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Resulting from numerous posts asking about proviron's uses and general questions, i have created a short fact sheet below, which not only encompasses common knowledge, it also identifies the un-common rules associated with proviron.

Proviron roster:

1) What is Proviron?
2) Proviron's uses x4
3) Benefits of proviron use on cycle
4) Proviron and Deca
5) Proviron dosages
6) Conclusion
7) My experiences

Proviron is a DHT derivative used by AAS bodybuilders to reduce the aromatisation of testosterone and its derivatives. Thus, effectively there will be more free testosterone, which the human body uses to build muscle. Additionally it has been reported through AAS users to help amplify the effect of a cycle (since it increases the amount of free testosterone).

However, in order to substantiate my aforementioned point, proviron does help to release free testosterone, thus increasing overall free testosterone levels useful for bodybuilding. In addition, proviron also helps keep estrogen levels under control in the male body (which means it can be used to compliment your AI (whether it be asin, adex, caber, letro)) - but this compound cannot be used for PCT.

Bodybuilders use proviron for four main reasons outlined below:

1) As a result of proviron's atomic structure it is incapable of forming estrogen. Therefore, due to the increased strength (in comparison to testosterone) in its binding ability to 'latch-on' to the estrogen binding enzymes, it prevents estrogen build-up.

2) As previously mentioned, proviron increases the amount of free testosterone in the male human body. This is a very important point to consider, since approximately ~98% of testosterone is bound to the sex-hormone-binding-globulin (SHBG), thus, since it is bound to the SHBG it is not free testosterone any more and therefore cannot be used to build muscle.

3) As a DHT derivative, proviron contributes towards a feeling of 'well being' (commonly referred to as anabolic well-being) in males, thus it has been used to treat depression in men in the past. Additionally, bodybuilders use it to 'dry up' for competitions, however Masteron is the preferred choice and considered as a better option (proviron has been named as an oral masteron - this topic is debateable). The increase in hardness comes from a reduction in free estrogen levels, thus decreasing water retention.

4) Proviron is frequently used with compounds such as deca - as it adds an androgenic component to the cycle. Thus preventing a loss in male libido and impotence and helps a males sex-drive upto a certain point. However, it makes much more sense to use testosterone (and compounds like prop, tne, suspension) which are very useful since it's a natural sexual hormone.

A dosage of 25mg ED is considered to be an effective dosage for proviron.

To finalise supplementation of 25mg proviron a day during 19-nor-progesterone cycle will help to aid and (i use this word with caution) amplify the effects of that particular cycle, since there is in increase in free testosterone, which is what the human body utilises to build muscle.

I thank all you guys commenting on this proviron topic - and you may be asking yourself, why did i chose to write this...karma? Well...it would be good in encouraging me to continue to write posts and learn more to share my knowledge base, but also to gain opinions.

We have the simple facts (as above), but personal experiences are where it's at.

I came across proviron 2 years ago, where a friend had no clue what to do with it let alone what it was for, so he kindly gave me his proviron free of charge - and, i suppose, as a thank you, i decided to write this post (as above), so that if he were ever in a situation where he once again had proviron, he would know when, how and at what dosages to use it at.

So i proceeded with a little self experiment (not particularly scientifically controlled), i chose to do two AAS cycles, very simple ones, however, one had proviron in, and the other didn't.

The cycles are as followes:

Cycle #1 (Without proviron)
Week 1-12 = Test E/500mg per week/2 pins per week of 250mg
Week 3-14 = Aromisin/12.5mg EOD
PCT 15 days after last Test E injection.
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20

Cycle #2 (With proviron)
Week 1-12 = Test E/500mg per week/2 pins per week of 250mg
Week 1-12 = Proviron/25mg ED
Week 3-14 = Aromisin/12.5mg EOD
PCT 15 days after last Test E injection.
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20

The controlled factors are as followes:

+) Diet was logged throughout Cycle #1 and mirrored into Cycle #2 - same meal sizes, portions, macro-nutrient breakdowns and mealtimes.
+) Training was logged throughout Cycle #1 and mirrored into Cycle #2 (however, an overall increase of ~5% resulting from the first cycle was carried forward).
+) Training time was consistent, same with intensity - I had the same job, so this control was relatively easy to adhere towards.
+) BF% monitored constantly throughout both cycles - BF% remained the same, with a +/- 1% when on cycle due to a tiny bit of bloat

Findings

I too, like GS took my asin in the morning with grapefruit juice and peanut butter, and after a week i found myself to be extremely drowsy and de-motivated in comparison to my 'normal' self. So, i did some reading, and found that free estrogen levels peak towards the end of the night, thus, i began takin the asin pre-bed.

