.
RustyhookerIf deca was a bad shutdown, don't even touch tren
Here is a fun fact noone thinks about.......when you are on a cycle of eq and whatever else and you give blood, has anyone frontloaded the test and eq to get back to the level you were before giving? Because aas flows in your blood so you effectively reduced the amount of aas in your system. Maybe someone should get a bloodtest before and after giving to see how big of a drop happened. I would but I dont give blood because I dont do EQ. Just an interesting thing to think about huh?
RustyhookerI have thought about that and i figure with ed pins, the drop is marginal. It would seem that if your body reacted as a dip and tgen spike when you pin that acne etc should pop up.
But definitly, would be nice to see bloods for overall science based truth!
Trt.... i thought trt made mandatory duty to donate blood?
No sir, my doctor has never asked me to yet. Since all my otjer tests are in range and no high RBC.
Wow what a thought!!
What are you planning to do with this cycle? Don’t think that’s been accurately answered yet. What else are you planning to run?
Bulk, again! Imma gonna get cut one of these days!
TestE at 600
Try the feel good cycle. A gram of Test with provi. You’ll feel great and low sides. Tren just gives me insomnia , irritability sweats. I can see it for someone competing but for your avg gym rat the trade off isn’t worth it. Just my opinion. Npp and Mast is a good tren alternative.
Ok, thanks bud. Just wanting to gather information before trying new stuff!
Then I would say stay away from tren. Burns up everything and you sweat all the time, can’t sleep and go crazy. Now it’s a really strong compound but I think it’s overrated and unnecessary. Hard work and good dieting couple with a few AAS can accomplish everything tren can without side effects, or having to worry much about unknown long term sides.
X2. I’ve also had blood pressure issues on tren.
Ok, thanks bro.
I sweat like a bitch any way! Maybe try a little npp or deca again but with a lot more hcg to get a good jump start!
I've used a low dosage of Decca for joint relief along with Tren Ace 100mg ED. I think that's maybe the only time you might benefit from mixing them. I don't see adding Tren into a high Decca dosage cycle as beneficial, but that's just my opinion.
Well ask yourself Bulk or Cut ?
Did you run hcg on cycle with the deca might help with the recovery..
I know people they cut with Deca bro! I think it's all a kind how your body reacts to substances.
Both are 19nor so you can bulk / cut with both.
But if he had already probs with deca it could be that he has more probs with tren - less - or no probs.
To the to: Why no EQ?
Well yea you can cut with nandrolone doesnt mean its the most effective i mean i use a crescent wrench to beat stuff with but a hammer works better lol
Good points though i havent ran eq yet but i got some here the hunger sounds like a bonus to me but the cbc effects are the only reason i havent ran it
Hey pal, I've run EQ several times and as high as 900mg/week. I really like the compound, especially with a frontload. I donate blood 1-3 times while on and it has always kept my blood counts in check.
I donate the week before cycle & mid cycle around 8-9 weeks & then again after cycle. Yo can also do a double red blood cell donation if they’re high enough!
Yeah, I donated after cycle and they offered the red platelet plasma machine or whatever you call it, because my iron was like 18 or 19.
plus 1 both of you appreciate the sharing ill definitely stay in top of my donations i think that one will be a low test high eq cycle... the eq i have is orange tho lol it looks like tren my buddy says its good but damn ill have to post a pic later ill need approval cause they were verified but not no more
I’ve ran EQ once and it was darker colored too. It was From a legit source so I wouldn’t worry so much about The color. My 2 cents.
The difference in color is generally from the heat & how high or low it’s heated. I’d say it’s g2g.
It was a bulk and I did use hcg at the end before pct but only 5000iu, think I should used more like 10000iu blast for the last 5-6 weeks?
I did use caber at .5mg twice a week but that's for prolactin issues anyway right?
I have read that deca shuts people down harder than tren, not sure cause I have no experience with tren. I understand that they are both nor-19 drugs
The only good effect from tren i had was strength increase but i only ran ace for 2 weeks my temper cant handle it. Love me some Deca.
No need to tale caber unless your prolactin gets out of control if you control estro you control prolactin also nolvadex can be used to control prolactin as well posted under my forums theres alot of discussion on prolactin control and the dangers if dopamine antagonists its titled nolvadex for prolactin control.
Also look at the forum i posted on hcg i belive and some would disagree with me that blasting hcg at the end of your cycle is counter productive and desensitizes your testes to LH and then when your body produces natty lh it is less effective.
Hcg should be ran throughout your cycle to help keep your testicular function alive throughout the cycle.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/tamoxifen-in...
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/over-40-trt/hcg-open-discussion
Manshit said a good things , if deca shut you down hard what will happen then with deca and tren , but my question because you said had several cycles did you use caber ? Vitamin E ?and try next time NPP it’s a light copy of deca and you can use it for bulk and cut.
If you have everything in order I don't see why you couldn't. Just make sure your blood work, ancillaries, supplies, and basically your whole lifestyle is in order first. Caber caber caber caber
Caber should never be used unless absolutely needed based on bloods .. dopamine antagonists have negative health effects a mile long
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21596771
How is hypersexuality a negative health effect? I suppose if you fuck yourself to death that would count...
My wife woukd disagree she needs a break lol We will add that to the pros list
I hear you!
Hell... test alone turns me into an animal!!!
I just look at my wife and she rolls her eyes and says hurry up!!! Lol
lol that married life you know ... dont stop me from trying
Lol!!!! Would you rather use npp or eq over deca?
never ran npp (alot of pinning) or eq (i got some running it next cycle) so ill have to report back to you i got some interesting nandrolone nolt here that is like a nandrolone sust its got npp in it its -
Nandrolone propionate 60 mg/ml
Nandrone phenylpropionate 60 mg/ml
Nandrolone decanoate 90 mg/ml
Nandrolone laurat 90 mg/ml
Cant wait to run that shiz but im just getting back in a rythm so this cycle is test only well and dbol
Good read and lmfao caber is a hell of a sex drug not gonna lie, I'm not sure about the science of it
XD hell yea true nough
Welcome to level 1 had to bump ya the 49 was so close