posted Tue, 06/25/2019 - 00:16
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Deca strictly for joint relief
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I want to keep this short and sweet. What is anyone's experience with using deca strictly for joints? What is the lowest effective dose to get the joint benefits?
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I’ve tried deca (100mg pw) for joint relief and I never saw a difference. I ran it a few times w/ my trt and all I got from it was paranoia, which I’ve never had before or since. It’s a hard pass!
we don't all respond the same to the compounds .. but you know that ;-)
basskiller89I just started adding Deca into my blast, doing 150mg twice a week to start, I'm going to evaluate how I feel around week 5 lol sweating already and I do actually feel a lot better. The weights feel smoother
Big in the powerlifting community a lot of guys run it during there cruise trt dose at around 100mg or more have a few friends who do 300 test 300 deca as there trt dosing and never complain! I prefer low dosages of deca in and around 300 mg purely for joint care
Have a couple power lifter friends that all day 100mg a week
Interesting. Deca is used at 1mg per pound of bodyweight for joint relief. Arethese guys 100 pounds? Lol seriously though. Therapeutic effects begin at that dose level. This is not bioscience. It's proven in medical posts and texts. The pl guys I hang with do it that way. 2 actually have a prescription that I called bullshit until I saw the script. Made me feel like half a jackass.
it is prescribed more than you think
I never thought to ask. I thought they slowed down on scripts but I am wrong. It will happen again too lol.
lol.. we are all sometime ... it's not the easiest script to get but can be gotten and usually given by docs who have done some studying up on it.
Why not buy something strictly for joint relief?
I know my reply has nothing to do with your question but after talking with a few members and reading a lot on the subject after an injury, I do not max out anymore, i do not train for strength either. Everything is moderate weight, slow and controlled and using a full range of motion. I try to rep to failure from 12 to 8 reps per set, trying to stretch each set from 45 to 65 seconds, getting as much out of the negative as i do the positive. My body has never felt better and I can get my muscles to grow on my TRT dose 150mg per week of test E with a proper diet.
Exactly how I workout, I don't ever max out I'll injury myself.. negative reps kill me with a pause and good squeeze
All day long KGP!
I find NPP @ 300mg/wk pretty effective - of course if you decide to go higher you also get all the added strength and elasticity with the water retention so I find its more a case of knowing where to stop rather than minimums as such lol
jayisk1,200 mgs deca dura a wk does the trick for me. can bench again without shoulder pain again..
Yes I can see that doing the trick hahaha I'd like to try the 1g Deca run but think it would be too much - I'm finding 700mg NPP enough for me atm. Great strength and water retention in the joints from it
EDIT: In fact thats great to hear man - now you can get back to some regular benching again
700 npp would probly be close to a gram of deca ibwould imagine as far as resukts and sides go. I think 600mg of deca is the highest i would use. And honestly dont need that much. I like running 200mg deca a week with a couple eod pins of npp with it. Kickstarts the nandro quickly and i start feeling the effects after about 10 days....
jayiskit feels great to be pain free again on the bench. just went with 1,200 mgs cause the deca is 300 mgs/ml. Never ran it higher that 500 mgs before. and i tried NPP for the first time last yr and ran that at 450 mgs wk.
NPP is great but i feel that deca dura is better for strength. no problems with holding water. with this heat i am sweating it all out.
Man I still can't believe about that Matt Porter Guy - If you watch the recent video's again though he's developed that same facial look as Dallas did hasn't he. Wonder if its down to the Tren or taboo? ...Its the big puffy eye sockets, white face & aged expression isn't it.
Don’t mean to jump in the middle of your convo but it’s def the taboo drug we can’t talk about in the open . I know a few guys using it right now an they look like walking corpses ... not worth it
No problem man! Wonder why it is that it causes that 'dead' faced look?
Proper Deca is Defo better for strength than NPP, literally always around the 5th week when it steams in for me so its just a case of binding your time till then. In terms of how you feel on them though the NPP wins hands down for feel good factor, deca I find can feel a bit rough at times.
