+ 1 Golf ball sized lump from subq
I wanted to get some input on this as I can’t find enough info on other forums on how to get rid of this pain.
Here’s the background:
I had purchased 500 test e. I now realize that it was a terrible idea. I figured that because I handled pip with 300 pretty well that 500 couldn’t be that bad. Well.... I was wrong.
1st pin was in my glute IM and it was by far the worst possible pip imaginable. I could not sit down for 4 days without easing my way into it. I could barely sleep because it hurt no matter what way I laid.
I decided to try subq in my stomach because a lot of people said there was less pip and that it worked just as good as IM.
Now I have a lump bigger than a golf ball that hurts like a bitch and is not going away. I’m on day three. It’s kept me from the gym because If I even step too hard it throbs from the movement.
I purchased sterile filtered GSO and diluted the whole vial down to 250mg/ml. I did a subq shot on the side of my glute with absolutely 0 pip so now It’s g2g.
Does anyone know a way to get rid of this fucking lump? I’ve done heat and ice but I don’t actually know what the lump is composed of to research how to make it go away
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BigCactusThey key to subq is don't pin more than 0.3ml of gear, and if the gear causes pip IM don't pin it. Avoid gear with high EO content, that shit burns.
The key to not getting lumps is to let your fat go after pinching it to put the needle in. That will leave a lump.
I did an entire 8 week cycle of tren once all sub-q (I found I didnt have sides when I did it sub-q)
Not a single injection didnt hurt, burning and swelling and I had to use a lot of my stomach area since it took quite a while for it to go away in each section.
Ibuprofen does wonders for PIP but now so for the liver so its a trade off. but wasnt uncommon for me to run up to 1600mg a day if i had horrific PIP, especially glutes since I had to work....
Damn I miss this guy
I cannot even imagine the pain caused by pinning Tren ace Sub-q, how come you carried on for 8 weeks after realising how bad it was after just a couple of pins?
Well, at the time no one on here had really done it much so its was in the name of science...lol....
And I wasnt getting any sides. Which if you do get sides this in itself would be enough to fight the two day wasp stings....
And I was younger
I tried the stomach too where I pin GH. Even if I didn't get the nasty welts another huge issue was I couldn't wear my belt when I wanted to go heavy because of the pain. I really wish it worked for me. Being able to pin oil Sub-Q would be a dream. Especially for ED injection protocols.
It seems like my bigger ones last 1-2 weeks before going away. Try heat and then pressing down into it with your thumbs. It'll hurt but will make it break down a little bit.
It sucks but be patient and it should go away in another week or two.
I had a lump that developed at a pin site. The lump lasted for about 2 years and then one morning it was gone. About a day later the site started to swell and turn red. Then fever started of around 100. Long story short I had to have surgery to drain it and left with a big scar. Get it looked at now before it gets worse.
I've tried Sub-Q twice and burk left me with large, red, swollen and painful lumps. Both grew to size of golf balls and didn't progress any worse so I believe they were sterile abscesses. I drained them at home with 18g pins and 20 ml syringes, but I wouldn't recommend doing it at home to the average user. I have access to the right supplies and the correct training to do it at home safely.
Either way, Sub-Q is not for me!
I think the issue with subq is the amounts people try to do. It needs to almost be micro dosed so to speak. High mg gear would deff cause problems.
You are correct sir. I remember pinning 1 ML of Test E SQ in my stomach. Whole area knotted up for 3-4 days and at the 3rd day turned black and blue. Two weeks later after it subsided i went to the other side with a 1/2 ml and still had a small knot for a day or so. Went back to glute injections after that. I believe if you're using fast acting gear and are forced to pin daily then small injections may be tolerable SQ but i would absolutely advise trying a very small amount as you mentioned to asses tolerance and reaction.
Both of the ones I did were 1/4 ml of test-e at 250 mg/ml. My body just doesn't react well.
Same.
AnonDr. John Crisler I believe, is a trt, or was a trt Dr in my area who would prescribe sub q shots up to .5ml I believe. He has several videos of him doing it. Never seemed to have a problem with welts but God damn man, if I do .1 ml I get a welt like a bee sting even from Watson cyp. The actual prescription testosterone.