Now, my findings as far as the proviron goes - well, libido wise i was flying high on Cycle #1, but with the inclusion of proviron in Cycle #2 made me want to penetrate anything and everything! In my opinion, the dosage i took was conservative, and although it's is hard to quantify, my 'hornyness' rose ~7-10%. Now we conclude...

Conclusion

My gains post PCT with Cycle #1 were 11.5 lbs, and in Cycle #2 were 11lbs.
Now, this has got me thinking. There are many factors which could have played part in here. In my opinion, post Cycles #1 and #2 revealed good gains, but the gains in Cycle #2 dropped slightly - this could be to do with my body being increasingly responsive towards external test sources among many other factors.

Although my conclusion is brief, i do believe proviron is an important factor in ones cycle, simply because the hornyness (feeling of anabolic well-being) was greatly appreciated by myself, through increases in free testosterone, but also in aggression and motivation in the gym

Thanks for reading,
Brutha-P

References: (http://www.ehow.co.uk/about_5495558_proviron-side-effects.html)
Disclaimer: This post has been written 100% by myself P. If you feel i have breached copyright infringements I would like to see proof.

heady muscle's picture

very good post! Thanks

Whiteguy4201's picture

How long till I notice the libido boost on 100 mg ed

ashop's picture

I like it in my cycles...I look better,,harder,,,libido boost are all improvements
I quickly notice.

wolverinewannabe's picture

Editing didnt pop it up. See my post below please.

PIN_CUSHION's picture

I'm really liking what I see with Provi. It makes a simple cycle even more effective, what more could you ask for. Here is another good post on Provi that I found. (http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/proviron-for-b...)

wolverinewannabe's picture

Ok. Think Im ready to ask now. Been reading like uncles V and Rusty want me to and I see the obvious benefits of provi. But what about hair loss? DHT can cause hair loss, right? Personally, Im tryin to hold on to mine. It covers up a whole lotta ugly. Thoughts/experiences on this please? I dont wanna dismiss something that can be so beneficial to gains without talking it over first snd I dont see anybody talking about this part.

PIN_CUSHION's picture

I think each individual is different. If you are already balding then it's gonna fall out at some point. You will always be at risk with any AAS. Plus no one is gonna make fun of a big ass bald dude, lol

wolverinewannabe's picture

Lol, if it goes, I aint doin the combover!!

PIN_CUSHION's picture

Definitely not! I've always said that. I don't have a problem with balding, just my hair is getting some gray at my age! Not to much, but with my coal black hair they really shine!

wolverinewannabe's picture

Shit! More salt than pepper in mine! Started greying at 25

Deadlifter85's picture

If it makes you feel better I started balding about junior year of highschool and was totally bald by 25. All the men on my moms side of the family are like that.

greenlantern's picture

I appreciate that really good knowledge that you just layed down, respect

Teccc's picture

very good read i have search for such article in many hour!!!!

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CP's picture

That was an excellent read buddy. I didn't want to comment on it because it's a two-year-old thread but I have been using proviron along with my TRT regimen. Only 1/2 a tab pharm grade. I have to admit in all my years of being on TRT every type (pellets, shots etc. ) this is the calmest I have been. So I definitely think there is a mood effect to it. We will see more with future use. Thanks.

Green Ranger's picture

You definitely feel tighter and gives your muscles a hardening effect, plus libido action is a plus :-)

juice55's picture

Very good read thanks

tomos2big's picture

caused me some really nasty sides , i had aching down there , and my ***** went a horrid green colour , the worst part was , it was my girl that noticed before i did , stopped the winny and all went away within days

silat50's picture

P,

SHOULD i START CLOMID AND NOLVA NOW?

I wound up in the hospital for 2 weeks and was unable to hold down any solid food for 7 days. I had just finished my 14 week cycle of only test prop and enanthate. I lost all my gains and more in the hospital, losing 10 pounds in the 1st week. Im shocked so much of it came off my calves which have always been my most stubborn body part and yet a bit of weight,not muscle -( , went to my pecs. Gyno? I just got home 2 days ago. Weight has stabilized. I went from looking like I am just a guy who keeps in shape but looking decent for a guy over 50, to gaining 15 pounds of which over half was muscle so I looked rugged if not cut up. But after stopping working out "and" eating altogether for 7 days and working out for 18 days, I look worse than I did before my 2 cycles this year. Now I look like I never touched a weight in my life! What a waste of so much training. My question:

Should I use clomid and nolva now? Or wait until I start another cycle and use something like adex for an AI. My hospital stay was non bodybuilding related. Anyone have some advice?

musclecar's picture

I do love my proviron. I know it can be expensive bros but I have been adding proviron to my all my cycles for the last 5 years or so. I run a low dose and I also run a real low dose during PCT and have never noticed it shut me down or make recovery any slower. Then again during PCT i only run it at 25 MG a day mainly for the libido boost. Great drug and an old time favorite.

