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Resulting from numerous posts asking about proviron's uses and general questions, i have created a short fact sheet below, which not only encompasses common knowledge, it also identifies the un-common rules associated with proviron.

Proviron roster:

1) What is Proviron?
2) Proviron's uses x4
3) Benefits of proviron use on cycle
4) Proviron and Deca
5) Proviron dosages
6) Conclusion
7) My experiences

Proviron is a DHT derivative used by AAS bodybuilders to reduce the aromatisation of testosterone and its derivatives. Thus, effectively there will be more free testosterone, which the human body uses to build muscle. Additionally it has been reported through AAS users to help amplify the effect of a cycle (since it increases the amount of free testosterone).

However, in order to substantiate my aforementioned point, proviron does help to release free testosterone, thus increasing overall free testosterone levels useful for bodybuilding. In addition, proviron also helps keep estrogen levels under control in the male body (which means it can be used to compliment your AI (whether it be asin, adex, caber, letro)) - but this compound cannot be used for PCT.

Bodybuilders use proviron for four main reasons outlined below:

1) As a result of proviron's atomic structure it is incapable of forming estrogen. Therefore, due to the increased strength (in comparison to testosterone) in its binding ability to 'latch-on' to the estrogen binding enzymes, it prevents estrogen build-up.

2) As previously mentioned, proviron increases the amount of free testosterone in the male human body. This is a very important point to consider, since approximately ~98% of testosterone is bound to the sex-hormone-binding-globulin (SHBG), thus, since it is bound to the SHBG it is not free testosterone any more and therefore cannot be used to build muscle.

3) As a DHT derivative, proviron contributes towards a feeling of 'well being' (commonly referred to as anabolic well-being) in males, thus it has been used to treat depression in men in the past. Additionally, bodybuilders use it to 'dry up' for competitions, however Masteron is the preferred choice and considered as a better option (proviron has been named as an oral masteron - this topic is debateable). The increase in hardness comes from a reduction in free estrogen levels, thus decreasing water retention.

4) Proviron is frequently used with compounds such as deca - as it adds an androgenic component to the cycle. Thus preventing a loss in male libido and impotence and helps a males sex-drive upto a certain point. However, it makes much more sense to use testosterone (and compounds like prop, tne, suspension) which are very useful since it's a natural sexual hormone.

A dosage of 25mg ED is considered to be an effective dosage for proviron.

To finalise supplementation of 25mg proviron a day during 19-nor-progesterone cycle will help to aid and (i use this word with caution) amplify the effects of that particular cycle, since there is in increase in free testosterone, which is what the human body utilises to build muscle.

I thank all you guys commenting on this proviron topic - and you may be asking yourself, why did i chose to write this...karma? Well...it would be good in encouraging me to continue to write posts and learn more to share my knowledge base, but also to gain opinions.

We have the simple facts (as above), but personal experiences are where it's at.

I came across proviron 2 years ago, where a friend had no clue what to do with it let alone what it was for, so he kindly gave me his proviron free of charge - and, i suppose, as a thank you, i decided to write this post (as above), so that if he were ever in a situation where he once again had proviron, he would know when, how and at what dosages to use it at.

So i proceeded with a little self experiment (not particularly scientifically controlled), i chose to do two AAS cycles, very simple ones, however, one had proviron in, and the other didn't.

The cycles are as followes:

Cycle #1 (Without proviron)
Week 1-12 = Test E/500mg per week/2 pins per week of 250mg
Week 3-14 = Aromisin/12.5mg EOD
PCT 15 days after last Test E injection.
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20

Cycle #2 (With proviron)
Week 1-12 = Test E/500mg per week/2 pins per week of 250mg
Week 1-12 = Proviron/25mg ED
Week 3-14 = Aromisin/12.5mg EOD
PCT 15 days after last Test E injection.
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20

The controlled factors are as followes:

+) Diet was logged throughout Cycle #1 and mirrored into Cycle #2 - same meal sizes, portions, macro-nutrient breakdowns and mealtimes.
+) Training was logged throughout Cycle #1 and mirrored into Cycle #2 (however, an overall increase of ~5% resulting from the first cycle was carried forward).
+) Training time was consistent, same with intensity - I had the same job, so this control was relatively easy to adhere towards.
+) BF% monitored constantly throughout both cycles - BF% remained the same, with a +/- 1% when on cycle due to a tiny bit of bloat

Findings

I too, like GS took my asin in the morning with grapefruit juice and peanut butter, and after a week i found myself to be extremely drowsy and de-motivated in comparison to my 'normal' self. So, i did some reading, and found that free estrogen levels peak towards the end of the night, thus, i began takin the asin pre-bed.