The dude was lean too.
Yea. I don't know. Not a fan. I tried a few times small doses and still had reactions.
It should go away with time within a week, if it doesn't and it has qualities like tenderness, redness and more than usual swelling then go to doctor. Better be safe than sorry.
With short subq injections you have to use small amounts. Too large of volume will cause you problems when done subq and I would suggest IM in that case.
You are right. If injecting IM use small amount and inject very slowly.
I did IM with NPP and got one threw that shit away with a quickness.
I got one in my quad once from I'M but it was so long ago I don't remember the substance. I eventually drained the fucker BUT that is because I have the medical training and access to necessary medical supplies to do so properly.
I’m always scared when I get one. I don’t want a scar on my delt or whatever injection spot I use.
They always freak me out too. Even if I'm a 99% sure what it is, a lump popping up anywhere isn't good!
Be careful with 500.
Youll end up in hospital.
Half ml at a time.
If not chuck in bin.
You may want to try some hot and cold compress along with some massage in that area. Over time it should dissipate.
eddoHow are you getting on fella? Did you get this treated medically? How much oil did you pin subq, do you think it was the amount of oil or concentration that caused you the problem? Cheers bro hope your gd now!
Me personally when I had an abscess, had to have emergency room drain it with an 18 gauge needle and antibiotics, bactrim I think it was called. But mine was super sore to the touch,hot and my body was running a fever. It was my last resort but only thing that helped.
Your probably going to need to get the lump drained. The same thing happened to me both times I tried sub q. I drained both myself because I have the training and access to supplies, but without that go to a doc/urgent care, tell them that you got pricked by a finishing nail or something, it's been there for a few days and hasn't gotten any better and they will drain it.
Great advice +2
Thanks bro. Both times felt like a sterile abscess to me. The lump swole up, hurt like hell and didn't get any better or worse until it was drained. Two or three days post drainage all was well. I am thinking it had to do with the irritant being removed and my body no longer attacking/quarentining it.
Alphamale500Hey bro! I just wanted to touch base with you and see how your lump was going? Is it getting better or what?
It's happened to most of us one time or another! Less soo to myself in the nineties when mostly everything was Pharma grade. I put a heating pad on mine when it happened and just waited it out as long as it got better daily.
That really sucks bro. I'm glad it's getting better for you. I've never understood why guys use such high dosed gear? I understand trying to kerp oil volume down. Shit when I'm in prep im using 3ml or more a day per pin but 500mg/ml of any compound os just crazy to me and just asking for trouble.
Yeah lesson learned. I figured .5 ml twice a week couldn’t be that bad. Unfortunately and fortunately I’m still learning new things every time no matter how much research I do.
Live and learn brother
Well shit in a bag and punch it! You did 1ml of undiluted test 500 in one place subq!!?? That is mad! Haha sometimes I get a bit of a sore lump if I inject my 9.25ml pharma grade test e 250 (I do 2 shots) too fast or don’t warm it up enough. Doing 1ml test 500 I can only imagine lol
Glad it’s starting to go away now bud, you live and learn eh! Haha
No it was only .5 ml, 1ml would’ve been a lot more unbearable I assume. I’m guessing you mean .925ml (hopefully lol)
But yeah I’m doing a lot better now, Thanks
Yep I’m sure it would have been, no lol, was supposed to be 0.25ml x 2 per week of 250mg/ml pharma stuff
AnonWait....your what now? 9ml shot? Why the...f...
Explain.
Yes, 9.25ml of 250mg test e twice a week subq, I’m a big guy what of it?? :-/
Lmao good catch! should be 0.25 sorry
RustyhookerI inject my 9.25ml
Caught that one...lol.
The lump is subsiding. Probably half the size it was. Might take another week to go away but it’s getting there. Thanks for everyone’s help and input.
Its great that sense of relief you get when you realise you aren't going to have to have a pound of muscle cut out isn't it! Lol Your first major oil lump is a frightening experience that's for sure .....
PcushionIt does say for IM use only... the lump will go away. Put a warm rag over it and gently rub, this helps. Grow some balls and shoot in the muscle.