WanHungLo's picture

so i assume if you run it during PCT, you're not finding it to hinder recovery at all?

Do you taper it down, or just run it straight through?

sic26's picture

Still love this post got proviron myself b4 but knowing this info imma put it in all my cycles lol

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sic26's picture

This guy got banned

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fezbo's picture

I was thinking about using Proviron during my cycle to help prevent gyno and increase hardness. Seems like a good idea from what you've posted.

Teletuby's picture

Is it just me or has this stuff fallen off the face of this site. Two years ago I knew of a few sources to get it, now I can`t find any at all, at least not from a US supplier.

tyrantlabs's picture

I personally use Proviron and well my lab sells it too.

96banshee's picture

A few of the top 10 sources have it. Even some way out of the top 20. Ya gotta look. It's there.

meister's picture

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tyrantlabs's picture

I love Proviron. Been on it for 2 months. It has increased my muscle hardness. Plus I noticed the anti estrogen effects.

Chidoman's picture

Took it along Deca, It does what promises along with the libido boost. The fact that it doesn't affect your liver values much is an added bonus, So I would definitely add it to any cycle for the water shedding/libido enhancing effect!

JuiceNation's picture

Although your logs are very detailed, one of the main reason people use Prov is for muscle hardness and density. I was wondering if you could elaborate on that experience?

silat50's picture

Not sure whom you were addressing but I forgot about the proviron and have been using adex for last 2 weeks. .25 for one week, then nothing . went up to .50 for next 6-7 days and still nothing.So I stopped for 2 days and So I was told to try 1 ml daily for 3 days. sound about right?

Big Pimp Daddy's picture

No he can't since he is banned

david_reynolds's picture

Awesome post bro. So much knowledge just layed down here without the bullshit, i loved you article.

Juicy123's picture

Every time I use proviron I get tired and lose strength. Used it from three different sources and same results. Tried it three times because I keep hearing great things about it. I take it for a week and I lose easy 20lbs on weighted pullups. Go from sets of 10 reps on incline with dumbbells 100-140lbs 10lb inclinments to 140lb dumbbells for 5-6. Weight says within normal range. My personal expirence with it was opposite of most guys I know. Then again one dose of letro makes me want to sleep for 2-3 days. Feel free to pm me if you know why this happens =))

GForze's picture

If you have used proviron and another strong AI like Letro, A-Dex, A-sin, and coinciding haven't drastically peaked estrogen levels during your cycle, you may be experiencing the crash of very low estrogen levels due to too many blockers. You could try EOD protocol or with Letro you can dose every Mon for example and then use proviron EOD. if you are taking letro with Proviron, Letro is so strong that it can demolish Estrogen levels thereby making Proviron needless even if it is to harden up. Id rather see someone go with clen and supplement with 15-20mgs a day w/vanadyl sulfate and aromasin in place of Letro. Way better on the body, A-sin is a really undervalued anti-e product and it has the unique property of stimulating LH and FSH hormones that Letro kills and A-Dex isn't much better in this regard. The clen will stimulate the metabolism and provide the energy you need and the vanadyl will control excess blood sugars and pull water from the cells and definitely hardens the physique, but with none of the sides. Just a thought regarding the possibility you may have taken too many anti estrogen products at once or close together. Simplest action, as always....get the estradiol number evaluated through a blood test. Hope I helped you a little. Take care.

silat50's picture

OFF TOPIC: B12 AND TEST. STACK MIX.

May I also ask as long as I am here, if B12 ADDS RED BLOOD CELLS and so does testosterone, wont taking b12 with my gear make my blood too thick and increase my chance of heart problems?