Now, my findings as far as the proviron goes - well, libido wise i was flying high on Cycle #1, but with the inclusion of proviron in Cycle #2 made me want to penetrate anything and everything! In my opinion, the dosage i took was conservative, and although it's is hard to quantify, my 'hornyness' rose ~7-10%. Now we conclude...

Conclusion

My gains post PCT with Cycle #1 were 11.5 lbs, and in Cycle #2 were 11lbs.
Now, this has got me thinking. There are many factors which could have played part in here. In my opinion, post Cycles #1 and #2 revealed good gains, but the gains in Cycle #2 dropped slightly - this could be to do with my body being increasingly responsive towards external test sources among many other factors.

Although my conclusion is brief, i do believe proviron is an important factor in ones cycle, simply because the hornyness (feeling of anabolic well-being) was greatly appreciated by myself, through increases in free testosterone, but also in aggression and motivation in the gym

Thanks for reading,
Brutha-P

References: (http://www.ehow.co.uk/about_5495558_proviron-side-effects.html)
Disclaimer: This post has been written 100% by myself P. If you feel i have breached copyright infringements I would like to see proof.

Just Curious's picture

My own experiments with Proviron are quite comparable, with one important difference.
Running Deca 400mg/Wk, Anabol 25mg/Day and Sust 250/Wk, all I needed to keep my estrogens in check was 25mg of Proviron/Day. No Nolva or Clomid. I continued to take Proviron for another month after last shot of the AS stock. By balls re-bounced nicely, kept about 80 %of gains.

CaptainKenny's picture

Great read. Still don't know if I want to try it. The increase libido is always a plus. How was the liver enzymes.

cltleo's picture

Hey maxmuscle

muscleman1687's picture

great, helps me a lot, thank you bro!!!!

cjs484's picture

Do you think adding proviron to an oral only cycle would help in terms of shutdown and oral effectiveness? I understand a test base is best but I'm just starting out and I don't mind running an oral by itself for now.

sigep1625's picture

Never, Never, Never run an "Only Oral" cycle!!!!! Always have Test as the base!!!

vhman's picture

Do you think adding proviron to an oral only cycle would help in terms of shutdown and oral effectiveness?

No.

Oral only cycles are not recommended here. Most lose all their gains on them and they're hell on your liver.

unclemonster's picture

nice read! thank you ive had questions about proviron

Girulo's picture

good text man. Finally i understand the reason of this compound. So the best is used during a cycle. i was thinking to use it in PCT, but thanks to this text i know i don't really need it, well in case i wanan to increase my free testo yes. But my PCT will be 1500ui hcg eod for 2 weeks, the typical clomi nolva

chriswolf's picture

Hcg in pct is a bad choice.

Last Chance57's picture

Rustyhooker,
Could you explain more what proviron is suppressing in PCT? A bit confused as I thought it would help as an estrogen blocker?
Thanks

maxmuscle925's picture

Proviron is awesome, just like masteron. more vascularity, harder looking etc. I recommend it for sure. Test and proviron is my favorite cycle. In high doses and relatively low body fat proviron can do some pretty amazing things and even seems to aid in fat loss for many. High doses being 150-300 mgs a day. But in general depending on quality again 25-100mgs a day will be good for most novice gear users. Throw in some Caber and make sure you have a willing sex partner close because cardio just got awesome.

TheFlash85's picture

hows the creatine work with this/ opticx.

maxmuscle925's picture

150-200mgs* Fuck

maxmuscle925's picture

Your right, guys like George Farah have no business putting his clients on that high of a dose.

MedDx's picture

So, what was your dose and frequency, while using mesterolone? And what was your test dose? And, that last sentence you posted, are you really mixing compounds like that, for that reason?

maxmuscle925's picture

caber gives guys the ability to have a way more powerful and much longer orgasm and have a refractory period of 0-5 minutes, so if that seems like something your into then yes. That is why it is used in porn. My dose has only ever been 100mgs split into 2 doses. If you do some research coaches like George Farah puts guys over time on up to 200mgs a day or so. And many have commented how the drug does wonders on those higher doses. With that said let the shit talking continue.

IrishMack's picture

What is your secret to getting an erection with less then 15/nl of estrogen? You cant spout bullshit on this site man too many of us here dont rely on broscience. If you are taking big doses of caber and proviron especially if its pharma your dick and balls would crawl up your ass and hibernate, you would be peeing sitting down. My advice is research what you spout, You awakened the Viking and that fkn radar tunnels through the universe.

maxmuscle925's picture

I never said anything about big doses of caber. If its legit it is expensive and you only need like .5mgs every 4 days or so for the sexual effect. Also I never said combine high dose proviron and high does caber. I said for most 25-100 a day is plenty. If you are competing in a competition might be different story.