I like them both equally ... deca makes me swell up though so I can only run in the summer when I can wear flip flops or sandals... something that my feet can stick out of....
Birkenstock’s. They suck at first but when they are broken in they are the best!!!
LOL .. yes but deca will make me look like a marshmallow ... barefoot is best .. ;-)
150mgs/week and my joints feeling good. Especially my shoulders are pain free now.
Using deca helps but it masks the pain. Learn to train and lift conservatively around your pain for longevity or your only going to make matters worse and ultimately reduce the years your able to train.. catch 22
Most guys got it covered below 100-200mg/wk should help you. But you really should look into TB 500 and try to solve the root cause of the problem. Avoid Winny!!!!!
RustyhookerAre your joints that bad? Just wondering have you checked e2 lately?
And deca masks injuries so the above is relevant to questions.
My joints are not bad, honestly the I thought of the question because everything I read about deca always mentions what it does for the joints, but it is always in the context of larger cycle doses. Really it was just curiosity more than anything.
RustyhookerThe guys hitting 100mg claim on cycle relief from added stresses of heavy lifts. When i was younger i could rep 700 leg press. As i got older i switched to 15 reps with pauses to get the pump with less stress. Switched my overall workouts so joints get time off too.
I asked about e2 because i just lowered mine during dryout of the ebc and joints did get dry, sore and poppy.
Deca, eq and var are noted as great ligament builders.
You said deca, eq and var are good for ligament builders. Are you meaning in the same cycle or separate? I was planning on adding some var with my deca, mk677 and bpc157 all are for healing purposes.
RustyhookerSeparately or together depending on cycle. But just throwing a huge cycle together then causes more problems that you had prior. Aka...the kitchen sink.
Hgh too is in there.... I dont know about or use peptides so im no help there :( .
6ft 200...depending on goals...test only at most with a full refridgerator. I dont advise 6ft tall dudes til naturally 215 minimum. High school linebackers at natty levels are 230 solid. Its not the gear bro...be safe
That's what I was thinking about deca and eq together because of hematocrit.
Ok I'm going to add var into my trt routine which after a bit I'm going to adjust it a bit
RustyhookerVar into trt regimine..... its methylated and can/will disrupt liver values. Get regular bloods.
Deca eq cycle just for ligaments? Or a smaller overall stack?
As far as anything coming up in blood work for my doctor I am not worried about that. He pulls blood every 4 months but basic panel literally. I get my blood for my cycles through labcorp. I've ran a few orals in the past but never var. Right now I'm planning what I want to add into my hrt protocol but yes the overall goal is gain mass lost during major part of injury and benefits in adding repair (I'm running bpc157 and mk677 as well)
RustyhookerEq alone makes a nice slow steady gain in mass. Deca can mask pain plus fast gains in strength, possible reinjury. Recovery can be a chore after injury.
100-200 mgs a week. I know guys who claim 100 is all they need from pharmacy deca and some that run 200. This is only if they’re making their living with their joints like professional wrestlers or football players. Not for your average gym rats aches and pains.
If you do decide to pursue this look up the potential cardiac risks associated. Deca is not kind to your left ventricle.
So for the occasional cycle with some deca is the cardiac risk the same or were you saying for running it lower doses with trt but for long periods of time?
My educated guess would be one or two low to moderate 2- 400mg week cycles wouldnt do much damage. But over the course of 10yrs???. Say you run a 14week deca cycle . Nandrolone will effect tissues for probly 16weeks at least. So times twice a year for 10years you have almost 320 weeks of time on deca. Id say that many years on deca would cause heart issues for sure.
I wish I was smart enough to tell you how much risk was associated with how many mgs for how much time.
Can’t do it.
More mgs longer = more risk, I know that much though.
Ok I appreciate the response. The reason I ask is I've ran npp twice in the past and going to run low dose deca and lower dose npp in the beginning for a little bit.
regardless what your using it for dude joint relief, muscle building or what ever, It will shut you down all the same.