GForze's picture

No. while B12 does aid on the "front side" in formation of hemoglobin for the creation of red blood cells, it plays an even greater role in reducing homocysteine which is a major reducing factor for heart disease. You can get shots fairly regular as long as you go to someone that knows what they are doing but I would advise against the self administration of these, BL's need to be monitored. b12 shots are widely regarding as a safe therapy and can aid tremendously with improvement of issues like allergies and sinusitis, lethargy, low immune function. frequent high stress exposure and more.

silat50's picture

Forze,

Thanks for replying. Why should I bother getting someone to monitor and administor my b12 shots.? No doctor I know here in fl would do that, other than to maybe do some blood work testing for anemia now and then. They arent expenrienced with bodybuilders needs. In fact because I took adex , now uo to 1 mg daily, and after 17 days of no response in any way, I just stopped the adex..AND....temprarally stopped my cycle wihich at this point is nothing but 5-7ml's test prop and test enanthate for max of 7ml's per week. Cant understand why im getting all this bloat. Already after 7 days no pinning the bloat is going away.. I was using it for getting cut but if that wont work, let me assume for aminute that aromasin and clomid wont either...should i just go to a cutting anabolic" like deca duroblin or winstrol.(maybe i should try A CUT STACK THAT INCLUDES MASTERON?)

I didnt get cut up much 30 yrs ago when on deca, but had no bloat either. Winstrol,anavar and all the cutting drugs I never tried bcause back then is wasnt easily available, and i figured that diet is 80% of it anyway. Doesnt seem so now, in my opinion as my protein has gone from 20% fish to 50% 25% eggwhite whites and rest of it ....beef or ground chicken. Also, my carbs are not low, as i cant sleep on low carbs but they are healthy. all bran cereal with a lot of blueberries or strawberries on them, sometimes 2x a day if I cant crap.(thats from my pain pills) And no hi carb fruits like banannas , and I cut back 90% on my dried fruit which i love as much as candy. so why if i paid this price have i wouldnt up at the highest bodyweight with no BF reduction in my life@!!!!!?????

Now.....whats messed up is i FOLLOWED SOME VERY SHREWD ADVICE FROM SOME OF YOU VETERANS HERE AND WENT THRU PRIVATELABSMD.COM TO GET THE FEMALE panel for just $59.00. last week. Would you believe they mixed my order up with someone in another state with same last name but differnt state and first name. called custoner service, got a million apologies and not even an email back yet! This is messing my cycle up as i dont want to go back till i can show you guys what my test results read. Forxe, can I sent you a friend request as I wanted to ask you why i shouldnt take the b12 on my own. if its just a vitamin,whay do i need monitoring? I didnt want this thread to get all messed up with tat one question. -)

Albertapitbull's picture

Proviron is for me better than cialis or viagra. ive
Used roids for 21+ yrs and if i take 25mg a day my sex drive is 100% back. No need for cialis or any ed drug. I buy them in bangkok, the schering brand dirt cheap by the thousands and have no problem brining them back. Just put them in an ephedrine bottle. They almost look the same but as far as sex drive and bouncing back from a long cycle, i highly recommend proviron. I found 50mg ed for 2 weeks then 25mg ed for every week after. honestly ive run it for over 2yrs ed and no sides. Just be careful i heard a buddy knocked his gf up 4 weeks after starting it and they were trying for a long time

greenlantern's picture

He must have been cleaning it and it went off by accident...lol

BostonGeorge's picture

Thank you for posting this! I was actually considering throwing on some priviron...I'm going to continue to look into it but your research has helped answer alot of questions I have! Keep up the good work, knowledge is power bro!

silat50's picture

This is messed up and beautiful at the same time. Just on this page of the thread, Proviron has been touted as a great sustitute for Viagra/Ciais, a PCT and an AI. Being for me it did nothing for me as an AI for 10 days nor did it get me horny, I suspect id need a higher dosage like at least 50mg daily and to use at least 30 days. I do believe if some of you are getting instant erections, then its age, dosage and what else you take with it in your stack that is a huge factor. Me? I already ahev amomisin, armidex clodit and nolva ready for my PCT. i AM NOT ADDING IN ANOTHER PCT for a looooong time. Truthfully if I can even get this to enhance my viagrea use so i only need 50mg instead of 60-75mg, and to also lean me out while on cycle, I will be happy. So maybe I will start with 50mg daily until I see results. If I see results I go down to 25, if no results, up to 100. Id like to stay on it at least 60 days also being 10 days did nothing and it also took testosterone 10 weeks to even kick in on my last cycle. Hey I am 54, I dont react as quickly as I did at 24.

As far as $30 for 50 pills, no I wont recant what I said. $1 a 25mg pill is the cheapest Ive seen it from anyone who even smells reliable so thats 2 bucks a day to start. Will Winny really do the same job as one poster suggested? I am not adding another $60 a month into my stack bill. Plus....I just added injectable B12 into my stack and im very excited to see how that works.

Ecto2013's picture

Roman, can you PM the source as well? Thanks!