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

High doses being 150-300 mgs a day.

Fkn joking............... that dosage would crash estro like a fkn train wreck.............. only time i ever used 150mg pr day was when i ran 3 grams of test blends.

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

Happy days Smile

MedDx's picture

True..Op reworded most of that post. It may not be copied exactly, but its close. And maxmuscle hasnt ever ran that much provi...so he is a liar..

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

I want to have a posedown with Mr maxmuscle......... lets see what he looks with his little girl powder diet and crashed estro stood next to me........ unless i can get into fitness model shape im fucked lmfao!

MedDx's picture

Lmao...you would be too moody cuz u couldnt get enuff food bro....lol

MedDx's picture

I have researched provi, and some of OPs post is worded the same as what i have read...

Catalyst's picture

That's what he did with almost every post.....

MedDx's picture

He's a cheeseball...glad he is gone...having him talk about provi is real.drug abuse...lol

whoremoans's picture

This gives a little in depth perspective of proviron. Don't think gains are necessarily what this compound is generally used for but for enhancing sex drive when libido becomes frail. Great post and said through experience not by textbook

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Shinobinomono's picture

Great information,was looking into running this with my next cycle.

The Zomboss's picture

Great post. Very informative

InkedMike_93's picture

Great post man! Very good read.

awesome-o-5000's picture

As proviron isn't c17-aa does it make a worthwhile addition to oral heavy cycles?
I found low dose masteron -e gave me a hairy back!

Ecto_cooler4's picture

yea this post really sold me on Proviron...Im going to incorporate this into my test only cycle and see how it works out ... This will be my fourth cycle and i have kept it simple all cycles test only ... Now i know how my body reacts to that compound alone and i will be throwing proviron into this test cycle ... any idea at what mg is should use ?

wk1-12 ...600mg test e/wk
wk 1-4.... 300mg test prop/wk m-w-f

Proviron??? at what mg and throughout the cycle or starting which week

or would masteron be a better choice??

PIN_CUSHION's picture

I ran 50mg a day in the am for lowering SHBG. Start of cycle up until PCT. worked great for me. Tried 100mg and didn't notice much difference. Make sure you take some prostate support.

NoPnNoGn's picture

Hey pin i was rereading this thread and noticed you posted this awhile back. I have been using proviron at 50mg every morning for my current cycle test prop 100mg EOD first 4 weeks Test E 600 x2 Wk for 16 weeks will taper with prop last 4 weeks also. I love using proviron with all my cycles now. I recently increased it to 100mg and dropped my AI dose for a little while but really didnt notice any difference either so I am going back to the 50mg dose and add my aromasin dose back to 7.5EOD. Anyway I noticed you said be sure you take prostate support, i am currently not taking anything what would you reccomend?

PIN_CUSHION's picture

I just saw this post, sorry I didn't respond sooner. I took saw palmetto at around 350mg a day.

ej25i's picture

Thanks for the post man. Was informative and sold me on proviron.

I was on the wall about it beforehand but now I'm gonna pull the trigger.

DrBolder's picture

Great Post.
I have several patients/clients who have done test based cycles along with other compounds and have seen T levels go through the roof.. Some as high as 2000ng/dl. In one case I had a male using 600mg test. cyp weekly.

Blood test revealed T Levels over 2,500 yet Free Test only was at 3. Blood levels of SHBG had shot up as he aged and caused a great reduction in available Free Test. We were able to correct this by adding 75mg of Proviron daily during the next 12 week cycle and was able to increase Free Test Levels to 12.

As males age not only does circulating Testosterone drop but we see a concurrent increase in SHBG.. This makes the addition of Proviron necessary in order to increase lean muscle and burn fat. A 25 year old male has SHBG levels of 35 (nmol/L) by 35 this has increased to 43 (nmol/L).. This shows the unquestionable need for Proviron during cycles.

Not to mention from a physique standpoint Proviron seems to add a certain dense and dry quality to the physique.. Used for 8 + weeks, Proviron definitely add both effectiveness and quality to an individuals cycle.

Excellent Post,
Dr. R

Danavar's picture

Hey don't mean to bump an old thread, but since you have seen labs, did the Provi mess with the patients lipid profile adversely by much?

k316's picture

Where i come from proviron is available everywhere.
Its no good if you have no testo
It needs to be stacked with testo
The best characteristic is that it acts like its cousin,masteron but its kinda weaker.
Proviron can reduce the rate that testo aromatizes in our body,other than that it can be used as a gaba enhancer since its almost pure dht thats why it has slight antidepressant usage you feel better when on 50 mg and its not a placebo.

My experience is huge with proviron,in greece it costs 3.20€ straight for the pharma store and its available to anyone.