You’re right it does say that but apparently drs are changing over to subq frequently.
In my case it was just the ignorance of not understanding how ridiculous 500mg/ml. My glutes swoll to bowling balls and there’s no way I was putting that shit in my delt or quad so subq sounded more convenient....it wasn’t.
It’s a lesson learned. Back down to 250-300 for my next cycle. I made a heating pad now so thanks for the advice.
It says IM only because that was the only testing pharma did to get FDA approval. They are not likely to pay the costs needed to get FDA approval for Sub-Q.
Doc's over the years have been doing their own studies with great success and publishing them.
Same issue with clomed. It was not FDA approved for men and that's why insurance companies won't pay for clomed therapy; in spite of all the doctor studies that prove its effectiveness.
Alphamale500Give it enough time, it'll go away! Of course if it becomes dark red, warm to the touch with severe pain, or you develop a fever, red streaks or lines going up or down or side to side from the injection site, or has other signs of infection, you should see a doctor asap. But if it's just a lump that hurts without any other symptoms, it should go away on its own with enough time.
If it's infected, doctors will usually prescribe a broad spectrum antibiotic like Augmentin(amoxicillin and clavulanic acid). I always keep some on hand just in case of an emergency. But if you think you have an infection, you should always seek medical attention immediately.
I just wanted to add that your first mistake was buying some 500mg/ml test. And your big mistake was trying to use 500mg/ml test for a sub-q injection! Your worst mistake was using the same gear that gave you some extremely painful in your glutes after an IM injection, and then deciding it'll be a good idea to give yourself a sub-q injection with that same gear! Smh!! But that was good thinking with the sterile, filtered GSO, so I'll give you a bump for that!
+1
Yeah I’m retarded. Ignorant mistake for sure. The difference between 300mg/ml and 500mg/ml is insane. Basically the gso was on its way and would’ve arrived a few days after my injection day. Didn’t want to skip my dose and figured I could tough it out no problem. Couldn’t have been more wrong.
I got some amoxicillin yesterday. I’m holding onto it for now unless it gets worse.
Thanks for the info man.
Alphamale500Well I think the major difference was one was a 300mg/ml IM injection, and the other was a 500mg/ml sub-q injection, Lol! You live and you learn, right? Don't sweat it bro. The amoxicillin is a good broad spectrum antibiotic for an emergency in a situation like yours. I'd take them if you have any signs of an infection, and not wait until it gets bad.
I always keep certain meds as part of my emergency situation stash. Meds such as Augmentin(Broad spectrum antibiotic) for an infected injection site. Benadryl(diphenhydramine), which is an antihistamine which works on the H1 receptor, and Pepcid(famotidine) tablets which work the H2 receptor, both which come in handy in case of an allergic reaction such as an anaphylactic reaction where your tongue, lips and throat may swell up and close etc. Also, I keep aspirin just in case I begin to feel heart attack symptoms.
When you're ingesting or injecting different AAS compounds or ancilliaries that come from who knows where and can be cut with who knows what, you never know when you may have an allergic reaction or some other health issue. Even with pharmacy gear you can have an allergic reaction. So it's always a good idea to keep some emergency meds on hand. Anyway, hope everything goes nice and smooth! Just give it time.
lmfao,,
I was in the same boat as you a month ago,,, test e 500,,, except I front loaded , 2.5ml into my leg.....
never again,, I couldn't walk right or sit down right or anything for about 2 1\2 weeks,
than I tried subq just like u , in the belly,, got the balls as well , and two out of the 3 were painful ,, but they did go down and then away ,,,in about 1 wk and a half,,
got gso just like you , now my lats and delts are smooth as butter,,,,
if you are getting light headed or dizzy,or a fever,, id deff go see a doc,,
im not telling you to or not to ,, but mine did go away in time ,, and yes the one was painful to the touch for like 4 days,,,, sucks , stupid hurts,,,, now I really read up first just so that never happens again
Yeah that gso worked perfect. Are you mixing with each shot or did you mix in the vial? I bought 2 sterile vials to mix the other 9ml with 9ml gso